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David Halpern - 27 Feb 2004 23:55 GMT
You know I would rather see the red and black gauges of the 288 GTO or the
512 TR than the bland gauges Ferrari puts in the Maranello.

Anyone have any thoughts?

I know I am revealing my Testarossa addiction again but the instruments and
interiors Ferrari has now just don't excite me.

Though the instrument binnacle on the Enzo is kind of cool.

D.H.
REInvestments - 28 Feb 2004 01:20 GMT
> You know I would rather see the red and black gauges of the 288 GTO or the
> 512 TR than the bland gauges Ferrari puts in the Maranello.
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> D.H.

Why would anyone want to hide a Testarossa addiction?

Larry
David Halpern - 29 Feb 2004 07:19 GMT
> > You know I would rather see the red and black gauges of the 288 GTO or the
> > 512 TR than the bland gauges Ferrari puts in the Maranello.
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> Larry

Well it dates me as a Ferrari aficionado and it is derogatory to what
Montezemolot  is trying to do now.

I think he has done a lot for the F1 side of things, and many people tell me
the cars are more coveted than they were in 80's.
I am always nostalgic and stuck in the past it seems.

D.H.
MC - 29 Feb 2004 07:35 GMT
> Well it dates me as a Ferrari aficionado and it is derogatory to what
> Montezemolot  is trying to do now.
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> D.H.

No you're not, hell no.  Look at the continuing booming trade in the
high-dollar 50s/60s models.  For the most part these are not fey
playboys or mere dilettantes buying those cars (OK, maybe Nick Cage),
and not as many greedy hoarders as I'd like to rant about.  These are
passionate - albeit exceedingly wealthy - collectors, and those cars get
driven at exhibitions and vintage events.  You are in fine company.

OK, I've used "albeit" in a newsgroup twice in one night.  Time to put
these little piggies to rest.

MC

jk Nicholas!
REInvestments - 29 Feb 2004 20:19 GMT
> > > You know I would rather see the red and black gauges of the 288 GTO or
> the
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> D.H.

A lot of this is about "touch and feel" and living your dreams.    I'm
considering dumping my S Class Mercedes if I can find a true five seat
restored convertible from the 60s (American Steel) to make into my daily
driver.  I know it won't be as good a car, but it puts me in touch with
designs I loved in my teens, but couldn't afford.

I have an opportunity to trade in my (new to me)  96 Viper for a much better
car in the form of a 2003 Viper at a bargain on the trade, but I'm not going
to do it.   I just like the "look" and the amount of pain the 96 represents
in taking off side windows, leaving the hard top at home, and so on.  It's
the total experience.    To me the 92 Testarossa represents that "look and
feel" although the F355 is the car I'd most like to drive regularly.

Count me in on the fairly modern era "nostalgia" group.
David Halpern - 29 Feb 2004 07:37 GMT
> > You know I would rather see the red and black gauges of the 288 GTO or the
> > 512 TR than the bland gauges Ferrari puts in the Maranello.
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>
> Larry

Well it dates me as a Ferrari aficionado and it is derogatory to what
Montezemolot  is trying to do now.

I think he has done a lot for the F1 side of things, and many people tell me
the cars are more coveted than they were in 80's.
I am always nostalgic and stuck in the past it seems.

D.H.
Kerry for President - 29 Feb 2004 14:45 GMT
>> You know I would rather see the red and black gauges of the 288 GTO or the
>> 512 TR than the bland gauges Ferrari puts in the Maranello.
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>Why would anyone want to hide a Testarossa addiction?

...The Gen2s are ghastly?
David Halpern - 29 Feb 2004 17:59 GMT
> >> You know I would rather see the red and black gauges of the 288 GTO or the
> >> 512 TR than the bland gauges Ferrari puts in the Maranello.
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> ...The Gen2s are ghastly?

Why are they?  I think I like the 512 TR the best.

D.H.
MC - 29 Feb 2004 18:35 GMT
>>>>You know I would rather see the red and black gauges of the 288 GTO or
>
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> D.H.

I think MJF would have preferred that Ferrari stopped model design at
the 250 GTO and just kept making those (better and better, of course).
Can't say I would be too upset, either!

It's kind of funny, because when you see some of these retro cars coming
out now (the Ford GT, the proposed Chevy SS, the Mini, etc.) a case
could be made for a "new" 250 GTO.  You know, same great look on the
outside, same-but-updated gnarly mechanicals and insides.  I've
mentioned this before.  I don't see it happening with any of the major
exotics makers, but it's not like there's no precedent.

MC
Kerry for President - 29 Feb 2004 23:20 GMT
>>>>Why would anyone want to hide a Testarossa addiction?
>>>...The Gen2s are ghastly?
>>
>> Why are they?  

Park a 512 BBi next to a 512 TR and the answer is painfully obvious:

The 512TR styling is dreadful.  The front end is from a Toyota, the
sides inspired by a Taco Bell benchtop cheese grater, and the rear end
was inspired by the fat Anna Nicole Smith.

Add to that a weight problem that would embarrass John Candy (who
wants a mid-engined boulevard-cruiser?), and a marketing program which
almost killed the breed...  The retreading of the Testa Rossa name for
a dedicated stroker-mobile is anathema.

>I think I like the 512 TR the best.

...As you are entitled.

>I think MJF would have preferred that Ferrari stopped model design at
>the 250 GTO and just kept making those (better and better, of course).

The most beautiful car ever made.

>Can't say I would be too upset, either!
>
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>mentioned this before.  I don't see it happening with any of the major
>exotics makers, but it's not like there's no precedent.

288, F40, F50, Enzo...   They've been making "a" GTO in spirit and
fact since '85...  And, while I think Pininfarina missed the mark to
varying degrees with the 512TR, 550/575, F50, and Enzo; there's no
need to raid the baby photos for design inspiration:  They need to
pave over the Zen garden and return to their own roots.
jrjr - 09 Mar 2004 04:01 GMT
>>>>>You know I would rather see the red and black gauges of the 288 GTO or
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>MC

I think the 288 GTO would have been the one to stop with instead of
the 250. Much more car than the 250.
MC - 12 Mar 2004 17:37 GMT
 > I think the 288 GTO would have been the one to stop with instead of
> the 250. Much more car than the 250.

Yes ... and no.  I mean, by what standards?  You could also say the
SR-71 is much more plane than the P-51.

You're talking a thirty year difference.  I think driving either would
be a fantastic experience.

The "Victory By Design" series on SPEED, which I've harped about
already, is a great way to see the differences between the older and
newer cars in a certain marque and yet still appreciate the levels of
performance they brought to their age.

MC
MC - 29 Feb 2004 03:45 GMT
> You know I would rather see the red and black gauges of the 288 GTO or the
> 512 TR than the bland gauges Ferrari puts in the Maranello.
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> D.H.

I believe Maranellos were designed a touch on the bland side so that
when I am driving along in mine and some little rice boy with his
fart-can Supra, or some gizzard chucker in his Dodge Ram R/T, or some
rapper fool in his supercharged Bling-Blingillac with 26" spinners, or
some pompous comb-over bozo in his E500, pulls alongside, I can drop a
couple bland gears, step on my bland accelerator, laugh like a hyena as
they suck my bland exhaust, and then watch them become a speck in my
bland rear view mirror as my very bland speedometer allows me to wet my
pants.

I will always love the 512, but the sleekness yet stealth nature of the
very powerful albeit bland Maranello will continue to be the object of
my desire.

MC
steve - 12 Mar 2004 11:53 GMT
hi all, know nothing about ferraris really but i have a bunch of pics of an
enzo that i saw today, plus pictures of a whole bunch of other ferraris that
were at at meet in m?nster germany.
if anyone wants to see them, ?reply here.

cheers

steve

> > You know I would rather see the red and black gauges of the 288 GTO or the
> > 512 TR than the bland gauges Ferrari puts in the Maranello.
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> MC
 
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