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Car Forum / Ferrari Cars / January 2004308 project
If been a poster/lurker here for years. In the past I mentioned I would like to do some work to my (not so) good old 308 and maybe some changes. Well, things got a little out of hand, here are the pictures: http://home.tiscali.nl/308gto/index.htm or more easy to remember, but with popup: www.ferrari308.tk I'm not hunting for compliments or approval, nor am I going into discussion with those who disapprove! Just posting my pictures here, enjoy! The thing will probably be ready after my summer holidays, until then I also have no time to answer too many questions. Now grabbing my coat and off to my parents house for a) catching up on the newspapers b) getting a good meal c) work on the car > I'm not hunting for compliments or approval, nor am I going into > discussion with those who disapprove! Unavoidable I'd say considdering the feelings around here.. Making a kit-car is looked down upon, but trashinga actual Ferrari and turning it into a kit-car?? Don't even wanna think about teh response.. Best Wishes Thomas >>I'm not hunting for compliments or approval, nor am I going into >>discussion with those who disapprove! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Best Wishes > Thomas Now, now Thomas, stop it. I've seen other "conversions" where the end-product is referred to as a "real" 288 - no matter how nice they make me sick. What a man chooses to do with his Ferrari is his business, this is not a kit car. You should've eaten a more filling breakfast! MC >> Unavoidable I'd say considdering the feelings around here.. Making a >> kit-car is looked down upon, but trashinga actual Ferrari and >> turning it into a kit-car?? Don't even wanna think about teh >> response.. > Now, now Thomas, stop it. I've seen other "conversions" where the > end-product is referred to as a "real" 288 - no matter how nice they > make me sick. What a man chooses to do with his Ferrari is his > business, this is not a kit car. You should've eaten a more filling > breakfast! He, I was waaaaay off on this one, I suspected a general condemnation, but it never happened :) (I never realy took a stance, just prophecised a heated debatte). Also I failed to note that he keept the emblema and thought he just tried turning one var into another (If I ever got rich and boughta new Ferrari I would probably do some minor customization/personalize it too). As for filling breakfast.. been out of money for a while and food is low so that's not an option right now... Best Wishes Thomas *Backpeddling faster than a Enzo :)* > As for filling breakfast.. been out of money for a while and food is low so > that's not an option right now... Well, you KNOW I know how you're feeling ... MC <<What a man chooses to do with his Ferrari is his business, this is not a kit car.>> Au contraire! This is the worst kind of kit car. This is a Ferrari that's been butchered to look like another Ferrari. It's even sadder than a Fierarri. This is someone who can afford a 308, but isn't content with that. I've got a good friend who has all kinds of toys, from some quite rare Porches to rally cars to a few Ferraris. He's an engineer who's worked with the Porch Factory and drove IMSA for many, many years. He should know better. I give him no end of grief over the fact that he took a 348 and *rebodied* it as a 355. I make rather loud note of his kit car whenever he shows up in it.<g> C. > <<What a man chooses to do with his Ferrari is his business, this is not a kit > car.>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > C. Part of me wants to say the MC who wrote "What a man chooses to do with his Ferrari is his business, this is not a kit car" is not familiar to me. I would normally espouse your view, for some reason I just decided in this case that if Bert wanted to cut up his car that was his business. I suppose he hardened himself before he laid that out anyway. In his case, like your friend's case, they are at least "Ferraris" in more of a sense of the word than the local Bradley GT or Chevy Daytona Vice. Brings me back to this car. To me, this is a Ferrari. To Tiger, this may be a *thing*. I would love to drive it and wouldn't think it was anything else but a Ferrari. A Ferrari *what*, I don't know and I don't care, I call it Bastardo. http://www.ferraris-online.com/cars/34555/34555a.html MC <<Brings me back to this car. To me, this is a Ferrari. To Tiger, this may be a *thing*. I would love to drive it and wouldn't think it was anything else but a Ferrari. A Ferrari *what*, I don't know and I don't care, I call it Bastardo.>> Ferrari tends to put quite a bit of thought and effort into designing such things as suspension and aerodynamics. Slapping new body panels, wheels, etc onto a car doesn't necessarily make it better and can damn sure make it worse. If you want a GTO, then buy one. If you can't afford one, but have a 308, then be grateful and don't destroy the bit of history that you are privileged to caretake for a time. C. "MC" <betterman@pj.com> wrote in message > Brings me back to this car. To me, this is a Ferrari. To Tiger, this > may be a *thing*. I would love to drive it and wouldn't think it was > anything else but a Ferrari. A Ferrari *what*, I don't know and I don't > care, I call it Bastardo. > > http://www.ferraris-online.com/cars/34555/34555a.html I normally dislike modified Ferraris myself, but that one looks to be well done, at least in the pictures. Now, if I went for a drive and the thing just flexed and bump-steered and suffered flat spots from poor fueling I'd say it sucked, no matter how cool it looked on the surface. Funny thing though, I seem to recall some restoration place talking about braided line and AN fittings saying "leave those to the Pantera guys". Seemed funny at the time, and on a stock Ferrari I'd agree, but on this one they look like they were born there. -Matt- :::who knows his -6 from his -4::: "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> schreef > I normally dislike modified Ferraris myself, but that > one looks to be well done, at least in the pictures. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'd say it sucked, no matter how cool it looked on the > surface. Let me tell you what I know of this car: it's an endless money pit. The original build, then the engine rebuild and paint work at Sheehan, then I read about the new owner somewhere that the car needed a lot of work when bought, and still needs endless amounts of tweaking, finetuning, improvements etc. This car is not much on the road. That's what you get when you try to beat a car designed by qualified, expierienced engineers (the GTO). For the total money spent on this, you could have bought a real GTO easily, but the owner is that rich he doesn't care, it's his toy. > "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> schreef > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > GTO). For the total money spent on this, you could have bought a real GTO > easily, but the owner is that rich he doesn't care, it's his toy. See, that's why I usually dislike modified Ferraris. Modified Porsches seem to end up well-sorted, while modified Ferraris end up total turds. I just don't get it. -Matt- "..." <<See, that's why I usually dislike modified Ferraris. Modified Porsches seem to end up well-sorted, while modified Ferraris end up total turds. I just don't get it.>> Talked to my friend that's got the 348 tarted up as a 355 again today. He's got the molds for a 288 and is going to use them on his 308. I can't be seen in public with him anymore. C. > <<See, that's why I usually dislike modified Ferraris. Modified Porsches seem > to end up well-sorted, while modified Ferraris end up total turds. I just don't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the molds for a 288 and is going to use them on his 308. I can't be seen in > public with him anymore. ROFL (!) I. > Let me tell you what I know of this car: it's an endless money pit. The > original build, then the engine rebuild and paint work at Sheehan, then I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > GTO). For the total money spent on this, you could have bought a real GTO > easily, but the owner is that rich he doesn't care, it's his toy. Why don't you just pop my bubble a little harder, huh Bert? Maybe someday I'll be able to pick it up for 13K somewhere - you won't hear ME bitching about it. MC >Let me tell you what I know of this car: it's an endless money pit. The >original build, then the engine rebuild and paint work at Sheehan, then I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >GTO). For the total money spent on this, you could have bought a real GTO >easily, but the owner is that rich he doesn't care, it's his toy. Bert, Wondering, are you planning on doing any other mods, to the suspension of engine? Phil "Phil" <Phil@youknowwheretofindme.com> schreef in bericht > Wondering, are you planning on doing any other mods, to the suspension > of engine? No, no plans there. It runs nice, fast enough for me. The car was a bit lowered before (just springs) and I have to check the ride height when it's ready, removal of the US bumpers, airco and the steel bars in the doors made it a lot lighter, on the other hand the modifications are in steel with a lot of massiv 8x8 mm strengtening rods at the edges, and some filler :-), I guess the car will still be lighter afterwards, but a little raised ride hight wouldn't look to bad. Though the wheels have full clearance and it can be as low as I want. Point of later concern. I will get new front shocks sometime and maybe new polyurethane suspension bushes to make it a bit sharper but with the GTS body it can't be as sharp as my little Alfasud or a GTB. > If been a poster/lurker here for years. In the past I mentioned I > would like to do some work to my (not so) good old 308 and maybe some > changes. Well, things got a little out of hand, here are the pictures: > http://home.tiscali.nl/308gto/index.htm Interesting. Looks like you've done the work well. -Paul (yes, I strongly dissaprove - but credit is due for the technical accomplishment)  SignatureHttp://www.redmist.freeserve.co.uk > > If been a poster/lurker here for years. In the past I mentioned I > > would like to do some work to my (not so) good old 308 and maybe some [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > (yes, I strongly dissaprove - but credit is due for the technical > accomplishment) Indeed, no question about that. But the fact is that I literally felt sick when seeing this <http://home.tiscali.nl/308gto/235.jpg.htm> It's like watching an open-heart surgery documentary on TV SignatureJ."sissy"C. Fascinating. Bert, did you do the welding? Also, what kind of wheels do you have on the car, they look like 17" rims, correct? Phil >If been a poster/lurker here for years. In the past I mentioned I would like >to do some work to my (not so) good old 308 and maybe some changes. Well, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >b) getting a good meal >c) work on the car Also, did you fabricate a new targa top, or snmply paint the vinyl black one red? Phil >Fascinating. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>b) getting a good meal >>c) work on the car > If been a poster/lurker here for years. In the past I mentioned I would like > to do some work to my (not so) good old 308 and maybe some changes. Well, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > b) getting a good meal > c) work on the car To be honest, Bert, you have been around here for a long time, and I have to say this: the one thing about your car that I noticed that, in my opinion, makes you an honest and good man, is that you've kept the "308" emblems on it. You're not lying to the general pub, you're not bullshitting anybody, you're simply driving a modified 308 and you're proud of it. Good for you! That makes you alright in my book!! It looks very nice. (Terribly written but my honest feelings). MC > > If been a poster/lurker here for years. In the past I mentioned I would like > > to do some work to my (not so) good old 308 and maybe some changes. Well, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > (Terribly written but my honest feelings). I'll run with that - I quite like it. I. Thanks for the responses, no surprises found and nice to see all the regulars responded. MC said it best (thanks, your medication is working really well lately!) Tiger is too serious about it, but I already knew her opinion. The finished product will not be a GTO replica, but a modified 308 and be presented as such. It looks GTO-ish because that is the most beautiful Ferrari ever, not because I want to pretend to drive a 300K car. I'm a happy, modest person and the car will be a happy looking car and I will drive it proud, but not in a proud-look at me in my expensive car-way, but in a genuine proud of ownership way. As for the technical questions, I'm doing the welding myself and getting better all the way, now that I'm almost finished I bought a decent welding machine. The wheels are 8x17 and 9x17 Compomotive and the fact they were delivered with the wrong offset was the last push I needed to go ahead with the wider fenders. That and the fact it always bothered me that the right wheelarch was sitting lower than the left one, the left rearlights were vertical while the right ones leaned backward, the fact there was a ton of lead on the right rear wing anyway, and because I found the car ugly with us bumpers, side lights, portruding exhaust, no front spoiler. Why did I buy it in the first place? It was indeed the only one I could afford at that time and I didn't want to wait. Now 5-6 years later I could go for a 348/355/Testarossa but I like a modified 308 much, much more in looks. Also I like the economy, useability and simplicity of the 308 and also I like to save my money and spent it elsewhere. There is no vinyl on the targa roof, it looks like that but it is just black resin on top of the fiberglass. My roof I have sanded smooth and temporarily painted with a roller and the cheapest can of paint from the home improvement store, just like the rest of the car, to test looks and protect against surface rust during the winter months, when I'm doing general maintenance and work on the interior and inner wheelwells, trunk etc. Bert. > MC said it best (thanks, your medication is working > really well lately!) Certainly a matter of some dispute on many fronts .... |
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