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scotsman - 15 Mar 2004 19:45 GMT I believe that during a fuel crisis in USA in the 70s and 80s,mitsubishi engines were fitted to dodge vans.Does anyone have any experience of this
James C. Reeves - 16 Mar 2004 00:09 GMT | I believe that during a fuel crisis in USA in the 70s and | 80s,mitsubishi engines were fitted to dodge vans.Does | anyone have any experience of this I once owned a 1987 Grand Caravan with the 3.0 V6 Mitsubishi engine. The first year of both the "Grand" model and a V6 in the minivan.
clare @ snyder.on .ca - 16 Mar 2004 03:58 GMT >| I believe that during a fuel crisis in USA in the 70s and >| 80s,mitsubishi engines were fitted to dodge vans.Does >| anyone have any experience of this > >I once owned a 1987 Grand Caravan with the 3.0 V6 Mitsubishi engine. The first >year of both the "Grand" model and a V6 in the minivan. Both the 2.6 four and the 3.0 6 are MitsuShitties.
Circuit Breaker - 17 Mar 2004 06:02 GMT >>| Scotsman >> James C. Reeves > Clare
>>| I believe that during a fuel crisis in USA in the 70s and >>| 80s,mitsubishi engines were fitted to dodge vans.Does anyone >>| have any experience of this
>> I once owned a 1987 Grand Caravan with the 3.0 V6 Mitsubishi engine. >> The first year of both the "Grand" model and a V6 in the minivan.
> Both the 2.6 four and the 3.0 6 are MitsuShitties. Granted, the 3.0 may have its problems. Its power-to-weight ratio may not be as impressive as the 2.2 / 2.5 turbos, and it may have a history of smoking problems, but in the past 5 (6?) years that I've owned my 3.0L Daytona, that's been a damned good engine. I'd never call it a MitsuShitty. The only problem I've had with it that required any huge major amount of work was with smoking, and that wasn't the engine's fault. The previous owner used some cheap oil that gummed up the piston rings. They were real fun to remove. Only other "major", "will make the car not work properly" thing to happen was my distributor cap's points got worn pretty deep, and the rotor head's bakelight was cracked near the tip. Both were replaced.
Some of the other problems I've had I never got around to fixing because they're so minor I hardly ever think about them. They include a leaky oil cap, a bad radiator cap (stock, though not original, radiator), a stripped radiator draincock (also not original), and I think I might have replaced the lower radiator hose when I rebuilt the engine to fix the piston rings. I do try to keep the oil appropriately changed, and I'm getting about 5,000 miles between changes. Book calls for 7,500, IIRC.
My radiator fan burned out right after I got the car, but that wasn't really an engine fault, was it? Was the fan built by mitsu? The A/C compressor is still good, even after having been left open to the atmosphere during the rebuild of the engine (fwiw, the valve core was bad and leaked the R-12 to atmosphere over a period of time shortly after my purchase of the car. The leak was so slow, I had no idea it was leaking until my A/C quit working). Fresh charge on it, and it works. Sure, there's a little bit of moisture in the lines, but not that much, really. The power steering pump is still good, as is the brake booster. Electronic components of the engine are still good, and as far as I know, factory original.
If anything, I'd say that all of the problems I've had with the engine were the fault of previous owners and shitty Victor gaskets purchased at NAPA.
The prev. owner used poor oil, and probably used the cheapest 87 octane gasoline too. As for the shitty NAPA gaskets, they sell Victor. After purchasing replacement FelPro gaskets from Discount/Advance, I haven't had any gasket problems.
As far as I know, the fuel injectors are factory original. I could be wrong, as I don't know how long injectors typically last. If original, these would be 14-1/2 years old (car built in August 1989).
Have I listed anything here that couldn't be a problem with /any/ engine? To tell you the truth, I've had more problems with the car's electrical system, mechanicals of the odometer (I think the speedo/odo that came with it was not the original as it was the only guage with a non-faded needle), a problem with my parking brake handle giving out when setting the brake, problem with cargo cover not retracting in cold weather, lift gate glass coming unsealed and liftgate struts not holding the gate up, seat belts not retracting, seat belt buckles cracking, radio acting like it's got a bad solder joint in it, headliner needing replacement, sunvisors needing replacement, windshield wiper bushings needing replacement, it STILL needs new shocks, and the under hood insulation needs replacement. Oh, and the paint job was shitty to begin with with that cheapassed Chrysler clearcoat, and one of the CV joints broke into three pieces from a hard launch one day -- clearly, the /ENGINE/ was doing /FINE/, THAT day.
From the engine, I've had practically no problems aside from the smoking when I first got it and the blown NAPA / Victor intake manifold gasket. Neither was a problem that prevented the engine from delivering power when needed (although the intake gasket problem was not healthy, allowing uncontrolled thinning of the F/A mixture to cylinders 1 and 3).
In short, the Mitsu engine is far from shitty. Frankly, I'm glad I have it. Yes, it's heavy. Yes, it's bulky and at times hard to work around. Yes, it's a little underpowered for its weight compared to a 4-cylinder turbo.
Butcha know what? It runs, it runs strong, and it runs at 24.5 miles per gallon. If I keep my foot firmly planted in the throttle body, I can bring that number down to a 22.8~ish mpg minimum, and still get 0-60 in about 10 seconds. Yeah, there are faster 4-speed autos out there, I'm sure, but this is more than enough to get me out of someone's way in traffic. Back to the mpg, I was barely getting that with my 1989 Daytona 2.5L N/A 3-speed, and my 1973 VW Beetle - a 1.6L 4-banger - never went above 25 mpg with its 4-speed manual.
Personally, I think the 3.0 mitsu is a damned good engine.
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robs440 - 17 Mar 2004 14:48 GMT 160,000 on ours in the lebaron. smokes a little till its warmed up but its been damn dependable
> >>| Scotsman > >> James C. Reeves [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > | |__ | _ \ Although I would prefer it were entirely American. > \__/ |___/ Sink the ship to reply by email. James C. Reeves - 18 Mar 2004 01:12 GMT It was a good engine for us in out '87 Grand as well.
clare @ snyder.on .ca - 18 Mar 2004 02:00 GMT >>>| Scotsman >>> James C. Reeves [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >pretty deep, and the rotor head's bakelight was cracked near the tip. Both >were replaced. The bottom end of the 3.0 is almost bulletproof - but they had significant issues with valve guides dropping and wearing. I'm on the 3rd set of heads - with 240,000 Km on it.
The 2.6 and earlier 1.5 and 1.6 (colt and arrow) engines were a different kettle of fish entirely ---
>Some of the other problems I've had I never got around to fixing because >they're so minor I hardly ever think about them. They include a leaky oil [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > >Personally, I think the 3.0 mitsu is a damned good engine. Circuit Breaker - 19 Mar 2004 03:24 GMT clare wrote:
>>>>| Scotsman >>>> James C. Reeves [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > The 2.6 and earlier 1.5 and 1.6 (colt and arrow) engines were a > different kettle of fish entirely --- I almost wish I'd had a 1.5 or 2.6 so I could know what they were like first hand. I might wind up with a 2.6 conquest/starion some day, I liked the looks of the cars, but other than that it's unlikely.
As for the heads and valve guides, I've heard/read stories of that happening on several 3.0-related pages. I've never had the problem. I don't know if the heads are original or not, but when I rebuilt the engine I let a professional work on the heads. He said there was hardly anything that needed to be done to them. The guy just trued them up for me, and he said even that was minimal work, so I assume that they might be the second set the car has had. Still, I really woudln't know, and don't think I could trust the original owner to tell me anyway (even if I DID still have his number)...
I can't be sure that the odo that came with the car was original, but when it broke, the first time, I believe there were around 150,000 miles on it. Probably 160k by the time I rebuild the engine. Since I had to replace gears in the odo anyway, I will have to mark the box on my title that says the odo is inaccurate. Therefore, I decided to go ahead and roll it back to all zeros. That way, I have a "Miles Since Major Overhaul". Creeping up on 15,500 now. Been a little over a year -- good feeling, that. Anyway, 160k plus another 15, that's 175,000 and going. I run Linux here, has a command "units" to convert from one unit to the next... if I'm using it right, it's telling me that 175,000 miles is 281,000 kilometres with some change. Sounds about right, anyway.
Good luck with your engines.
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Clem - 22 Mar 2004 20:19 GMT If it has the 2.6....... you don't want it.
That engine was about the worst one chrsyler ever used.
Chas Stokes - 08 May 2004 09:41 GMT > If it has the 2.6....... you don't want it. > > That engine was about the worst one chrsyler ever used. Agreed. I had one in my 87 caravan. It had all kinds of problems but mostly the carburator.
When I got rid of it, the timing chain had started slapping. At least I think it was a chain in that. I don't believe it was a belt.
My current van is a 90 caravan with the Mitsu 3.0. It has 192,000 Miles on the current engine (275,000 on the van) and it runs VERY quiet and smooth. No complaints.
Chas
Justin - 22 Mar 2004 00:12 GMT >>>>| Scotsman >>>> James C. Reeves [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >>changed, and I'm getting about 5,000 miles between changes. Book >>calls for 7,500, IIRC. My father has a '92 Caravan Cargo Van with the 3.3 V6 (Chrysler engineered/produced -- replaced the Mitsu V6). It was used as a courier for 8 years. It has 390,000 miles and still runs pretty good.
Clem - 22 Mar 2004 20:20 GMT > My father has a '92 Caravan Cargo Van with the 3.3 V6 (Chrysler > engineered/produced -- replaced the Mitsu V6). It was used as a courier > for 8 years. It has 390,000 miles and still runs pretty good. And it's American Chrysler designed and built too. Back when Chrysler was American, that is.
ivanw - 11 May 2006 02:57 GMT hi i was just woundering if one of u might beable to help me tell me whats wrong with my car it gets fuel spark but will not fire it will crake over and still wont start
Bill 2 - 20 Mar 2004 04:35 GMT > >| I believe that during a fuel crisis in USA in the 70s and > >| 80s,mitsubishi engines were fitted to dodge vans.Does [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > Both the 2.6 four and the 3.0 6 are MitsuShitties. <sarcasm> What? That doesn't make sense. How could a Japanese engine ever have problems? I was always told that Japanese products were always much more reliable than domestics. </sarcasm>
Ray - 16 Mar 2004 05:42 GMT > I believe that during a fuel crisis in USA in the 70s and 80s,mitsubishi engines were fitted to dodge vans.Does anyone have any experience of this I had K-car and minivan with 4 cyl 2.8L Mitsu. I also own 94 minivan with V6 3.0L Mitsubishi. What you want to know about them?
Ray - 16 Mar 2004 05:45 GMT > > I believe that during a fuel crisis in USA in the 70s and 80s,mitsubishi engines were fitted to dodge vans.Does anyone have any experience of this > > I had K-car and minivan with 4 cyl 2.8L Mitsu. > I also own 94 minivan with V6 3.0L Mitsubishi. > What you want to know about them? I might be mistaken. It is possible it was 2.6 not 2.8L , I'm not sure at this moment.
Gene Poon - 16 Mar 2004 09:18 GMT >>>I believe that during a fuel crisis in USA in the 70s and 80s,mitsubishi engines were fitted to dodge vans.Does anyone have any experience of this >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I might be mistaken. > It is possible it was 2.6 not 2.8L , I'm not sure at this moment. For the first few years of the Aries and Reliant K-Cars, the two engines available were the Chrysler 2.2L and a Mitsubishi 2.6L. I remember the badge on the 2.6L cars said, "2.6 HEMI" which seemed like a bad joke since whether it was a 2.2L or a 2.6L, those cars were slow. The 2.6L finally was replaced by a bigger version of the Chrysler 2.2L, enlarged to 2.5L.
-GP
James C. Reeves - 17 Mar 2004 00:21 GMT | For the first few years of the Aries and Reliant K-Cars, the two engines | available were the Chrysler 2.2L and a Mitsubishi 2.6L. I remember the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | | -GP 2.6 HEMI, funny. I don't remember that.
My mother-in-law still drives a late 80's Aries. Yes it's not very fast or powerful but the thing just keeps running and running and been a really good car for her!
Clem - 22 Mar 2004 20:21 GMT > | For the first few years of the Aries and Reliant K-Cars, the two engines > | available were the Chrysler 2.2L and a Mitsubishi 2.6L. I remember the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > powerful but the thing just keeps running and running and been a really good > car for her! It probably doesn't have the 2.6 then. <G>
James C. Reeves - 23 Mar 2004 00:32 GMT | > | For the first few years of the Aries and Reliant K-Cars, the two engines | > | available were the Chrysler 2.2L and a Mitsubishi 2.6L. I remember the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] | | It probably doesn't have the 2.6 then. <G> To be honest, I have no idea.
Bill 2 - 27 Mar 2004 03:26 GMT > | > | For the first few years of the Aries and Reliant K-Cars, the two engines > | > | available were the Chrysler 2.2L and a Mitsubishi 2.6L. I remember the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > To be honest, I have no idea. If it's an 86 or newer it won't have the 2.6 in it.
Virginia Belle - 19 Mar 2004 01:09 GMT 1990 Dynasty with almost 500,000 miles on it and Still running strong.
Virginia Belle - 19 Mar 2004 01:13 GMT Oh, I forgot ... 3.0 Mitsu.
434,000 miles (just ran out to look 8)
Rick Blaine - 24 Mar 2004 22:29 GMT Are you referring to the Mitsubishi diesel that was offered in full size vans and trucks?
> I believe that during a fuel crisis in USA in the 70s and 80s,mitsubishi engines were fitted to dodge vans.Does anyone have any experience of this Steve W. - 24 Mar 2004 23:34 GMT Better than half the engines in all Chryslers are Mitsu designed and built. They have also used Peugeot, VW, Renault, and AMC engines. And they are also entering a deal with Mitsu and Hyundai to build a new plant to produce engines in Michigan.
Here is a list. http://www.allpar.com/mopar/list.html
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> Are you referring to the Mitsubishi diesel that was offered in full size > vans and trucks? > > I believe that during a fuel crisis in USA in the 70s and 80s,mitsubishi > engines were fitted to dodge vans.Does anyone have any experience of this Occupant - 05 Apr 2004 00:18 GMT Don't forget, the Dodge and Plymouth Colt Vista wagons used a SOHC version of the 2.0L four used in the Mitsubishi Eclipse and Galant. Underpowered from 84-86 or so with a carburetor (the source of many of the 2.6 engine problems is that carburetor) , then switched to fuel injection sometime in 87. I had an 88 Plymouth Colt Vista, 7-passenger, 5-speed, no AC, was a terrific car, it threw the timing belt and didn't damage the engine. The 2.0 SOHC is a non interference engine, like the 3.0 SOHC V6 in the minivans. You won't smash valves into pistons in those.
Had the 3.0L engine in an ex-Avis rental car, a maroon/maroon 1993 Dynasty base model, great motor, but I ruined the transmission by driving 110mph for too long. A gear threw from the differential into the tranny case and tossed around like Pac-Man eating the rest of the tranny up. Happened with 84,895 on the car, 7300-ish miles after I bought it used. I shoulda got the extended warranty!, because it ran $2300 or so to replace...OUCH! The only problems after that were a sticky front caliper (lots of brake pads and warped rotors before I figure that one out) and I changed the heater blower fan once due to a blown resistor allowing it to work only on high. Wrecked later at 142K during an icy snowy mess of a storm when I should have been at home eating cookies.
The 3.0 was used in minivans, Spirit/Acclaim, Shadow/Sundance, Dynasty/New Yorker, Daytona, Mitsubishi Galant, Mitsubishi Montero/Dodge Raider, and a DOHC version for the Stealth/3000GT sports cars. They even made an industrial 3.0V6 for forklifts and such that could run on CNG or propane!
The 2.6 engine was available in old Colts and Challenger/Sapporo, as well as other Mitsubishis of the time and most pre-88 Chrysler K-cars. It was carbureted and had lots of driveability problems. Only a small torque advantage over the 2.2 Chrysler engine (a cutdown of the Slant Six).
1.4/1.5/1.6 Mitsu engines are in Colts, I have never owned one of those or the 2.6.
Alan Moore Dallas, TX
clarence@snyder.on.ca - 06 Apr 2004 02:27 GMT >Don't forget, the Dodge and Plymouth Colt Vista wagons used a SOHC >version of the 2.0L four used in the Mitsubishi Eclipse and Galant. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >small torque advantage over the 2.2 Chrysler engine (a cutdown of the >Slant Six). Totally different animal, as the slant six was OHV and the 2.2 was OHC.
>1.4/1.5/1.6 Mitsu engines are in Colts, I have never owned one of >those or the 2.6. I has a '72 1.6 and a '85 2.6. Also had a '94 1.5 and my wife currently drives a 3.0 My brothers has 1.6 and 2.0 colts, and a 2.6 fire Arrow. Not a single one was trouble-free. The 1.6 engines ALL had head problems, The 2.6 engines all had timing chain problems and ring problems. The 1.5 popped head gaskets The 3.0 is on it's 3rd set of heads (valve guide problems) and lost the harmonic ballancer (problem with keyway in crank) Also have had 2.2 and 2.5 engines in the family, as well as a whole slew of slant sixes, 318s, 360s, a couple of flatheads, 413, and Red Ram Hemi. Every one of them was a better engine than any of the Mitsus.
The older engines DID have some valve and ring problems in their day, but neither metalurgy or lubricants were up to the standards we have today, and they all ran on leaded fuel.
>Alan Moore >Dallas, TX Chas Stokes - 08 May 2004 09:40 GMT In article <6b6dc609fd2bfa5569bcbb4f179914b9 @localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, islesnikita@aol.com says...
> I believe that during a fuel crisis in USA in the 70s and 80s,mitsubishi engines were fitted to dodge vans.Does anyone have any experience of this Considering my 90 caravan has one... yes.
Chas
Justin - 08 May 2004 16:25 GMT > In article <6b6dc609fd2bfa5569bcbb4f179914b9 > @localhost.talkaboutautos.com>, islesnikita@aol.com says... >> I believe that during a fuel crisis in USA in the 70s and >> 80s,mitsubishi engines were fitted to dodge vans.Does anyone have any >> experience of this There were also a lot of Mitsubishi cars imported here and badged as chrysler corp. cars -- Plymouth Arrow, Sapporo, Dodge Challenger, Plymouth Champ, Dodge Colt, Dodge Raider, Dodge Colt Vista, and the Dodge Conquest. Back in '87, my grandparents (strictly bought American cars) bought a Raider 4x4 thinking it was a true Dodge. I broke the news to them. They felt like they were conned.
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