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personalcheeseit - 23 Nov 2007 01:12 GMT
I have a 2000 Neon. I feel that it is too slow. It handles great, it
just can't keep up with my driving. I have to go to WOT way too
often.It also only goes 118mph, It takes me almost an hour longer to
get back and forth to work. I bought it after some dumptruck driven by
an intoxicated man without a CDL creamed my old Dynasty.

To get to the point, I want to swap my 3.3L and 7AOD into my Neon. I
never had to WOT the Dynasty, it was quick enough at about half
throttle. Now, I THINK it will fit under the hood. I also know that
I'll have to make new mounts but, what about the cooling, electronics,
steering, and suspension. I COULD do a whole new wiring harness, I
know how, but that would be a pain. Plumbing a radiator isn't a big
deal either. I am greatly lacking in knowledge of steering and
suspension. I do like the Neons handling, and the Dynasty flopped
around the corners like a dead fish. If I can keep the steering and
suspension the way it is, I will. I've heard of an autostick
conversion for the 3.3 and would like to have a stickshift Neon. Is
there any extra work for that? How much work? If it is too much I'll
just go Automatic. The other thing is Can I move the 7AOD shifter to
the floor?

thanks in advance
maxpower - 23 Nov 2007 01:31 GMT
> I have a 2000 Neon. I feel that it is too slow. It handles great, it
> just can't keep up with my driving. I have to go to WOT way too
> often.It also only goes 118mph, It takes me almost an hour longer to
> get back and forth to work. I bought it after some dumptruck driven by
> an intoxicated man without a CDL creamed my old Dynasty.

"Yawn"

> To get to the point, I want to swap my 3.3L and 7AOD into my Neon. I
> never had to WOT the Dynasty, it was quick enough at about half
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>
> thanks in advance

You got to much time on your hands
personalcheeseit - 23 Nov 2007 03:15 GMT
> > I have a 2000 Neon. I feel that it is too slow. It handles great, it
> > just can't keep up with my driving. I have to go to WOT way too
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>
> You got to much time on your hands

No, I need that extra hour back from the slower car, I can take 2 days
off work to swap the motor, but that'll save me an hour almost every
day. I used to hit 130 on the interstate in my Dynasty. I want my hour
back. I'd like to not to give up my Neon because it handles great, but
I really want my hour back. As much as the Autostick - I'd love a
stick shift. Have you driven stick? I have and I don't like Autos
much. The shifter needs to be on the floor so I don't have to replace
the steering column. That's time I don't want to spend.

Just so you know, right now I'm on break at work, eating my only meal
today, smoking my first cigarette of the day and checking my email and
posts. I don't have too much time on my hands.
damnnickname - 23 Nov 2007 12:14 GMT
Your Dynasty wont go that fast, the PCM is programmed to shut fuel off at
114 MPH. Try again

Glenn

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personalcheeseit - 27 Nov 2007 11:08 GMT
> Your Dynasty wont go that fast, the PCM is programmed to shut fuel off at
> 114 MPH. Try again
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Did I ever say it wasn't reflashed?
maxpower - 27 Nov 2007 22:30 GMT
> > Your Dynasty wont go that fast, the PCM is programmed to shut fuel off at
> > 114 MPH. Try again
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>
> Did I ever say it wasn't reflashed?

You didn't have to!! a flash will/willnot make the vehicle run over 114
mph.. Your vehicle flat out could not go over the 114 mile cut out PERIOD!!
Go find another newsgroup to post your bullshit stories
personalcheeseit - 29 Nov 2007 19:52 GMT
> > > Your Dynasty wont go that fast, the PCM is programmed to shut fuel off
> at
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> mph.. Your vehicle flat out could not go over the 114 mile cut out PERIOD!!
> Go find another newsgroup to post your bullshit stories

Were you riding with me when the needle was buried? Nope. So unless
you actually rode with me, don't say that my car couldn't do it. I
know what I saw.
Dan C - 29 Nov 2007 21:35 GMT
>> You didn't have to!! a flash will/willnot make the vehicle run over 114
>> mph.. Your vehicle flat out could not go over the 114 mile cut out PERIOD!!
>> Go find another newsgroup to post your bullshit stories

> Were you riding with me when the needle was buried? Nope. So unless
> you actually rode with me, don't say that my car couldn't do it. I
> know what I saw.

You're full of sh.t.  f.ck off and troll somewhere else, punk.

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clare at snyder.on.ca - 30 Nov 2007 21:15 GMT
>>> You didn't have to!! a flash will/willnot make the vehicle run over 114
>>> mph.. Your vehicle flat out could not go over the 114 mile cut out PERIOD!!
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>
>You're full of sh.t.  f.ck off and troll somewhere else, punk.

Well I KNOW a 170 cu inch 1963 valliant can bury the needle when
properly set up. I've done it and also seen 206HP at the rear wheels
on the Dyno.
And that's no BS.

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maxpower - 30 Nov 2007 21:33 GMT
> >>> You didn't have to!! a flash will/willnot make the vehicle run over 114
> >>> mph.. Your vehicle flat out could not go over the 114 mile cut out PERIOD!!
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> on the Dyno.
> And that's no BS.

We are talking about a computerized vehicle that is  programmed to only go a
Max MPH. It shuts down when it reaches the set MPH
clare at snyder.on.ca - 30 Nov 2007 22:29 GMT
>> >>> You didn't have to!! a flash will/willnot make the vehicle run over
>114
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>We are talking about a computerized vehicle that is  programmed to only go a
>Max MPH. It shuts down when it reaches the set MPH

Unless that is suppressed in the programming. Done all the time on
Neons. Export calibration chip does not have the speed limiter enabled
from the factory.Dealers can get theinformation and equipment to
reprogram for race use as well. Every "sedan racer" will have it
disabled (SCCA showroom stock)

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maxpower - 01 Dec 2007 01:26 GMT
> >> >>> You didn't have to!! a flash will/willnot make the vehicle run over
> >114
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> reprogram for race use as well. Every "sedan racer" will have it
> disabled (SCCA showroom stock)

Chrysler Does sell high performance engine controllers on alot of the trucks
and sporty vehicles, the Dynasty did not have that option nor did the OP
specify any after market modules
Dan C - 23 Nov 2007 14:05 GMT
> I have a 2000 Neon. I feel that it is too slow. It handles great, it

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Vaughn - 24 Nov 2007 01:00 GMT
Why don't you dump the Neon and get a Charger R/T with the R/T package?
It can go 150MPH and way better on gas than the gutless 3.3L.

>I have a 2000 Neon. I feel that it is too slow. It handles great, it
> just can't keep up with my driving. I have to go to WOT way too
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>
> thanks in advance
itsgerrksucka@gmail.com - 24 Nov 2007 02:49 GMT
okay, now that everyone has done their fair share of griping and
naysaying instead of actually HELPING you with your project, however
grandoise, it's a pretty cool idea.
i had a 1992 chrysler lebaron, and FOR A GRANNY CAR, it was a bad
bitch, also coincidentally, i now drive an 01 neon SE, which ive
extensively modified for autocross.

im not much on the mechanical department, but i'm pretty good with
suspension.
and this project is gonna take ALOT of suspension work
consider this:
the neon already has roughly 65% of its overall weight in the front
end, slap in a heavy a.s older six cylinder motor, and your gonna have
the most tail-happy car on the road.

first things first
your gonna need to stabilize the chassis and weigh down the rear a bit
heres my recommendations, and i tried to keep it cost effective while
keeping performance in mind cus i dont know what kind of budget your
working with

-24mm Progress Technology front and rear Anti-Roll Bars[$200 @
streetbeatcustoms.com]
-Tokico HP (Non-Adjustable) Performance Shocks/Springs Suspension
Kit[$400 @ racinglab.com]
-eibach pro-alignment & camber kit[$30 @drivewire.com]
-Energy Suspension HyperFlex Master Kit [$100 @
energysuspensionparts.com]
-vibrant performance strut tower brace[$60 @ jcwhitney.com]
-TTI Racing lower control arm brace
-GET NEW ROAD RACING STYLE OIL PAN BEFORE GETTIN LOOSE AROUND CORNERS!
-BIG f.cking BRAKES!!!!!!

now that you've got that worked out, simply bolting down some lead
weights in your trunk should settle your weight distribution issues

take your car to a weigh station before installing the engine block,
and then take it in afterwards. then subtract the original weight from
your new weight, and put a little under that amount of weight in the
trunk

i also recommend using the biggest radiator you can fit in there and
getting a nice air intake and intake manifold
personalcheeseit - 27 Nov 2007 11:13 GMT
On Nov 23, 9:49 pm, itsgerrksu...@gmail.com wrote:
> okay, now that everyone has done their fair share of griping and
> naysaying instead of actually HELPING you with your project, however
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> i also recommend using the biggest radiator you can fit in there and
> getting a nice air intake and intake manifold

Thank you for actually answering my questions my parts budget is
around 2500 so what you said is great I'm going to try to order it
this week
Ron Seiden - 24 Nov 2007 04:53 GMT
Ultimately do-able, but the cost may well make it more reasonable to just
buy a different car that already has the power & handling you want.
On the other hand, your project car would make a hell of a "sleeper"...

>I have a 2000 Neon. I feel that it is too slow. It handles great, it
> just can't keep up with my driving. I have to go to WOT way too
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>
> thanks in advance
Gyzmologist - 03 Dec 2007 14:44 GMT
> I have a 2000 Neon. I feel that it is too slow. It handles great, it
> just can't keep up with my driving. I have to go to WOT way too
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> thanks in advance

This is absurd, but it's your money. A 2.0L turbo could put out far more
HP than the 3.3L, get better mileage, and will fit the car with little
or no mods. More of your $2500 budget would be used to make your Neon
really fast.
 
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