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Car Forum / Ferrari Cars / May 2004Just back from Daytona....
Spent last weekend in Daytona, at the Porsche Rennsport Reunion II. Nice event, lots of historic cars - all the significant race cars were there, along with "40 years of the 911" and of course the new Carrera GT. Why am I mentioning this in the AAF? Well, it's 'cause I have an observation. The Porsche road cars do NOTHING for me. While I wouldn't say no if somebody wanted to give me one, there's just something sterile looking about them. No doubt they are well engineered, fast, and reliable. But put a 911 next to a 308, the Ferrari just has something the Porsche is missing. I prefer the race cars, but even there, the Ferrari's of the same period (and it generally doesn't matter whether I'm looking at the 50's, 60's, 70's, etc.) --- they just look more purposeful, more, well... SEXY or something. I'm a fan of road racing, and it's not that I don't LIKE the Porsche cars, it's just to me, they seem to be missing something. I enjoyed the Cavallino Classic MUCH more than Rennsport - at least I spent a lot more time at Cavallino with my mouth hanging open, at the wonders of TR's and GTO's.... MH <<The Porsche road cars do NOTHING for me. While I wouldn't say no if somebody wanted to give me one, there's just something sterile looking about them.>> Indeed. They are all rather generic looking, little eggs. I just don't get it. C. > <<The Porsche road cars do NOTHING for me. While I wouldn't say no if somebody > wanted to give me one, there's just something sterile looking about them.>> > > Indeed. They are all rather generic looking, little eggs. I just don't get it. > > C. Sold mine this very morning. That's right, the 924S is gone. No Ferrari in the works yet, but there is definitely a motorcycle in my future. Finally, something built this very decade, that goes, stops, and isn't decaying before my eyes. -Matt- "Well, the Audi is kinda decaying..." matt borland <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message news:NACjc.30550$Vp5.18584@fe2.columbus.rr.com... > That's right, the 924S is gone. No Ferrari in the works yet, > but there is definitely a motorcycle in my future. Finally, > something built this very decade, that goes, stops, and isn't > decaying before my eyes. Will this be your first motorcycle? I have about 30 years experience plus ERC, CLASS, and was a ride leader for RATS. I don't want to lecture in case you're already a veteran rider, but if not, then I have some suggestions. Motorcycles will kill you far easier than cars. Larry former 2003 Suzuki GSXR 1000 K3 ( 0 - 60 in 2.6 seconds ) 1996 Dodge Viper RT/10 Skip Barber Viper School Graduate 1999 Mercedes S 420 (but who cares?) >Motorcycles will kill you far easier than cars. Thanks. I just insured my Ducati for the summer... Paul ...You're right, though :-(  SignatureHttp://www.redmist.freeserve.co.uk (Now featuring the a.a.f. directory) > >Motorcycles will kill you far easier than cars. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > Http://www.redmist.freeserve.co.uk (Now featuring the a.a.f. directory) That's why I sold mine and bought the Viper. Which Ducati do you have? I threw a 900 SS down the road with 561 miles on it in 95. Later I had a Monster. Fun bike. But the GSXR 1000 K3 was waaaaay too manic. > Which Ducati do you have? I threw a 900 SS down the road with 561 > miles on it in 95. > Later I had a Monster. Fun bike. Snap. Had a Monster, got a 900SS (the newer shape fairing). Great bike, lots of character and handles beautifully - or should I say 'flatters the rider' ...in somewhat the manner as a Ferrari does. -Paul SignatureHttp://www.redmist.freeserve.co.uk (Now featuring the a.a.f. directory) > > Which Ducati do you have? I threw a 900 SS down the road with 561 > > miles on it in 95. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Http://www.redmist.freeserve.co.uk (Now featuring the a.a.f. directory) After having owned the fastest production motorcycles you can purchase over the counter, changing out exhausts and sprockets, and riding around like a loon, (Honda CBR 929 RR, Yamaha R-1, Suzuki GSXR 1000 K3), if ever I were to go back to motorcycles it would be on one of the following four motorcycles: Ducati Monster (new aircooled, not the 916 engine - don't like the look of the water cooled engine in the exposed trellis frame) Ducati 999 S (a torture rack, but I'd only ride an hour or two if this were the choice) BMW R 1200 GS KTM two cylinder 950 Adventurer And I'd slow down. A lot. Larry > matt borland <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message > news:NACjc.30550$Vp5.18584@fe2.columbus.rr.com... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > case you're already a veteran rider, but if not, then I have some > suggestions. Motorcycles will kill you far easier than cars. I wouldn't consider myself a "veteran", but don't worry, I'm aware of the dangers and I'm not the kid sitting on the ZX10R in the bike shop saying "I rode a quad once. I want this one!" I appreciate the concern though, I know you're not trying to talk down to me. I'm still not sure which bike I'll end up with, but since it's gonna be a cheaper model anyway, I may just hone my skills on a dual purpose bike for a couple years. I like to explore the backroads, and if they turn to gravel I wanna keep going. The streets out here are too torn up to really enjoy a sportbike, and police are everywhere. I figure KLR first, then in a few years one of the heavy standards (Oh, I mean "naked bikes") like the ZRX, Bandit, etc. That's assuming I like the KLR once I've ridden one. If not, then it's all up in the air again. -Matt- "Hijacked another thread! Whoopee!" matt borland <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message news:N3Ojc.2570$ZD3.1991@fe1.columbus.rr.com... > > matt borland <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message > > news:NACjc.30550$Vp5.18584@fe2.columbus.rr.com... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I appreciate the concern though, I know you're not trying to > talk down to me. Absolutely not. One of the problems with Usenet is that you really don't know what other people know, or what their experiences have been. > I'm still not sure which bike I'll end up with, but since it's gonna > be a cheaper model anyway, I may just hone my skills on a dual [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I figure KLR first, then in a few years one of the heavy standards > (Oh, I mean "naked bikes") like the ZRX, Bandit, etc. Or how about the new BMW R1200 GS, or the new KTM Adventurer Twin? Depending on your experience level, and appetite for cost, these are nice bikes. > That's assuming I like the KLR once I've ridden one. If not, then > it's all up in the air again. See above. > -Matt- "Hijacked another thread! Whoopee!" "REInvestments" <nospam@email.com> wrote in message > > I figure KLR first, then in a few years one of the heavy standards > > (Oh, I mean "naked bikes") like the ZRX, Bandit, etc. > > Or how about the new BMW R1200 GS, or the new KTM Adventurer Twin? > Depending on your experience level, and appetite for cost, these are nice > bikes. I like the new KTMs a lot. Too much $$$ for me right now though. Bimmer bikes are Guzzis with saggy tits if you ask me I.... Okay seriously though, I respect the Bimmers but don't aspire to own one. KLR is out. Nobody has one in the friggin' state. Having looked at one up close though it seems I don't fancy it enough to buy one. Again I respect it, just don't want one myself. Gonna be a cheap standard for now, followed by a Moto Guzzi most likely. Love the Guzzis, it's a sickness. -Matt- "..." matt borland <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message news:fOfkc.41456$Vp5.22507@fe2.columbus.rr.com... > just don't want one myself. Gonna be a cheap standard for now, followed > by a Moto Guzzi most likely. Love the Guzzis, it's a sickness. Guzzi owners uniformly love their bikes. I've never owned one, because I tend toward Ducati in my Italian bikes, but the Guzzis are certainly an interesting alternative. Go with whatever you love the most that's within your financial budget. I found that my performance on bikes was always limited by my skills, rather than the bike's abilities. Larry > -Matt- "..." > matt borland <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message > news:fOfkc.41456$Vp5.22507@fe2.columbus.rr.com... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >>-Matt- "..." Got a chance to eyeball the entire Guzzi line at the AMA Superbike races at Fontana a few weeks ago. The V11 Ballabio is a work of art. And man oh man, I always loved the Le Mans Tenni. I have to say, that is one beautiful bike!! MC "MC" <betterman@pj.com> wrote in message > Got a chance to eyeball the entire Guzzi line at the AMA Superbike races > at Fontana a few weeks ago. The V11 Ballabio is a work of art. And man > oh man, I always loved the Le Mans Tenni. I have to say, that is one > beautiful bike!! Assuming their (and Aprilia's) current financial woes are the same "Guzzi on the brink, better tomorrow" situation they're always in, their new products look very interesting. Griso, MGS-01, Breva, good looking stuff. -Matt- "..." <<Motorcycles will kill you far easier than cars.>> Well... you don't always get to die. <eg> C. > <<Motorcycles will kill you far easier than cars.>> > > Well... you don't always get to die. <eg> > > C. Understood. And some people turn misfortune into a car racing lifestyle. I'd just like to do it without the additional challenges you've overcome. I augered in pretty good in '95, throwing away a brand new Ducati, breaking my shoulder in five pieces, plus broken collarbone, plus three busted ribs. Helmet saved my head. I'm fine today, but it took a while to get there. And I consider myself very, very, very lucky. As I'm sure you'd agree. It felt like round 2 might have been on its way. That's when I first showed up talking about Ferraris and got upside down with MC. The Viper works at a price I can afford and still keep the luxobarge for carrying clients. Still miss motorcycles. Found myself looking over a new one, and checking in on the moto newsgroups quite a bit lately. Never a good sign. > Still miss motorcycles. Found myself looking over a new one, and checking > in on the moto newsgroups quite a bit lately. Never a good sign. If you're a Peter Egan reader at all, you'll know that he's talked of this feeling and behavior often (with both bikes and cars) and has just decided to stay in with both feet. I would agree. For me, I think bikes are great and I love to watch them racing, listen to them, see them on the street, etc. I just happen to have a short but brutish history with the smaller-sized motorized two-wheel vehicles that tells me *exactly* what my future would be with the big bikes, and I've decided to respect that feeling fully. I can handle, and have had great fun with, most forms of three and four-wheel vehicles. I panic on motorcycles. That's why I'll never ride one. But if I could, I would want an old Norton Commando and a Confederate Hellcat. To start with. MC <<I'd just like to do it without the additional challenges you've overcome.>> *Overcome* nothin'. I just deal with it. Some days better than others. <<And I consider myself very, very, very lucky. As I'm sure you'd agree.>> *Luck* is relative, but I know what you mean. <<Still miss motorcycles. >> Me too, but I'm easily distracted by the race cars. <g> C. > <<I'd just like to do it without the additional challenges you've overcome.>> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > C. Agreed. Just took the Viper Club day at Skip Barber. Just when I was feeling pretty quick, I took the instructor ride. I was amazed at what those guys coujld do with the Viper SRT-10s. Fun. I'm thinking about taking the three day race course this summer if time permits. <<Just when I was feeling pretty quick, I took the instructor ride. I was amazed at what those guys coujld do>> I know that feeling. My Crew Chief is still a couple of seconds faster than me in the Mustang. My times have been coming down, but... so have his. C. |
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