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Car Forum / Ferrari Cars / June 2006Are Retractable Headlights Banned?
I say all the Supercars that have those clear headlamp recesses look like crap............ Go back to the 80's with the retractable headlights and then Ferrari's had some clean lines now they look horrible.................... Pininfarina has been smoking too much Thai Stick. I hate the look of about anything Ferrari has made in the last eleven years besides the Enzo and F430 Spyder. D.H. <<I hate the look of about anything Ferrari has made in the last eleven years besides the Enzo and F430 Spyder.>> Exceedingly odd choices. C. > <<I hate the look of about anything Ferrari has made in the last eleven > years besides the Enzo and F430 Spyder.>> > > Exceedingly odd choices. > > C. Why so? lol And how have you been? Best, D.H. So are they banned people? >> <<I hate the look of about anything Ferrari has made in the last eleven >> years besides the Enzo and F430 Spyder.>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > D.H. > So are they banned people? I cannot find anything in the DOT rulings on it. Retractable headlights were present as late as 2004 on C5 Corvettes. The lack of them on current cars is likely a styling and cost change, not a formal ban. T308 > I cannot find anything in the DOT rulings on it. Retractable > headlights were present as late as 2004 on C5 Corvettes. The lack of > them on current cars is likely a styling and cost change, not a > formal ban. Could be becouse thoese moveable lamp stick up from the car and can catch and cause extra injury to a pedestrian ina collission. Think I remember seeing something about big hood ornaments etc over a certain size beeing outlawed due to injurie risks. No doubt about those kind of headlights looking cooler though. Seems impossible to find any relevant information by googling though (is it possible to google without finding any porn??) Best Wishes Thomas > So are they banned people? IIRC, I read an interview with the designer of the latest generation Mazda Miata in which he said that it was currently not possible to use retractable headlights and pass the regulations about pedestrian safety. I found a document: "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA COMMENTS ON DRAFT GLOBAL TECHNICAL REGULATION ON PEDESTRIAN HEAD AND LEG PROTECTION (TRANS/WP.29/GRSP/2005/3) " http://www.unece.org/trans/doc/2005/wp29grsp/TRANS-WP29-GRSP-37-inf18e.doc in which is mentioned that: "Pop-up or retractable headlights shall be tested both with the headlights Off (retracted position) and headlights ON" I think this implies that: - it will be more expensive for a manufacturer to sell a car with retractable headlights (2 tests instead of one); - retractable headlights are not banned "per se", if the manufacturer can pass the pedestrian tests with them. I also found an European document: http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32004D0090:E N:HTML Commission Decision of 23 December 2003 on the technical prescriptions for the implementation of Article 3 of Directive 2003/102/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council relating to the protection of pedestrians and other vulnerable road users before and in the event of a collision with a motor vehicle and amending Directive 70/156/EEC The expression " "pop-up" headlights " appears 3 times in the document: "Any vehicle component which could change shape or position, such as "pop-up" headlights, other than suspension components or active devices to protect pedestrians, shall be set to a shape or position that the test institutes, in consultation with the manufacturer, consider to be the most appropriate while taking these measurements." So in Europe they also seems to be allowed. Worryingly, I also found this sentence: "Mr Van der Straaten said that no vehicle today has pop-up headlights, so maybe it can be deleted." in the minutes of the 10th meeting of the GRSP INFORMAL GROUP ON PEDESTRIAN SAFETY Washington DC, 16-19 January 2006. http://www.unece.org/trans/doc/2006/wp29grsp/ps-188e.pdf That is, there is a risk that since currently manufacturers are not making cars with pop-up headlights, they will be deleted from future regulations and then it will be impossible to ever use them again. I was still searching for more info, but I don't have time now.  Signaturehttp://www.mat.uc.pt/~rps/ .pt is Portugal| `Whom the gods love die young'-Menander (342-292 BC) Europe | Villeneuve 50-82, Toivonen 56-86, Senna 60-94 > I found a document: > > "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA COMMENTS ON DRAFT GLOBAL TECHNICAL REGULATION > ON PEDESTRIAN HEAD AND LEG PROTECTION (TRANS/WP.29/GRSP/2005/3) " So, I wonder what they'll make of the Hummers and other SUVs with pedestrian cheese graters on them? T308 > So, I wonder what they'll make of the Hummers and other SUVs with > pedestrian cheese graters on them? What is 'pedestrian cheese' ? sounds disgusting. I much prefer STILTON - KING OF CHEESES! Back on topic, I'd always assumed that pop-ups had vanished as a by-product of the desire to increase aerodynamic efficiency... -Paul >>So, I wonder what they'll make of the Hummers and other SUVs with >>pedestrian cheese graters on them? > > What is 'pedestrian cheese' ? sounds disgusting. I much prefer > STILTON - KING OF CHEESES! Stilton, Gorgonzola, Reblochon = Cheese Royalty All others = Pedestrian Cheeses > Back on topic, I'd always assumed that pop-ups had vanished as a > by-product of the desire to increase aerodynamic efficiency... > > -Paul And they're fugly too.... T308 (Who hates the look of his 308 with the lights up...) "Tifosi 308 (The Serial Number Geek)" schreef > And they're fugly too.... > > T308 > > (Who hates the look of his 308 with the lights up...) And in Italy and other European countries it is law to drive always with lights on even in broad daylight so a car with pop ups would always look ugly when driving. > And in Italy and other European countries it is law to drive always > with lights on even in broad daylight It is? Are you sure about that? I never see many Italians driving with lights during the day (of course, that might just be because they're Italians) and I never do when in Italy. -Paul It said so in some holiday travel guide I got. The Scandinavian countries, Italy, Switserland and some more. >> And in Italy and other European countries it is law to drive always with >> lights on even in broad daylight [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -Paul > So, I wonder what they'll make of the Hummers and other SUVs with > pedestrian cheese graters on them? In Europe: http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/05/613&format=HTM L&aged=0&language=en&guiLanguage=en Brussels, 26 May 2005 Pedestrian safety: Commission welcomes Parliament agreement on control of bull-bars The question of controlling the use of bull-bars was one which the Commission reviewed and, as a result, made a proposal on which the present Directive is based. Consideration was initially given to a complete ban on the use of these items but it was also recognised that under certain circumstances there may be a level of injury reduction by the use of a frontal protection system. This is thus reflected in the formulation of the Directive. All Frontal Protection Systems intended for passenger cars (M1 vehicles) up to 3.5 tonnes and light duty trucks (N1 vehicles) will have to satisfy a number of tests including energy absorption, before they can be type-approved. It is expected that overall this will provide a definite improvement in risk levels for the average pedestrian in close contact with urban traffic. More information: http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/automotive/pagesbackground/pedestrianprotec tion/index.htm Signaturehttp://www.mat.uc.pt/~rps/ .pt is Portugal| `Whom the gods love die young'-Menander (342-292 BC) Europe | Villeneuve 50-82, Toivonen 56-86, Senna 60-94 >>So, I wonder what they'll make of the Hummers and other SUVs with >>pedestrian cheese graters on them? > > In Europe: 'nuff said. Here is 'merika the soccer moms need these things to protect their headlights. I believe it's covered somewhere in the second amendment alongside the right to bear Uzis and AK47s near schools. T308 There are no better places to have Uzis and AK47s than near schools. Those little f.ckers all sell drugs - and they all pack heat. "Happiness is a warm gun." John Lennon > Here is 'merika the soccer moms need these things to protect their > headlights. I believe it's covered somewhere in the second amendment > alongside the right to bear Uzis and AK47s near schools. > > T308 > There are no better places to have Uzis and AK47s than near schools. > Those little f.ckers all sell drugs - and they all pack heat. I guess that bringing a Kalashnikov to the party gets you a good price on the sh.t every time. -PauloD P.S. Did you like my use of teh term 'the sh.t'? did it sound kinda 'street' and 'kewl'? ... ...ok, no. ... ...never mind. BTW, whilst googling to check the spelling for Mr K, I found this rather fine example of a freedom fighter: http://www.pentdego.com/2004/08/09.asp I have no idea what the site is about. I guess it's Dutch. > > There are no better places to have Uzis and AK47s than near schools. > > Those little f.ckers all sell drugs - and they all pack heat. > > I guess that bringing a Kalashnikov to the party gets you a good price > on the sh.t every time. I still want one with the underfolder stock, or maybe a Polish Tantal version in 5.45X39 instead... > -PauloD > P.S. Did you like my use of teh term 'the sh.t'? did it sound kinda > 'street' and 'kewl'? ... As long as you don't slip into 1337-sp34k we'll all be fine... Well, you did say "teh"... > ...ok, no. ... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I have no idea what the site is about. I guess it's Dutch. She has a magazine for her AK that plays MP3s... Wow, and I thought only AR15 guys got the slick tacti-cool gear... -Matt- :::whose AR has less accessories than his Mosin-Nagant::: "Matt Borland" <gp911911@gmail.com> wrote > >Well, you did say "teh"... Go f.ck your hat. > "Matt Borland" <gp911911@gmail.com> wrote > > > >Well, you did say "teh"... > > Go f.ck your hat. Ahhh, it's been awhile... Surprised you didn't type "g0 ph(_)C|< y0(_)|^ |-|@+, y0... Pwn3d!" Almost as surprised that I could figure out how to type it... -Matt- "1337 = teh gheyness" > Surprised you didn't type "g0 ph(_)C|< y0(_)|^ |-|@+, y0... Pwn3d!" Are you the chap that keeps sending me all that V1agr/\ spam? -MCPauloD P.S. How did you know about my... er... 'issue' ? P.P.S. Is the genuine stuff? I mean, I can see that your e-mail has a picture of a man in a lab coat and he even wears glasses... ..and I guess the naked women do *look* satisfied... Oh what the hell - here, take my credit card details and PIN, I'm sure you Russian doctors know what you're doing. P.P.P.S. I don't suppose you have any reliable 'penny stock' recomendations you could send me? > > Surprised you didn't type "g0 ph(_)C|< y0(_)|^ |-|@+, y0... Pwn3d!" > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > P.P.P.S. I don't suppose you have any reliable 'penny stock' > recomendations you could send me? I put the penny st0ck info in with the "m1cr0cap play3r" email. Did you get my "pen1s en|_ar6m3nt" email? By the way, I work for a foreign consulate and, as I'm not allowed to have more than $20k in foreign assets I'd like you, dear stranger, to, errrm, help me by transporting the money into your bank account. Just send all your vital banking info and I'll be in touch. Wait, I hear you're selling a car? I want to send you a check for more than the amount. When the check gets deposited just wire me back the difference here in Nigeria. That last one tempts me. Not to send money, but to pull a prank worthy of www.419eater.com Aaack, time for bed. The new Old English Sheepdog is an early riser... 5-1/2 months old and 55 pounds. Bring on the Flemish Giant! Ackshully, Darcy could kick Arnold's butt. He's super-docile, just a cuddler... Ferrari content? Ahhh, I hear the new Pixar flick has a Fiat that is quite the tifosi in it... -Matt- "..." << Ackshully, Darcy could kick Arnold's butt.>> Run away, run away! C. > << Ackshully, Darcy could kick Arnold's butt.>> > > Run away, run away! Then did he raise on high the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, saying, "Bless this, O Lord, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the people did rejoice and did feast upon the lambs and toads and tree-sloths and fruit-bats and orangutans and breakfast cereals ... Now did the Lord say, "First thou pullest the Holy Pin. Then thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then lobbest thou the Holy Hand Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it." > > << Ackshully, Darcy could kick Arnold's butt.>> > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Grenade in the direction of thine foe, who, being naughty in my sight, > shall snuff it." Now I have "Brave Sir Robin's" theme music stuck in my head, thank you very much... -Matt- |
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