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97 3.3 Vacuum & fuel pressure

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Kevin - 07 Aug 2006 20:13 GMT
On a 97 3.3 (with 150K miles) what should the vacuum reading be at idle? It
is running at 15" at idle. It is a steady reading. It goes to 0" at full
throttle, then to 20" on throttle closing and leveling off at 15" idling.

The fuel pressure is 50 PSI with vacuum hose hooked up and 60 PSI with
vacuum hose unhooked. Specs are 46 PSI & 55 PSI. I can put a external vacuum
on the fuel regulator and it goes to 46 PSI.

Is the vacuum low enough that it is not allowing the fuel regulator to work?

Kevin

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maxpower - 07 Aug 2006 20:31 GMT
> On a 97 3.3 (with 150K miles) what should the vacuum reading be at idle? It
> is running at 15" at idle. It is a steady reading. It goes to 0" at full
> throttle, then to 20" on throttle closing and leveling off at 15" idling.

A minimum of 17"

> The fuel pressure is 50 PSI with vacuum hose hooked up and 60 PSI with
> vacuum hose unhooked. Specs are 46 PSI & 55 PSI. I can put a external vacuum
> on the fuel regulator and it goes to 46 PSI.
>
> Is the vacuum low enough that it is not allowing the fuel regulator to work?

What is the problem with you vehicle??????

Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech

> Kevin
Kevin - 09 Aug 2006 12:48 GMT
>> On a 97 3.3 (with 150K miles) what should the vacuum reading be at idle?
> It
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> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech

It will lose power at times. It act like it runs out of gas(or flooding?),
but if you push the accelerator all the way to the floor it will take off.
It may do this three or four times and then start running perfect. I thought
the fuel regulator was acting up, so I unhooked and plugged the vacuum going
to it. It acted up a lot more. I thought I would not make it 1 mile from my
house, but after the first mile it ran fine. I plugged the vacuum hose back
in. I do not know for sure if that caused it to act up. I do not know if the
higher fuel pressure caused the problem. At idle the fuel pressure is high.
With an external vacuum source the pressure goes back to specs.

If the fuel pressure is high will it cause the engine to run too rich? It
seem there is a lot of black soot in the tail pipe. It may be normal.

I do not think the AIC valve is working. When the AC compressor turns on the
vacuum drops. I do not see much drop on the dash RPM gauge. Some times it
will die at idle. I replaced the AIC valve with no change in problems.

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maxpower - 09 Aug 2006 20:26 GMT
> >> On a 97 3.3 (with 150K miles) what should the vacuum reading be at idle?
> > It
> >> is running at 15" at idle. It is a steady reading. It goes to 0" at full
> >> throttle, then to 20" on throttle closing and leveling off at 15" idling.

There is your first problem. find out why you dont have much vacuum and you
will fix the problem

> > A minimum of 17"
> >>
> >> The fuel pressure is 50 PSI with vacuum hose hooked up and 60 PSI with
> >> vacuum hose unhooked. Specs are 46 PSI & 55 PSI. I can put a external
> > vacuum
> >> on the fuel regulator and it goes to 46 PSI.

Thats normal and good pressure, forget about fuel pressure or volume

> >> Is the vacuum low enough that it is not allowing the fuel regulator to
> > work?

The map sensor determines the load on the engine ok? The map sensor wants to
see at least 17" of vacuum at idle. if it see's this it tells the PCM that
we are at idle. If the map sensor see's 15" at idle it now thinks that the
engine is under a load. When the engine is under a load you loose vacuum. So
now the map sensor tells the PCM to keep the injectors open longer for more
fuel to enter the engine to compensate for the load (which there is no load
because it is at idle).
Go back to basic's, check timing and all the rest of those good things that
make an engine run. Does this thing have EGR? what vehicle is this?

> > What is the problem with you vehicle??????
> >
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> If the fuel pressure is high will it cause the engine to run too rich? It
> seem there is a lot of black soot in the tail pipe. It may be normal.\

Forget fuel pressure, thats all good (assuming you are checking it when the
problem is happening and it isnt an intermittent fuel pump problem

> I do not think the AIC valve is working. When the AC compressor turns on the
> vacuum drops. I do not see much drop on the dash RPM gauge. Some times it
> will die at idle. I replaced the AIC valve with no change in problems.

You need to find out where your vacuum is going

Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech
Kevin - 09 Aug 2006 21:25 GMT
>> >> On a 97 3.3 (with 150K miles) what should the vacuum reading be at
> idle?
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> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech

When I started it today the check engine light came on. With the key method
I got codes 12 61 55. I had the codes pulled with a Sun meter and got P106.
Also it said somthing about the Baro switch. The Sun meter said there was a
vacuum of 18 hg at idle. My vacuum gauge must be off.

Kevin

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maxpower - 10 Aug 2006 00:16 GMT
> >> >> On a 97 3.3 (with 150K miles) what should the vacuum reading be at
> > idle?
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> Kevin

Those numbers aren't any good
 
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