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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Cars / October 2007

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04 PT Cruiser Stalling problem

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pcm2a - 30 Sep 2007 03:14 GMT
Good evening all!

I drove my 04 PT Turbo/GT with 42k miles around all day today with no
problems.  This evening I backed it out of the garage and stepped on the gas
and it stalled.

At idle the car sounds great and idles at the normal 1k.
At all times it smells like burning gas coming out the exhaust.

If you give the car half gas (what i would consider normal to start moving)
the RPM will go down to 0 and the car will stall

If you give the car a tiny amount of gas the RPM will drop a little and the
car will drive forward.
If you continue to only give it light gas you can get the speed up to normal
driving speed and you still smell the burning gas.
If you are driving normal speed and press the gas down to accererate at a
normal amount you hear some crazy rattling up at the engine.  Sounds like
rocks in a can.

If you put the car in reverse everything seems perfectly normal.

Temperature is in the normal range.

I did fill up earlier on today, could I have gotten some bad gas?  Should i
run it till it runs out of gas and try putting new gas in the vehicle or is
that a waste of time?

Thanks!
maxpower - 30 Sep 2007 11:35 GMT
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With all this going on and the check engine lite isn't on?

Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech
pcm2a - 30 Sep 2007 16:12 GMT
Yes, that is what upsets me quite a bit is that the light has not came on as
of yet.  With the light on I could just read the code at autozone and see
whats wrong I guess.  I wondered if a bad tank of gas could somehow cause
these symptoms but not cause the light to come on.  Only way I know to get
the gas out would be to run it at idle for a while though.

> With all this going on and the check engine lite isn't on?
>
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech
maxpower - 30 Sep 2007 22:44 GMT
> Yes, that is what upsets me quite a bit is that the light has not came on as
> of yet.  With the light on I could just read the code at autozone and see
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> > Chrysler Tech

You may just be experiencing an engine misfire due to a bad plug or wire.
The next time drive the vehicle get it hot (operating temp) drive the car
about 45 mph and kick it down to 2nd gear and let it coast with foot off the
brake and gas pedal for 15 seconds. restart the engine and drive it to see
if the check engine lamp comes on and sets a fault code. If the adaptive
numerator is not learned the PCM will never set the check engine lite on for
a misfire. Let me know what you get.

Glenn
Bob M - 30 Sep 2007 17:32 GMT
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 Just a guess but it sounds like you have water in the fuel.

Bob
pcm2a - 30 Sep 2007 18:17 GMT
I was wanting to try to drain all the fuel out but I assume that you cannot
siphon from where you pump the fuel in.  I looked under at the gas tank and
I can see where the hose connects to the middle of the gas tank.  If I
disconnect the rubber hose there would I be able to siphon all of the gas
out?

Even if it doesnt help at all it would be cheaper to lose $30 in gas than
pay the $50 fee at the local shop to see whats wrong.

--Cameron

>  Just a guess but it sounds like you have water in the fuel.
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> Bob
pcm2a - 01 Oct 2007 13:32 GMT
I'm excited to report that I took the fuel hose off the side of the gas tank
and drained 12 gallons of gas out of the tank (took forever).  In each few
gallon bucket that I would empty out I would notice a section of totally
clear water pouring out of the bucket.  After draining all of the gas out, I
filled the PT up with 4 gallons of 93 grade.

Now when I start the car it fired right up with a little sputter.  The first
time i stepped on the gas instead of the car dying it went from about 1200
rpm to 800rpm and then started moving normally.  I drove around the block
several times and everything seemed to clear up nicely.  I put in a bottle
of water remover and a bottle of fuel line cleaner and put some more 93
grade gas in it.  This morning I only noticed a sputter one time and that
was when I was accelerating to get on the interstate.  The car also fired up
perfectly this morning.

I called Mapco to complain about the water in my gas but they said they have
special equipment that monitors for that and such things were impossible.
Liars.

At least Mapco's mistake only cost me about $40.

>I was wanting to try to drain all the fuel out but I assume that you cannot
>siphon from where you pump the fuel in.  I looked under at the gas tank and
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>> Bob
Bob M - 01 Oct 2007 15:58 GMT
> I'm excited to report that I took the fuel hose off the side of the gas tank
> and drained 12 gallons of gas out of the tank (took forever).  In each few
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>>> Bob

 I'm glad you got it fixed. I would still report it to the proper
authorities because I am sure you are not the only person this has
happened to. You might even get your money back.

Bob
maxpower - 01 Oct 2007 18:34 GMT
> I'm excited to report that I took the fuel hose off the side of the gas tank
> and drained 12 gallons of gas out of the tank (took forever).  In each few
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> >> Bob

The engine lite should have still come on!! One more thing, it isn't a good
idea to burn high octane fuel in an engine that requires low octane, it can
and will cause drivability problems in the long run if you keep using it.

Glenn
pcm2a - 01 Oct 2007 20:50 GMT
I normally have been putting 89 grade in the PT.  If I put 87 grade I hear
some pinging sometime.  Do you recomend sticking with 89?

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> The engine lite should have still come on!! One more thing, it isn't a
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maxpower - 02 Oct 2007 00:06 GMT
> I normally have been putting 89 grade in the PT.  If I put 87 grade I hear
> some pinging sometime.  Do you recomend sticking with 89?
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> > Glenn

87 octane. a slight ping will not cause damage. The use of a higher octane
fuel may cause carbon deposits on the pistons and this could cause the
engine to ping.

Glenn
pcm2a - 02 Oct 2007 14:07 GMT
Big sticker on the inside of the fuel door also says "premium fuel only".

>> I normally have been putting 89 grade in the PT.  If I put 87 grade I
>> hear
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> Glenn
maxpower - 02 Oct 2007 19:36 GMT
> Big sticker on the inside of the fuel door also says "premium fuel only".
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My bad, The thread did not carry over the Turbo engine. Turbos will take a
high octane fuel ,do not use 87 on the turbo. I looked up the standard 2.4
litre

Glenn
Bob M - 02 Oct 2007 17:48 GMT
>> I'm excited to report that I took the fuel hose off the side of the gas
> tank
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> Glenn

 I agree it should have but it didn't.

Bob
~Mike Hollywood - 09 Oct 2007 16:35 GMT
I had the same problem with a Miata.
The drain line was clogged that drains water out of the
cavity that houses the gas filler housing.  You could see if your car's
rain/water drain is clear.
Mike

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> Thanks!
 
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