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Joe McG - 05 Jan 2004 13:12 GMT
Today I have a 456GTA on test.

Haven't had much opportunity to put it through it's paces yet - busy, it's
raining, etc.

For those interested - it's here:
http://www.dcautomobiles.com/details.php?id=759

I *really* want to like it. But so far, apart from it's looks, I don't.

Now I know why prices drop like a stone.

;-(

(More to follow)

Joe
Paul Duffin - 05 Jan 2004 14:18 GMT
You're (roughly) into 355 prices there! (Although I'm assuming that being
you,  you have some 'deal' going that means you're not paying the full
ticket price).

Paul
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Joe McG - 05 Jan 2004 15:45 GMT
> You're (roughly) into 355 prices there! (Although I'm assuming that being
> you,  you have some 'deal' going that means you're not paying the full
> ticket price).

I would't give you 40K for it.

(So far...)

Joe
Dean For America, 2004 - 05 Jan 2004 20:32 GMT
>> You're (roughly) into 355 prices there! (Although I'm assuming that being
>> you,  you have some 'deal' going that means you're not paying the full
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>
>(So far...)

You're going to tell us why, right?
Dean For America, 2004 - 06 Jan 2004 21:39 GMT
>>> You're (roughly) into 355 prices there! (Although I'm assuming that being
>>> you,  you have some 'deal' going that means you're not paying the full
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>You're going to tell us why, right?

...harrUMPH!!!
Joe McG - 07 Jan 2004 08:22 GMT
> >>> You're (roughly) into 355 prices there! (Although I'm assuming that being
> >>> you,  you have some 'deal' going that means you're not paying the full
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> ...harrUMPH!!!

Nasty cough you've got there fella...

I did start to write some sort of report yesterday morning. However, this
computer reboots at 12noon every day (something to do with the digital
CCTV), so I lost it and couldn't be arsed to start again.

Basically:

I love the styling. Infact, it grows on me the more I look at it. (It's
still parked in my workshop). Bonus points for Mrs McG liking it too...

The interior is crap. The leather is lovely, but the gauges, trim, etc is
horrid. Nasty, plastic imitation metal.  The heater surround panel has
become de-laminated (a common fault) and costs ?500+ to buy. The rear seats
have no headroom. Not poor headroom, like a Mondial, but *no* headroom. I
know this isn't an MPV, but only legless midgets could travel for more than
a few yards. The seat adjustment motors are too slow. The windows can only
be closed with the doors open as the weatherstrips have split. The interior
steams-up, which worries me (heater matrix? <shudder>)
The trim on the passenger airbag cover has rucked-up. Another common fault
on these and 550's. I realise that leather is a natural product, but this
looks poor.
The switches are awful, especially those for hazard lights, mirrors and park
lights. I don't like pop-up headlamps.(spoilt by zenons).

I went to Maranello's  last week and looked at some 456Ms. The interior is
much, much better; although, funnily enough, I prefer the front of the
earlier car.

As far as I could see, you can't turn-off the traction control. This causes
big problems in certain conditions, not to mention spoiling one's fun...

Brakes, steering and suspension are, as expected, terrific - at least during
my limited time behind the wheel. The non-sport damper setting is too soft
though on local roads, with almost no rebound damping. I would worry about
the cost of having to repair/renew a damper or steering rack. I can't
imagine being able to do it cheaply...

I could go on and on, but don't have time at present. What is my problem
with this car? As I said, I *really* want to like it.

Well it just doesn't feel *special*. My Mondial felt more like a Ferrari.

The engine note is too muted and doesn't feel to me like 400+ BHP. This car
feels emasculated. Is it right to want to fit a Tubi on this sort of car? -
it's not a 355 or a Maranello.

It feels not unlike a Jaguar XJS.

I _hate_ the XJS.

Why anybody would spend the thick-end of ?180K on a new one is absolutely
beyond my comprehension. This car is 6/7 years old, has covered 17,000
miles, costs ?100,000.00 less than new, but still doesn't seem like a
bargain. Something's not quite right.

As Paul has pointed out; money-wise, wer're almost in 355 territory.

I haven't dismissed the 456 out of hand. Perhaps if the weather clears-up
and I have a blast later on I'll fall in love. Doubt it.

Sorry for the ramble, I haven't fully woken up yet.

Happy now, deanforamerica ? ;-)

--

Joe
Dean For America, 2004 - 08 Jan 2004 00:16 GMT
>> >>"Paul Duffin" <paul.duffin@dial.pipex.removethisbit.com> wrote in
>message
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>
>Happy now, deanforamerica ? ;-)

Wow...

Any chance you've just found the one Hobbes@ClavinBall owned?
Joe McG - 08 Jan 2004 08:08 GMT
> Wow...
>
> Any chance you've just found the one Hobbes@ClavinBall owned?

Unfortunately, not. (had to Google for that)

Sorry to be so negative, but I was under the impression that the 456
heralded a step-up in Ferrari build quality.

This example doesn't stand even basic scrutiny. Sadly, this sems to be the
rule rather than the exception - a suspicion confirmed by speaking to the
salesman at my local Ferrari main dealer.

I'm off to look at another 456M later today. The later cars are reckoned to
be substantially better. We'll see...

Regards,

--
Joe
Dean For America, 2004 - 09 Jan 2004 16:40 GMT
>> Wow...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Sorry to be so negative, but I was under the impression that the 456
>heralded a step-up in Ferrari build quality.

That what every mag's said...

>This example doesn't stand even basic scrutiny. Sadly, this sems to be the
>rule rather than the exception - a suspicion confirmed by speaking to the
>salesman at my local Ferrari main dealer.

One example cannot prove a rule.  

>I'm off to look at another 456M later today. The later cars are reckoned to
>be substantially better. We'll see...

Good luck.
TigerRace1 - 10 Jan 2004 02:09 GMT
<<One example cannot prove a rule.>>

He didn't claim that it did. He said that this example fits the rule as stated
by a Ferrari dealer.

C.
Joe McG - 10 Jan 2004 09:08 GMT
>> >This example doesn't stand even basic scrutiny. Sadly, this sems to be
the
> >rule rather than the exception - a suspicion confirmed by speaking to the
> >salesman at my local Ferrari main dealer.
>
> One example cannot prove a rule.

Eh? That's more or less what I was saying.
Early cars are poor. This is borne-out by my experience of working on them,
talking to their owners and talking to the people that sell them.

Later cars ('98 on) are a different kettle of fish.
I'm going to look at a couple later. Will keep you posted.
Regards,
--
Joe
Kerry for President - 16 Feb 2004 05:13 GMT
>>> >This example doesn't stand even basic scrutiny. Sadly, this sems to be
>the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>Later cars ('98 on) are a different kettle of fish.
>I'm going to look at a couple later. Will keep you posted.

Whatever, if anything happened here?
Paul Duffin - 17 Feb 2004 18:57 GMT
> Whatever, if anything happened here?

Joe isn't accessing the group often at the moment, however
I think he decided against the 456 due to his disappointment
with the build quality, even with the later cars.

I believe he then started looking at Bentleys...

...of course I could be wrong.

Paul
matt  borland - 18 Feb 2004 03:40 GMT
> > Whatever, if anything happened here?
>
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>
> Paul

Bentleys? Seriously?

Joe just doesn't seem the tea-tray-in-the-backseat type.

Although I s'pose he does fit the Continental R or T massive
torque in a 5000 pound luxury coupe type. Hell, I'd definitely
cruise one of those...

-Matt- "Triumphs, Bentleys, Vincents, damn, I'm a closet angliophile."
Alex - 14 Jan 2004 22:15 GMT
How was the 456M - did you get a chance to compare it to the plain 456?

> > Wow...
> >
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> --
> Joe
J.C. - 08 Jan 2004 09:13 GMT
> The engine note is too muted and doesn't feel to me like 400+ BHP. This car
> feels emasculated. Is it right to want to fit a Tubi on this sort of car? -
> it's not a 355 or a Maranello.

I have already heard a Tubi-equipped 456 at my dealer's. It seemed to me
that the exhaust was much quieter than, for instance, the one which is
on my 355 (not to mention the one I had on the 328 !!!). Apparently,
Tubi adapts the level of noise to the kind of car.

The sound was lovely, though.

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J.C.

TigerRace1 - 05 Jan 2004 22:20 GMT
<<I *really* want to like it. But so far, apart from it's looks, I don't.>>

I've never been impressed with how those cars look, so if it's all downhill
from there, then I wouldn't bother.

C.
MC - 06 Jan 2004 06:24 GMT
> Today I have a 456GTA on test.
>
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>
> Joe

Oooooh .... I LIKE that color.  It actually looks really nice.  They
don't "grab" you like the 512 or 550, but ... it still looks SOLID (as
Undercover Brother) would put it.

MC
gary! - 07 Jan 2004 00:28 GMT
> > Today I have a 456GTA on test.
> >
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>
> MC

when i got my car serviced last week, the shop had this 456 plum coloured
one for sale:

http://www.bobileff.com/ferrari_frame.html

i don't think it was quite that much $$.  i was told that they are not a
good daily driver.
MC - 07 Jan 2004 18:43 GMT
> when i got my car serviced last week, the shop had this 456 plum coloured
> one for sale:
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> i don't think it was quite that much $$.  i was told that they are not a
> good daily driver.

I would love to hear why they say that (specifics).  That color looked a
little lighter than another of my favorites, prugna, but might have been
it.  Looked more like a flat-out purple, yuck.

I always thought that was the identical engine to the Maranello.  And
though I've not driven in one I'm wondering about the "bad daily driver"
bit.  Maybe for people in the back!

;^)

MC
MC - 07 Jan 2004 19:05 GMT
> http://www.bobileff.com/ferrari_frame.html
>
> i don't think it was quite that much $$.  i was told that they are not a
> good daily driver.

Interesting - it's been along time, you'd almost have to go
archive-digging, but I could've sworn Bobileff got savaged a few times
by some Ferrari owners here.  Your experience has been solid?

MC
gary! - 07 Jan 2004 20:37 GMT
> > http://www.bobileff.com/ferrari_frame.html
> >
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>
> MC

he's been ok to me.  i don't have any complaints.  involved detail about
what was the problem and what was fixed when i got it back. cheaper than
symbolic (so i've been told), personal attention. patient, in depth replies
when i go in the anal mode about my car.  and my top reason--of course the
most ilogical--it's close to where i live...
anyone had dealings with symbolic?
there is a new place in town,

http://www.fmsandiego.com/

i haven't been to them yet.  but i did send them an email to ask about some
parts. that was 3 weeks ago and i haven't had a reply yet, or just a
courtesy note saying that they are looking into it.
g
 
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