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Pyrus Malus [EChMotor#512] - 28 Sep 2004 11:18 GMT
Including the new Ferrari F430.

http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/

Greetings from Paris.

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EChMotor #512
http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org
'81 Fiat X 1/9 Five Speed, amarillo, un carro mui bueno tiene buendesenpe?o
buena aselerasion i una espectacular caja quisiera una opinion de este
ferrari f430 y el porche 911 sober el desenpe?o de belosidad i estabilida

matt  borland - 28 Sep 2004 13:45 GMT
> Including the new Ferrari F430.
>
> http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/
>
> Greetings from Paris.

Great pics!

-Matt- "..."
MC - 29 Sep 2004 01:53 GMT
> Including the new Ferrari F430.
>
> http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/
>
> Greetings from Paris.

Those are very good pictures.  I like that Alfa Romeo piece, I'm
assuming it's a concept?

However, if those shots of the "audio systems" are an indicator of the
future of car audio, I can only laugh.  I wouldn't be caught dead or
voluntarily within 100 yards of any vehicle sporting such gear.  What a
sh.t box.  I sneer at cars like that, and their owners, whenever they
pass me by.  Joke-of-the-century, new-world-order bullhorns for foolios,
posers, and tone-deaf aggro boys who are in desperate need an a.s kicking.

MC
F2004: 14 of 16* - 29 Sep 2004 02:41 GMT
>> Including the new Ferrari F430.
>> http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Those are very good pictures.  I like that Alfa Romeo piece, I'm
>assuming it's a concept?

8C "Competizione", tube framed, based on the Maserati Coupe
drivetrain.

>However, if those shots of the "audio systems" are an indicator of the
>future of car audio, I can only laugh.  I wouldn't be caught dead or
>voluntarily within 100 yards of any vehicle sporting such gear.  What a
>sh.t box.  I sneer at cars like that, and their owners, whenever they
>pass me by.  Joke-of-the-century, new-world-order bullhorns for foolios,
>posers, and tone-deaf aggro boys who are in desperate need an a.s kicking.

Oh dear...  Nothing like a Norwood TR then?

http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/imagepages/image36.html
...Headlights designed in a vacuum and just tacked on to the latest
project, or "just me"?

Pininfarina has got to clean house, and embrace Italian design yet
again, everything they do lately has GLARING styling flaws.
MC - 29 Sep 2004 04:30 GMT
> 8C "Competizione", tube framed, based on the Maserati Coupe
> drivetrain.

Thank you.

>>However, if those shots of the "audio systems" are an indicator of the
>>future of car audio, I can only laugh.  I wouldn't be caught dead or
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Oh dear...  Nothing like a Norwood TR then?

Hell no.  This is a completely different issue - brimming with its own
problems, certainly, but still entirely alien compared with the issue of
the NTR.  That, to me, is a performance issue; had I thought the NTR was
no different than a Fiero-arri I would have shown the same kind of ire I
reserve for things like that.  Can you believe it's the same brand of
ire I pour out freely for doofuses who think that 29 large speakers
producing bass so loud it can't actually even be heard inside their car
(though it makes all the metalwork on the vehicle flap, flex, and
rattle) is a cool thing and completely socially acceptable.

You can't know how many dickheads I have watched pull up to a stop
light, open any window that isnh't already opened, and then turn it up
super loud for the duration of the stop period?  As soon as they pull
away the windows go up and the sounds go down.  Now what was the purpose
of the little traffic-light display?  In my opinion, it was a plea for a
bullet to the back of the head.  But that's just my opinion.  Others
would probably answer differently.

BTW, enough with the "polemic", already.  There will be no profligate
ten-dollar-word tossing around here.

> http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/imagepages/image36.html
> ...Headlights designed in a vacuum and just tacked on to the latest
> project, or "just me"?

I agree ... and then they show up again, visually butchered, on the C6
Corvette, and I have to work to control the gag reflex.

I just can't get around the new V8 model, to me the entire 360 Modena
line and all its offshoots could be erased from the History of Ferrari
and it wouldn't be a big loss.

To me, I said.

> Pininfarina has got to clean house, and embrace Italian design yet
> again, everything they do lately has GLARING styling flaws.

Evidently that Alfa Romeo 8C was done in-house?  Centro Style?  That's a
fine filly.  Maybe Ferrari needs to bust out the cookie jar and head
over to Alfa for a little raid ...

(here's a link w/some nice hi-res photos)

http://www.italiaspeed.com/news_2003/frankfurt_report/alfa_romeo/8c_official_ind
ex.html


MC
J.C. - 30 Sep 2004 10:52 GMT
> I agree ... and then they show up again, visually butchered, on the C6
> Corvette, and I have to work to control the gag reflex.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> To me, I said.

Well, I was on the Ferrari stand yesterday, and I must say that the F430
is far better "in the flesh" than in the photos. The pictures make it
appear as a mere restyling of an already arguable design (I never liked
the Modena).

In real it is a beautiful car, looking smaller than it is, with an
impression of strength and performance. Specially in silver grey
(http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/imagepages/image33.html). Even
though I think it's a pity that all Ferraris are now better in grey or
black than in red.

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J.C.

MC - 30 Sep 2004 11:55 GMT
>>I agree ... and then they show up again, visually butchered, on the C6
>>Corvette, and I have to work to control the gag reflex.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> though I think it's a pity that all Ferraris are now better in grey or
> black than in red.

And I admit that I spewed hatred for the Enzo all over the place until I
saw one in the flesh and being thrased around in some videos.  The
"real" can be pretty visceral, so I will reserve final judgement (for my
own edification anyway), but until then I consider it open season.

MC
J.C. - 30 Sep 2004 12:41 GMT
> > Well, I was on the Ferrari stand yesterday, and I must say that the F430
> > is far better "in the flesh" than in the photos. The pictures make it
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> "real" can be pretty visceral, so I will reserve final judgement (for my
> own edification anyway), but until then I consider it open season.

Yup, I followed the same path as far as the Enzo is concerned.

But is is true that these cars need some efforts to like them, whereas
many previous Ferraris (or the Maranello) have that "obvious" beauty
which provokes love at first sight.

There also is the 612 Scaglietti on display at Paris Motor Show. Even
after a long look at it, I definitely don't like it.

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J.C.

Pyrus Malus [EChMotor#512] - 30 Sep 2004 16:42 GMT
> There also is the 612 Scaglietti on display at Paris Motor Show. Even
> after a long look at it, I definitely don't like it.

I haven't even taken a picture of it...... I must say that I don't remember
the exact colour, but I think I've seen other 612 better looking than the
one exposed.

By the way...... i'm invited to Lamborghini stand, maybe a tour on a
Roadster for next week...... :-D

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Pyrus Malus
EChMotor #512
http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org
'81 Fiat X 1/9 Five Speed, amarillo, un carro mui bueno tiene buendesenpe?o
buena aselerasion i una espectacular caja quisiera una opinion de este
ferrari f430 y el porche 911 sober el desenpe?o de belosidad i estabilida

Paul Duffin - 01 Oct 2004 08:56 GMT
>Even
> though I think it's a pity that all Ferraris are now better in grey or
> black than in red.

What on earth are you talking about???

http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/imagepages/image34.html

Much nicer

(Salut J.C.!)

Paul
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J.C. - 01 Oct 2004 10:31 GMT
> >Even
> > though I think it's a pity that all Ferraris are now better in grey or
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> (Salut J.C.!)

Salut Paul,

Just a matter of personal taste, then.

> Much nicer

http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/imagepages/image45.html

Yeah, right ;-)

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J.C.

MC - 01 Oct 2004 14:26 GMT
>>Much nicer
>
> http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/imagepages/image45.html
>
> Yeah, right ;-)

The rims look a bit better there .... odd.

MC
J.C. - 01 Oct 2004 17:24 GMT
> >>Much nicer
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> The rims look a bit better there .... odd.

Rims, what rims ?!? Oh, um, yes. Actually they are very much Enzo-esque,
like the rear :

http://www.motorimania.it/anteprima/ferrari.enzo/index.shtml

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J.C.

Pyrus Malus [EChMotor#512] - 01 Oct 2004 16:31 GMT
> Yeah, right ;-)

I take this:

http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/imagepages/image68.html

Obviously.

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Pyrus Malus
EChMotor #512
http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org
'81 Fiat X 1/9 Five Speed, amarillo, un carro mui bueno tiene buendesenpe?o
buena aselerasion i una espectacular caja quisiera una opinion de este
ferrari f430 y el porche 911 sober el desenpe?o de belosidad i estabilida

Tifosi308 the Serial Number Geek - 01 Oct 2004 16:56 GMT
>[EChMotor#512]"

>I take this:
>
>http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/imagepages/image68.html

Both the car and the "model" belong in the 80s...

T308
F2004: 14 of 16* - 05 Oct 2004 18:51 GMT
>>[EChMotor#512]"
>>I take this:
>>
>>http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/imagepages/image68.html
>
>Both the car and the "model" belong in the 80s...

The car - Hideous.  The model - "Roaring Twenties".
Mike Costello - 01 Oct 2004 22:20 GMT
Ooo la la!

She could make any car look good.

But I'll bet she's an untenable, unstable, cocaine-addicted, power-hungry
supermodel-wannabe.  Most definitely not worthy of my golden attentions.

MC

> > Yeah, right ;-)
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Obviously.
F2004: 14 of 16* - 05 Oct 2004 18:54 GMT
>Ooo la la!
>
>She could make any car look good.
>
>But I'll bet she's an untenable, unstable, cocaine-addicted, power-hungry
>supermodel-wannabe.  

...

...Deep breaths Mike.  ...Take deep breaths.

They're not _all_ keening whores.
MC - 06 Oct 2004 01:24 GMT
>>Ooo la la!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> They're not _all_ keening whores.

Whenever I take deep breaths, I swoon, pass out, and find myself right
in the middle of a C.S. Lewis novel.  So I try to avoid breathing
anything that doesn't have smoke in it.

As far as the car show girls, the umbrella girls, all models, Paris
Hilton, etc.  To me they are all "keening whores" (I like that, btw).
And you know the old saying ... "If you're never going to be with one,
hate their guts!"

Well, you probably don't know it, because I made it up.

But that's my prerogative, as a card-carrying member of the do-nothing,
contribute-nothing, living-out-the-string Disabled Americans Club.  If
I'm not able to concentrate on the things I should be doing with my
life, then there's nothing better than mastering the art of being a
loutish oaf all the time!

MC

- Cue the Bobby Brown -
TigerRace1 - 06 Oct 2004 03:03 GMT
<<As far as the car show girls, the umbrella girls, all models, Paris Hilton,
etc.  To me they are all "keening whores" >>

Jealous much? And what do you think of my Flag Boys?

C.
MC - 06 Oct 2004 06:06 GMT
> <<As far as the car show girls, the umbrella girls, all models, Paris Hilton,
> etc.  To me they are all "keening whores" >>
>
> Jealous much? And what do you think of my Flag Boys?
>
> C.

I love Flag Boys.  I want them to feed me pastrami while they shave my legs.

MC
TigerRace1 - 06 Oct 2004 09:20 GMT
<<I love Flag Boys.>>

Don't tell my Crew chief, but my Flag Boy at Road Atlanta was way cute. Wish I
had a pic.

C.
Tifosi308 the Serial Number Geek - 07 Oct 2004 05:35 GMT
TigerRace1 wrote..

>Don't tell my Crew chief, but my Flag Boy at Road Atlanta was way cute. Wish
>I
>had a pic.

What about your flag boy at Sebring??

T308
(Who is hurt....)
TigerRace1 - 07 Oct 2004 20:31 GMT
<<What about your flag boy at Sebring??>>

That was a loooooong time ago. What have you done for me lately?

C.
matt  borland - 07 Oct 2004 22:20 GMT
> <<What about your flag boy at Sebring??>>
>
> That was a loooooong time ago. What have you done for me lately?
>
> C.

Yeah I hear that flag-boy was underdressed for the occasion.

Bit of a habit with him, I'm told...

-Matt- "I can't use 'Fop'! I'm a Dapper Dan man!"
Tifosi308 the Serial Number Geek - 18 Oct 2004 03:54 GMT
"matt borland" wrote...

>Yeah I hear that flag-boy was underdressed for the occasion.
>
>Bit of a habit with him, I'm told...

You are no longer my buddy.

T30dressed to the nines
matt  borland - 18 Oct 2004 03:59 GMT
> "matt borland" wrote...
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> T30dressed to the nines

Hey buddy, you seem grumpy.

Someone buy this man an ice cream, maybe a
doughnut!

Next thing you know you'll be speaking german
and discussing Liberace's sexual preferences...

Wait a minute...

-Matt- "Nobody cares that the Pope is getting a Ferrari?"
Tifosi308 the Serial Number Geek - 19 Oct 2004 05:57 GMT
"matt borland" wrote...

>Hey buddy, you seem grumpy.

If you were in the middle of my travel schedule of 12 meetings in 14 days you'd
be grumpy too.  Right now I'm in Tucson.  Tomorrow Albucracky.  After that, El
Paso. You think I'm grumpy now, wait until the end of the week!  

>Someone buy this man an ice cream, maybe a
>doughnut!

When you get to Guinness, stop.  I'll take that.

>Next thing you know you'll be speaking german
>and discussing Liberace's sexual preferences...
>
>Wait a minute...

Hey, blame my friend Julie for comparing Porsche owners to Liberace!

T30ifitsmondayitmustbetucson08
(Who wants to go home...)
F2004: 15 of 17* - 19 Oct 2004 13:47 GMT
>>Next thing you know you'll be speaking german
>>and discussing Liberace's sexual preferences...
>>
>>Wait a minute...
>
>Hey, blame my friend Julie for comparing Porsche owners to Liberace!

Uhm...  No...  Not really so much.
Tifosi308 the Serial Number Geek - 18 Oct 2004 03:53 GMT
TigerRace1 wrote....

>That was a loooooong time ago. What have you done for me lately?

I was never invited back.  

T308
(Who's hurt..)
TigerRace1 - 18 Oct 2004 19:44 GMT
<<I was never invited back. >>

Oh, don't even get me started.

<<T308
(Who's hurt..)>>

Seriously. Don't.

C.
matt  borland - 06 Oct 2004 14:49 GMT
"MC" <nothingman@pj.net> wrote in message

> I love Flag Boys.  I want them to feed me pastrami while they shave my legs.
>
> MC

See, sh.t like that makes me want to jam a pencil into
my eyeballs to stop the images...

-Matt- *shudder*
MC - 07 Oct 2004 03:32 GMT
matt borland wrote:

> "MC" <nothingman@pj.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> -Matt- *shudder*

Score!  MC.

MC
matt  borland - 06 Oct 2004 03:27 GMT
"MC" <nothingman@pj.net> wrote in message

> But that's my prerogative, as a card-carrying member of the do-nothing,
> contribute-nothing, living-out-the-string Disabled Americans Club.  If
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> - Cue the Bobby Brown -

"Ain't nobody humpin' around"...?

Oh, the "prerogative" bit, I get it...

-Matt- "Stop beatin' Whitney! She's crazy, but stop it!"
MC - 06 Oct 2004 06:13 GMT
matt borland wrote:

"Stop beatin' Whitney! She's crazy, but stop it!"

Damn right!!  Besides, we know who's paying for all that crack and
chronic.  All *his* money goes to bail, fines ... and his other ho's.

MC
MC - 01 Oct 2004 14:22 GMT
>>Even
>>though I think it's a pity that all Ferraris are now better in grey or
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Paul

Doesn't do it for me.  Those rims look like they belong on a BMW, too.

MC
Tifosi308 the Serial Number Geek - 01 Oct 2004 17:05 GMT
Vignale used to design wonderful Ferraris.  Now they do this....

http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/imagepages/image53.html

T308
TigerRace1 - 01 Oct 2004 19:55 GMT
<<Vignale used to design wonderful Ferraris.  Now they do this....

<A
HREF="http://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/imagepages/image53.html">http
://pyrus.escharlamotor.org/mondial/imagepages/image53.html</A>>>

Heh. That's an ugly little bugger.

C.
 
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