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Car Forum / Dodge / Dodge Cars / January 2009Grand Voyager Brakes
Has anybody had, or have problems with the front brakes on a Plymouth Grand Voyager (mine is a 1996). I have had to replace the pads about 7 times, the rotors 3 times, and the calipers 3 times. For good measure I have replaced the Master cylinder, and the rear wheel cylinders. The rear brakes show little wear. I have 150,000 miles on it, and purchased it with just under 100,000 miles. >Has anybody had, or have problems with the front brakes on a Plymouth Grand >Voyager (mine is a 1996). I have had to replace the pads about 7 times, the >rotors 3 times, and the calipers 3 times. For good measure I have replaced >the Master cylinder, and the rear wheel cylinders. The rear brakes show >little wear. I have 150,000 miles on it, and purchased it with just under >100,000 miles. 7 front pad changes in 50K miles, but you've never replaced the rear pads? Perhaps the f/r brake force balancer is kaput and all the stopping force is coming from the fronts? >>Has anybody had, or have problems with the front brakes on a Plymouth Grand >>Voyager (mine is a 1996). I have had to replace the pads about 7 times, the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Perhaps the f/r brake force balancer is kaput and all the stopping force is >coming from the fronts? The stopping IS done by the front - not at ALL unheard of for the rears to outlast the fronts 4:1. >>>Has anybody had, or have problems with the front brakes on a Plymouth Grand >>>Voyager (mine is a 1996). I have had to replace the pads about 7 times, the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >The stopping IS done by the front - not at ALL unheard of for the >rears to outlast the fronts 4:1. Um, he said he's had 7 front pad changes, but little wear on the rears. Sounds closer to infinity:1 You never heard of the brake force distribution valve failing, then? >>>>Has anybody had, or have problems with the front brakes on a Plymouth Grand >>>>Voyager (mine is a 1996). I have had to replace the pads about 7 times, the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >You never heard of the brake force distribution valve failing, then? Is none on most current vehicles, and would not have that effect if it did and it did fail. In 50,000 miles he should have worn less than 1/4 of the rear brakes, and 2 sets of pads and one set of rotors under normal use with factory parts.. If tha caliper slider mechanisms seize up he'l take the pads off one side of the rotor real quick. I suspect he needs to have a knowlegeable brake mechanic go over the vehicle to dtermine why he is so hard on brake parts. Either that or he needs to learn to drive an automatic vehicle with one foot. 2 foot driving will have the effect on brakes that he is experiencing. >Has anybody had, or have problems with the front brakes on a Plymouth Grand >Voyager (mine is a 1996). I have had to replace the pads about 7 times, the >rotors 3 times, and the calipers 3 times. For good measure I have replaced >the Master cylinder, and the rear wheel cylinders. The rear brakes show >little wear. I have 150,000 miles on it, and purchased it with just under >100,000 miles. What kind of problems, where do you live, and who's replacing the parts with what quality? If you live in the salt belt and use iron metallic pads, and particularly if the vehicle is not heavily used, you WILL replace pads and rotors regularly - rotors before the pads are worn. Use ceramic or aramid (Kevlar) pads and the rotors will last a lot longer. Carbon Metallics worked good for me on the Aerostar (which couldn't stop worth crap with the factory brakes, and needed rotors about evey 13 months) On the Mystique I'm running EBS Green (Kevlar) pads with excellent results. My 1988 New Yorker (same brakes as the grand caravan) and the 1998 Neon were not hard on brakes with non-metallic pads. I'm in the middle of the "salt belt" of Central Ontario. > Has anybody had, or have problems with the front brakes on a Plymouth Grand > Voyager (mine is a 1996). I have had to replace the pads about 7 times, the > rotors 3 times, and the calipers 3 times. For good measure I have replaced > the Master cylinder, and the rear wheel cylinders. The rear brakes show > little wear. I have 150,000 miles on it, and purchased it with just under > 100,000 miles. it sounds like the front hoses are at fault keeping the brakes on and burning up the pads and rotors you can burn up a set of brakes in one month with faulty hoses and take out the rotors with it > Has anybody had, or have problems with the front brakes on a Plymouth > Grand Voyager (mine is a 1996). I have had to replace the pads about 7 > times, the rotors 3 times, and the calipers 3 times. For good measure I > have replaced the Master cylinder, and the rear wheel cylinders. The rear > brakes show little wear. I have 150,000 miles on it, and purchased it with > just under 100,000 miles. Don, I wonder what problems you were having to keep replacing those parts over and over? I found it better to replace rotors then turn them because they wear quickly, and the shops that turn rotors often have no idea what they are doing, and try to resurface with a single cut for $20 each. On a van as old as yours you need to replace the brake hoses since these can fail in a way that keeps the front caliper's from retracting properly, and this can lead to extremely quick rotor glazing. I had a 99 Caravan, and yes the brakes when they are at their best are no more than adaquite. They don't stay that way long as the front pads and rotors glaze quickly. The choice of parts used is a big factor also. I had my best luck with Napa rotors and pads (ceramic). The rear needs to be adjusted correctly, and the OEM wheel cyclinders have a tendency to leak in as few as 30,000 miles. The cheapest Autozone Chinese crap wheel cyclinders are superior to OEM. Adjust the rear brakes one at a time with the wheel off the ground. Then you will notice that the brake pedal travel is at minimum before you feel resistance with your foot. Get one of those lazer / Infra-red gun type temperature meterers. Go out and do 2-3 runs from 60 to zero and then pull over and see how the wheel temperatures compare. The front should be hottest for sure, and the rears should not be cold. In my opinion Dodge brakes of the mid to late 90's are marginal at best when everything is right. Keeping them at this "peak level" is difficult unless you work on them often, or resign yourself to strengthen your legs and don' tailgate. JC |
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