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95 Ram V8 sucking antifreeze/overheating?

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Japhar81 - 14 Sep 2004 23:52 GMT
All,
I have a 95 Ram 2500, V8 Magnum, about 120k miles.. About two weeks ago, the
temp gauge went nuts and almost redlined. I found my coolant reservoir
almost empty. I topped off the radiator and the reservoir (while engine was
dead-cold), and everything was peachy again.

Today (2 weeks later), the temp was fine this morning, but on my way home
(20 mile drive), spiked again, and I found the reservoir empty. I dont think
its leaking, i didnt see any drippage or anything after it sat a full night
in the driveway, but then again, antifreeze evaporates pretty quick...
Anyone have any thoughts before I take it to a dealer? Hell, even if I need
to take it in, I'd like to have something useful to tell them...

Help!
RamMan@dodgecity.cc - 14 Sep 2004 23:57 GMT
Blown head gasket. Get out your checkbook.

>All,
>I have a 95 Ram 2500, V8 Magnum, about 120k miles.. About two weeks ago, the
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>Help!
Japhar81 - 15 Sep 2004 00:08 GMT
How do you know? And what does that usually cost?

> Blown head gasket. Get out your checkbook.
>
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>>Help!
Roy - 15 Sep 2004 00:14 GMT
> How do you know? And what does that usually cost?
>
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>>>Help!

Have you checked your oil level?

Roy
Japhar81 - 15 Sep 2004 00:19 GMT
Yeah, it was normal last time it overheated 2 weeks ago. Today, it seems to
be at the exact same level, but its dark, and I'm using a flashlight. Will
double-check tomorrow in the am when the sun is out. I also didn't notice
any oil in the reservoir... Maybe the temp. sensor gasket is leaking?

>> How do you know? And what does that usually cost?
>>
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> Roy
Miles - 15 Sep 2004 01:29 GMT
> Yeah, it was normal last time it overheated 2 weeks ago. Today, it seems to
> be at the exact same level, but its dark, and I'm using a flashlight. Will
> double-check tomorrow in the am when the sun is out. I also didn't notice
> any oil in the reservoir... Maybe the temp. sensor gasket is leaking?

Check your oil for coolant in it.
Japhar81 - 15 Sep 2004 01:29 GMT
how???

>> Yeah, it was normal last time it overheated 2 weeks ago. Today, it seems
>> to be at the exact same level, but its dark, and I'm using a flashlight.
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> Check your oil for coolant in it.
RamMan@dodgecity.cc - 15 Sep 2004 01:51 GMT
Typically your oil will show way overfull on the dipstick. You may also
see water droplets on the oil that shows on the dipstick.

>how???
>
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>> Check your oil for coolant in it.
Japhar81 - 15 Sep 2004 03:16 GMT
Still shows well below the top of the 'safe' zone, right about where it was
last time it overheated and I looked at it...

> Typically your oil will show way overfull on the dipstick. You may also
> see water droplets on the oil that shows on the dipstick.
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>>> Check your oil for coolant in it.
GMAN - 15 Sep 2004 04:13 GMT
>Still shows well below the top of the 'safe' zone, right about where it was
>last time it overheated and I looked at it...

It could also be a leaky hose or bad water pump

>> Typically your oil will show way overfull on the dipstick. You may also
>> see water droplets on the oil that shows on the dipstick.
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>>>> Check your oil for coolant in it.
GMAN - 15 Sep 2004 04:12 GMT
>Typically your oil will show way overfull on the dipstick. You may also
>see water droplets on the oil that shows on the dipstick.

It will appear very foamy.

>>how???
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>>> Check your oil for coolant in it.
Miles - 15 Sep 2004 01:51 GMT
Couple ways.  Look at the oil on your dip stick.  If its cloudy, milky
or gray colored you've got water/coolant in it.  Run the engine for a
minute then shut off and take the oil fill cap off the valve cover and
look down in.  Again, if water is in the oil it will look murky.  Your
oil level may appear to rise too.

> how???
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>>Check your oil for coolant in it.
Japhar81 - 15 Sep 2004 03:17 GMT
Still shows well below the top of the 'safe' zone, right about where it was
last time it overheated and I looked at it... Looked inside the cap, looks
like brown oil to me, same on the dipstick, but I'm no expert. Both look
like what I see on my mustang (popped the hood for comparisson).

> Couple ways.  Look at the oil on your dip stick.  If its cloudy, milky or
> gray colored you've got water/coolant in it.  Run the engine for a minute
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>>>Check your oil for coolant in it.
TBone - 15 Sep 2004 02:01 GMT
If it had coolant in it there would be foam in the oil ad your oil level
would be getting higher.  Do you smell antifreeze ever?  The antifreeze has
to be going somewhere.  When was the last time it was changed?  You might
also want to park the truck on cardboard after a long run and look the next
day for wet spots.

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> how???
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> > Check your oil for coolant in it.
Japhar81 - 15 Sep 2004 03:19 GMT
No foam in the oil, and the level hasnt gone up. Never smell antifreeze. No
clue when it was last flushed, I've only had it for about 2k miles (warranty
expired after 1k:-/), but I put in a full 2 jugs of 50/50 when it overheated
last time, so I'm guessing it was damn-near empty.

I'd love to park it on cardboard, but its raining... I'll try it this
weekend if it clears up.

> If it had coolant in it there would be foam in the oil ad your oil level
> would be getting higher.  Do you smell antifreeze ever?  The antifreeze
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>> > Check your oil for coolant in it.
GMAN - 15 Sep 2004 04:11 GMT
>How do you know? And what does that usually cost?

Check your oil. If its nice and frothy and foamy, you have ablown head gasket
and damn well might have ruined your engine. At the very least do not drive
it,  have it towed to a dealer for a pricy head gasket repair.

>> Blown head gasket. Get out your checkbook.
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>>>Help!
Bob M - 15 Sep 2004 19:25 GMT
> All,
> I have a 95 Ram 2500, V8 Magnum, about 120k miles.. About two weeks ago, the
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> Help!

Water pump leaking? My parents 98 Olds was doing this a month ago and
it was a bad water pump.

Bob
Paul Johnson - 15 Sep 2004 19:49 GMT
My '95 Ram V-10 was losing antifreeze over a period of time and I couldn't
find any problem.  Dealer first told me it was evaporating.  Finally they
ran a careful check and found that the radiator was defective- was leaking
while I drove, but not while sitting (out of warranty).    I believe it was
a cracked tank.  I don't know whether that was because of a "hidden
warranty" issue or whether they felt responsible for blowing me off while it
was under warranty.  The Shop Manager did call Chrysler to get permission to
do the no-charge job.
Paul Johnson
Japhar81 - 15 Sep 2004 20:13 GMT
I just spoke to a mechanic at the dodge dealer, he told me it was probably
an air bubble and I should try to get that out (run w/cap off, heat on)
before bringing it in... Guess I'll try that tonight.

H

> All,
> I have a 95 Ram 2500, V8 Magnum, about 120k miles.. About two weeks ago,
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> Help!
Steve@carolinabreezehvac - 15 Sep 2004 20:48 GMT
> I just spoke to a mechanic at the dodge dealer, he told me it was probably
> an air bubble and I should try to get that out (run w/cap off, heat on)
> before bringing it in... Guess I'll try that tonight.
>
> H

If its like mine, there is a banjo type screw, or a hex head screw that you
loosen on the thermostat housing to remove any air...
You really dont want to drive around with the cap off...

Oh...and Antifreeze does not evaporate....its oil based...

> > All,
> > I have a 95 Ram 2500, V8 Magnum, about 120k miles.. About two weeks ago,
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> > Help!
Japhar81 - 16 Sep 2004 02:41 GMT
Ok, so I bled the air out of the radiator -- there was definately a bubble
in there, a big one. Other things to note, that may help troubleshoot...

After running the engine for a good 30 minutes, including a very short drive
around the block, the front of the radiator is totally cool to the touch.
Maybe I didn't run it enough to feel the heat.

The fan works, and blows a ton of air, but the arrow did creep very slightly
lower at speed. It also creeped a hair lower when I revved it in neutral.
I'm accounting the first to air movement over the radiator, the second to
higher pressure from the water pump, but what do I know..

Someone also mentioned loosening the hex screw on the cap to let air out,
but since I bled it by starting/stopping the engine with the heat on full
bore, and filling up when the level dropped significantly, do I still need
to?

The temp is now stable at 200 where it always is, but does that mean its
fixed? Is it safe to drive?

> All,
> I have a 95 Ram 2500, V8 Magnum, about 120k miles.. About two weeks ago,
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> Help!
55chevy210 - 16 Sep 2004 04:05 GMT
has the water pump ever been changed out?  especially to an after-market
one?

> Ok, so I bled the air out of the radiator -- there was definately a bubble
> in there, a big one. Other things to note, that may help troubleshoot...
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>> Help!
Japhar81 - 16 Sep 2004 15:41 GMT
I have no clue -- I'm not the original owner. This morning, the coolant
level had dropped about 1/3rd of the overflow bottle.
> has the water pump ever been changed out?  especially to an after-market
> one?
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>>> Help!
Roy - 16 Sep 2004 23:01 GMT
>I have no clue -- I'm not the original owner. This morning, the coolant
>level had dropped about 1/3rd of the overflow bottle.

WTF!! Get the damn thing pressure tested before you damage it. This has been
going on how long? A couple of weeks?
Steve@carolinabreezehvac - 16 Sep 2004 23:04 GMT
> >I have no clue -- I'm not the original owner. This morning, the coolant
> >level had dropped about 1/3rd of the overflow bottle.
>
> WTF!! Get the damn thing pressure tested before you damage it. This has been
> going on how long? A couple of weeks?

Second that...it is foolish to continue to drive if you know somethings
wrong.
Hey..thats  a loaded gun....wanna play russian roulette?
Japhar81 - 16 Sep 2004 23:38 GMT
I'm not driving it -- its just sitting in the driveway. After sitting 12
hours, the level had dropped, dont know why. Its going to the mechanic in
the morning.

H

>> >I have no clue -- I'm not the original owner. This morning, the coolant
>> >level had dropped about 1/3rd of the overflow bottle.
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> wrong.
> Hey..thats  a loaded gun....wanna play russian roulette?
DudLee Brennfoerder - 30 Sep 2004 02:01 GMT
Have you considered the intake gasket;
the '97-'98s had a problem - I have changed 2
in the 4 98's Ive owned; and the 96 never pulled anything;
and they said the 2000's would have had the problem fixed.

Seldom smelled antifreeze
oil clean
never dripped when parked
always a little low on af
and they ran a little warmer at the time

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Brennfoerder
Edgar, NE 68935

> I'm not driving it -- its just sitting in the driveway. After sitting 12
> hours, the level had dropped, dont know why. Its going to the mechanic in
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> > Hey..thats  a loaded gun....wanna play russian roulette?
maxpower - 07 Oct 2004 10:49 GMT
Antifreeze does not evaporate quick!!! if you are loosin coolant and cant
see where it is going  you may have a blown head gasket or even intake
gasket sucking coolant thru the engine and out the tail pipe

Glenn
Chrysler Tech
> All,
> I have a 95 Ram 2500, V8 Magnum, about 120k miles.. About two weeks ago, the
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> Help!
RamMan@dodgecity.cc - 09 Oct 2004 02:49 GMT
I think the term "may have" is being a little optimistic. In my experience
I'd say your symptoms are pretty classic for a blown head gasket, almost a
certainty. I'd say the odds of it are 10:1.

Hopefully the cylinder head isn't warped.

Unless you are capable of doing it yourself and have access to the tools
(i.e., a torque wrench) you're probably looking at a major cost repair,
(easily several hundred). You'll also need to determine (and fix) whatever
caused it. This may be one of those "chicken or the egg" questions. The
most common cause of a blown head gasket is overheating, i.e., running it
out of coolant, stuck thermostat, etc. Adding cold water to an overheated
engine that's boiled itself dry can also warp the block or head and
possibly result in a blown head gasket.

>Antifreeze does not evaporate quick!!! if you are loosin coolant and cant
>see where it is going  you may have a blown head gasket or even intake
>gasket sucking coolant thru the engine and out the tail pipe
saggman54 - 15 Nov 2004 05:25 GMT
try replacing the radiator caps, the new engines run hotter and could be
blowing the coolant out as you go down the freeway... not when sitting, had
this happen three times to my girlfriends car before I figured it out. also
I've seen that orange antifreeze look frothy, anyway I replaced the cap on
the reservoir (this system had no cap on the radiator) and the coolant loss
and overheating dissappeared. cheap enough to try before going to the shop
saggman54

All,
I have a 95 Ram 2500, V8 Magnum, about 120k miles.. About two weeks ago, the
temp gauge went nuts and almost redlined. I found my coolant reservoir
almost empty. I topped off the radiator and the reservoir (while engine was
dead-cold), and everything was peachy again.

Today (2 weeks later), the temp was fine this morning, but on my way home
(20 mile drive), spiked again, and I found the reservoir empty. I dont think
its leaking, i didnt see any drippage or anything after it sat a full night
in the driveway, but then again, antifreeze evaporates pretty quick...
Anyone have any thoughts before I take it to a dealer? Hell, even if I need
to take it in, I'd like to have something useful to tell them...

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