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Cogentin - 19 Dec 2005 17:32 GMT

Wow ...

http://www.formula-1.updatesport.com/news/article/1134997236/formula_one/F1headl
ines/Renault-reaction-to-Alonso-move/view.html

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Tifosi 308 (The Serial Number Geek) - 19 Dec 2005 18:43 GMT

> Wow ...
>
> http://www.formula-1.updatesport.com/news/article/1134997236/formula_one/F1headl
ines/Renault-reaction-to-Alonso-move/view.html

Certainly makes the "Kimi to Ferrari" rumors a little stronger. Both
Kimi and JPM are out of contract in 2007. I bet they'll both be gone by
then.

I still believe that Renault is not long for F1 (Carlos Ghosn has said
as much and they've done what they planned to do) and perhaps 'nando
knows and realizes that the best rides will be at either McLaren or Ferrari.

Bring on 2007!

T308
(Who wonders what JPM must be thinking....)

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Cogentin - 19 Dec 2005 21:27 GMT

>> Wow ...
>>
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> T308
> (Who wonders what JPM must be thinking....)

So you just have to know that Valentino Rossi is making some hard
decisions, too. He likes to make a splash quickly and make it last.
But say he comes in with Raikkonen in '07, sure, it's student and
master, but Kimi isn't exactly ancient - he could hold sway for more
than a few years with a strong car/team. Can Rossi handle being second
banana for that long (and would Kimi acquiesce if VR became king)?
Wouldn't VR rather learn under MS?? Maybe it was all just a setup that
Rossi was even being considered ... at the same time, Massa surely isn't
going to be there long, and MS wouldn't run with Kimi as a teammate, I
don't think. And yet I don't think Ferrari F1's main marching orders
are to have an Italian driver on the team now or on the horizon. So
Rossi's "testing" and photo ops could mean completely zip.

I'm sure JPM isn't going to have a problem finding a ride. IMO there
are a lot of second-rate drivers in F1, some in first-rate ride
situations, too. Button, Heidfeld, Webber, Sato, etc., are really not
that great and most have been given opportunities in decent cars. Ralf
S is probably a better driver than most of them, maybe even Fisichella.
But nearly all are second bananas.

But damn, it feels good to be discussing F1 this time of the year. Here
amongst friends, of course - I don't go to the lion dens (rasf1, etc.)
without a lion's knowledge on the subject.

M

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Tifosi 308 (The Serial Number Geek) - 23 Dec 2005 03:21 GMT

> So you just have to know that Valentino Rossi is making some hard
> decisions, too. He likes to make a splash quickly and make it last. But
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> that long (and would Kimi acquiesce if VR became king)? Wouldn't VR
> rather learn under MS??

I think Michael will "still be around" with the team when he's retired.
He'll still be there to "advise, counsel and warn" whoever is there.

Maybe it was all just a setup that Rossi was

> even being considered ... at the same time, Massa surely isn't going to
> be there long,

Especially if Jean Todt moves aside. Massa's there because of his
agent, no other reason.

and MS wouldn't run with Kimi as a teammate, I don't

> think.

Which is too bad. I think it'd bring out the best in both of them.

And yet I don't think Ferrari F1's main marching orders are to

> have an Italian driver on the team now or on the horizon.

They'd hire a Martian if he was the best driver available. Nationality
doesn't figure anymore.

So Rossi's

> "testing" and photo ops could mean completely zip.

My fear is that he "goes fast" and they give him a race seat without
developing his racecraft. That'll be the biggest learning curve for him.

> I'm sure JPM isn't going to have a problem finding a ride. IMO there
> are a lot of second-rate drivers in F1, some in first-rate ride
> situations, too. Button, Heidfeld, Webber, Sato, etc., are really not
> that great and most have been given opportunities in decent cars.

Perhaps Team Willie will take him back!

Ralf

> S is probably a better driver than most of them, maybe even Fisichella.
> But nearly all are second bananas.

Ralf's shite. Good on the day, sucks the remaining 364.

> But damn, it feels good to be discussing F1 this time of the year. Here
> amongst friends, of course - I don't go to the lion dens (rasf1, etc.)
> without a lion's knowledge on the subject.

You think those folks have knowledge???

T308

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Iain Miller - 23 Dec 2005 13:30 GMT

>> Certainly makes the "Kimi to Ferrari" rumors a little stronger. Both
>> Kimi and JPM are out of contract in 2007. I bet they'll both be gone by
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> a lot of second-rate drivers in F1, some in first-rate ride situations,
> too.

> Button,

Jury's still out on him

> Heidfeld

A good Journeyman - and, to be fair, I don't think we've seen the best of
him

> Webber

Highly over-rated IMHO - still dining out on one attrition based points
finish in a Minardi & a couple of impressive quali session sin the Jag -
which turned out to be the result of running on fumes.

> Sato etc.

Doesn't belong in an F1 car

> Ralf S is probably a better driver than most of them

Useless unless the car is absolutely perfect

> maybe even Fisichella.

Last year suggests he doesn't really "have it" either - disappointing but I
don't think he can real "step up"

> But damn, it feels good to be discussing F1 this time of the year. Here
> amongst friends, of course - I don't go to the lion dens (rasf1, etc.)
> without a lion's knowledge on the subject.

Best not to - Back-a.s has re-appeared over there recently!

I.

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