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Car Forum / Ferrari Cars / August 2003Ah yes
If you put a porsche GT1 on the same race track as tigerrace1 and her Ferrari F355 there would be a smoked italian! Not only that but pretty cool that the new Porsche SUV could smoke just about every ferrari model made before 1995. I can't wait to see the head to head test of the Carrera GT against (insert ferrari model here). Porsche will definitly look better, probably score higher marks with its ceramic clutch and breaks..I mean you guys have to admit that that is a impressive car? German engineering, been the best since the first car in the WORLD was put togather 110 years ago and will be the best until the end of time. Porsche will look better? The Carrera GT looks ok, but when it comes to pure presence, Porsche isn't in the same league as Ferrari. I pulled up at the lights in my yellow F355 spider, right beside a midnight black 993 Porsche turbo. The group of women that stopped to admire my Ferrari didn't even notice the Porsche. The driver might as well have been sitting in a plastic bag! c > If you put a porsche GT1 on the same race track as tigerrace1 and her > Ferrari F355 there would be a smoked italian! Not only that but pretty cool [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the best since the first car in the WORLD was put togather 110 years ago and > will be the best until the end of time. > If you put a porsche GT1 on the same race track as tigerrace1 and her > Ferrari F355 there would be a smoked italian! Aren't you a little out of date? >Not only that but pretty cool that the new Porsche SUV could smoke just about every >ferrari model made before 1995. Good. Go buy one. Paul (the real) Duffin > If you put a porsche GT1 on the same race track as tigerrace1 and her > Ferrari F355 there would be a smoked italian! Not only that but [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > car in the WORLD was put togather 110 years ago and will be the best > until the end of time. Whatever, troll. The Carrera GT is a rather impressive car, yes. But putting any Porsche up against a Ferrari as far as looks, style, mystique, AND performance - in many cases - is a losing cause and deep down inside you know it. The Enzo vs. the Carrera GT will be another of those "supercar road tests" all the mags will trumpet - and yes, the Carrera GT *may* win on absolute numbers. But it won't -ever- look better going around the track at speed than the Enzo (or the racing version 550 GT, for that matter). I've seen almost a dozen Cayennes since my first encounter, in various colors, and they do nothing for me. The only people that will buy them are Porsche die-hards, period. I loved Elke Sommer. But I *wanted* Sophia Loren. End of argument. Give it up. MC > The Enzo vs. the Carrera GT will be another of those "supercar road tests" > all the mags will trumpet - and yes, the Carrera GT *may* win on absolute > numbers. But it won't -ever- look better going around the track at speed > than the Enzo (or the racing version 550 GT, for that matter). Agreed, but how do you mean 'numbers' MC? It's just that I've just flicked through last month's Evo mag & they ran a 'spec' comparison between the two cars - it was the Enzo that came out top in every area. -- Regards Owen (replace '.nospam.' with '.karoo.' to reply) >> The Enzo vs. the Carrera GT will be another of those "supercar road >> tests" all the mags will trumpet - and yes, the Carrera GT *may* win on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > flicked through last month's Evo mag & they ran a 'spec' comparison > between the two cars - it was the Enzo that came out top in every area. Here's a side-by-side for you: http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/comp/?id=97108&id=105677 (my site) Highlights: 650 vs 603 bhp, 657 vs 590 nm (ouch), 1365kg vs 1380kg, all former specs Enzo; latter ones Carrera GT. Make no mistake both are fantastic cars, but I do think that the Enzo has more than just a little edge. I'd have to imagine that the Carrera GT suffers when it comes to torsional rigidity as well, being an open car. I wish we could see Michael Schumacher wring the best out of both of them around a decent track. Ciao Zak -- ======================================================================== http://www.carfolio.com/ Searchable database of 10 000+ car specs ======================================================================== >> The Enzo vs. the Carrera GT will be another of those "supercar road >> tests" all the mags will trumpet - and yes, the Carrera GT *may* win [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > between the two cars - it was the Enzo that came out top in every > area. Well, I said *may* ... knowing that somebody would have numbers handy and either support or defeat me. I'm glad the Enzo wins the comparison ... the Carrera GT is a bit too droid-ish and futuristic-looking for my taste (more so than the Enzo). BTW, this guy isn't Mikal, not IMO. Same amateurish writing style, but Mikal always came in with the profane insults from the get-go. Although I know you can't keep a fly away from a picnic table forever, so maybe he's snuck in again. MC >> If you put a porsche GT1 on the same race track as tigerrace1 and her >> Ferrari F355 there would be a smoked italian! Seeing as how one a full tilt race car and the 355 a street machine... >>Not only that but >> pretty cool that the new Porsche SUV could smoke just about every >> ferrari model made before 1995. ...Porch and BMW as well, as long as the road is perfectly straight. >>I can't wait to see the head to head >> test of the Carrera GT against (insert ferrari model here). Porsche >> will definitly look better, It does not. >>probably score higher marks with its >> ceramic clutch and breaks... The Enzo has Ceramic-carbon "brakes" as well. >>I mean you guys have to admit that that is >> a impressive car? Butt ugly, like many other Porchs >>German engineering, been the best since the first >> car in the WORLD was put togather 110 years ago and will be the best >> until the end of time. Didn't "Ferry" Porsche cut his teeth designing tanks for the Third Reich and working slave laborers to death building them? Like wise Mercedes-Benz and ovens of some sort? >[...] >The Enzo vs. the Carrera GT will be another of those "supercar road tests" >all the mags will trumpet - and yes, the Carrera GT *may* win on absolute >numbers. But it won't -ever- look better going around the track at speed >than the Enzo (or the racing version 550 GT, for that matter). Indeed, testing instruments cannot yet measure the intangible soul of the machine, thereby soulless cars from Germany and Japan sometimes appear to excel. >I've seen almost a dozen Cayennes since my first encounter, in various >colors, and they do nothing for me. The only people that will buy them are >Porsche die-hards, period. I've heard an S-type, and that motor makes a lovely noise, but at 5,700lbs: What the f.ck?!!! Car and Driver said "It's sure to be a huge status codpiece[...]" ...they barely veiled their contempt for it. >I loved Elke Sommer. But I *wanted* Sophia Loren. >End of argument. Give it up. I couldn't have said it better myself. (OK, I can: Claudia Schiffer vs Fabbiana Udenio.) <<Indeed, testing instruments cannot yet measure the intangible soul of the machine, thereby soulless cars from Germany and Japan sometimes appear to excel.>> Ooh, I like you! :-) C. :::who didn't actually squeal with delight at this, no matter what you may have heard::: The Carrera GT is a rather impressive car, yes. But > putting any Porsche up against a Ferrari as far as looks, style, mystique, > AND performance - in many cases - is a losing cause and deep down inside you > know it. The Enzo looks weird. I just looked at both the new Carrera GT and the Enzo on-line last night.. I would take the style of the Carrera GT hands down. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Ferrari's style, but I much prefer that of the older 308/328 GT/S. Although, at $440K- I think that I would stick with a 308. > I've seen almost a dozen Cayennes since my first encounter, in various > colors, and they do nothing for me. The only people that will buy them are > Porsche die-hards, period. Couldn't agree more, ugly car. -Rhad DAvis > > If you put a porsche GT1 on the same race track as tigerrace1 and her > > Ferrari F355 there would be a smoked italian! Not only that but [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > MC >If you put a porsche GT1 on the same race track as tigerrace1 and her >Ferrari F355 there would be a smoked italian! Not only that but pretty cool [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >the best since the first car in the WORLD was put togather 110 years ago and >will be the best until the end of time. Are you trying to convince us, ExtraSmell, or yourself? If you're trying to convince us, don't bother, all you will acheive is amusing us for a few days and then you'll be ignored. Welcome back Mikal...... Phil > Are you trying to convince us, ExtraSmell, or yourself? If you're > trying to convince us, don't bother, all you will acheive is amusing > us for a few days and then you'll be ignored. > > Welcome back Mikal...... Could be - but then this time he's posting via AOL......'nuff said for the majority of AOL-ers! > a impressive car? German engineering, been the best since the first Porsche Carrera GT will be produced by ATR Cars, in Italy (as well as Ferrari Enzo). gi trolling trolling.. had the chance to test a hummer against a cayanne? no comaparison. shear thrill is on the hummer. > If you put a porsche GT1 on the same race track as tigerrace1 and her > Ferrari F355 there would be a smoked italian! Not only that but pretty cool [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the best since the first car in the WORLD was put togather 110 years ago and > will be the best until the end of time. > trolling trolling.. > had the chance to test a hummer against a cayanne? > no comaparison. shear thrill is on the hummer. You do mean the original Hummer and not the H2 right? > > If you put a porsche GT1 on the same race track as tigerrace1 and her > > Ferrari F355 there would be a smoked italian! Not only that but pretty [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and > > will be the best until the end of time. Yes, but an Unimog will make the Hummer look like a Tonka Toy. Earl > trolling trolling.. > had the chance to test a hummer against a cayanne? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and >> will be the best until the end of time. > Yes, but an Unimog will make the Hummer look like a Tonka Toy. > > Earl That thing is slower than dirt itself. mc > trolling trolling.. > had the chance to test a hummer against a cayanne? > no comaparison. shear thrill is on the hummer. I would bet yes, but performance wise the Cayenne would kick a.s, unless the Hummer was "fixed", perhaps Lingenfelter style. However, as far as which one can go "farther, deeper", etc., I take the H2. No contest. MC > > trolling trolling.. > > had the chance to test a hummer against a cayanne? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Hummer was "fixed", perhaps Lingenfelter style. However, as far as which > one can go "farther, deeper", etc., I take the H2. No contest. You take the H2? Shows how much you know. The H2 has NOTHING in common with the original Hummer. It's actually a Suburban chassis. Talk to any engineer at GM and they'll confirm that. > You take the H2? Shows how much you know. The H2 has NOTHING in > common with the original Hummer. It's actually a Suburban chassis. > Talk to any engineer at GM and they'll confirm that. I've looked into them. I know plenty. Not to mention that I NEVER said the H2 could match the H1 offroad (though I think it gets extremely close). While the H2 does use the Tahoe-family chassis and drivetrain (and GM does not hide that fact, you don't have to talk to a GM engineer), it has been EXTENSIVELY strengthened and modified underneath - extensively. I'm sure there isn't a doubt in any real offroader's mind that the H2 will outperform a Cayenne offroad - maybe not in sheer speed tests, but definitely in trials-like torture tests, the Rubicon, etc. Do a little research before you pull your pistol around here, son. MC > > You take the H2? Shows how much you know. The H2 has NOTHING in > > common with the original Hummer. It's actually a Suburban chassis. > > Talk to any engineer at GM and they'll confirm that. > > I've looked into them. I know plenty. Not to mention that I NEVER said the > H2 could match the H1 offroad (though I think it gets extremely close). ROTFL... you keep telling yourself that. There is NO WAY that the H2 can come close to the H1 in offroad ability. Look underneath. See the axles in the H2? See it in the H1? See the difference? > While the H2 does use the Tahoe-family chassis and drivetrain (and GM does > not hide that fact, you don't have to talk to a GM engineer), it has been Unfortunately, you listen to the GM sales/promotion group. Talk to actual engineers and you'll get a different story. > EXTENSIVELY strengthened and modified underneath - extensively. I'm sure > there isn't a doubt in any real offroader's mind that the H2 will outperform > a Cayenne offroad - maybe not in sheer speed tests, but definitely in > trials-like torture tests, the Rubicon, etc. Please provide links where an unmodified H2 has been compared against a Cayenne in said torture tests, and was proven to be superior. > Do a little research before you pull your pistol around here, son. Considering I know a couple of people that worked on the H2, I'ld say I'm more informed that you could ever hope to be. Hmmm.... Insulting Psycho Mikey. You should change your name to Head Case... Not me! ---------------------------- A force of 300 Spartans stood at the pass of Thermopylae facing 100,000 Persians. The Persians said to them, "Lay down your arms and we will let you live." The Spartans replied, "Come and get them." The Persians tried to reason with them, saying, "Our archers are so many that our arrows will darken the sky." The Spartans answered, "So much the better, then we shall fight in the shade." <snip> > Hmmm.... Insulting Psycho Mikey. You should change your name to Head > Case... > > Not me! Ahh ... I just don't care enough about this issue to dig all over the place for info and don my fencing gear. If I bought a sports car, it would be a Ferrari. If I bought an ... upscale ... off-roader, it would be an H2. I could care less what he owns or wants. He can say what he wants. You sound familiar ... Sweetie says hi! MC >>> You take the H2? Shows how much you know. The H2 has NOTHING in >>> common with the original Hummer. It's actually a Suburban chassis. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Considering I know a couple of people that worked on the H2, I'ld say > I'm more informed that you could ever hope to be. <Yawn> Great kid, you win. Happy? The Enzo would leave the Carrera GT for dead on the road and the track. It has more power and less weight and if you read reports of the Enzo almost all the jounrnalists who have driven it have said that they are the best ever (carbon)brakes on a road car. |
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