You and Mark might have to unite in a little municipal terrorism ....
though I admit to watching the last couple NeckCAR races with some
enthusiasm (still a Jeff Gordon fan ....)
from today's LA Times:
THE NATION
NASCAR Looks to Get on Track in New York
The sport seeks a Staten Island site, but many officials in the Big
Apple aren't sweet on the idea.
By Elizabeth Jensen
Times Staff Writer
December 5, 2004
NEW YORK — The symbolism wasn't even subtle as already holiday-choked
midtown Manhattan traffic ground to a halt for blocks so that NASCAR
race cars could parade up Madison Avenue, the real and mythical road
that leads to American advertising dollars.
Logo-covered cars were everywhere in the city last week, and their
drivers were spotted out and about in the city, in contrast to the
sport's normal racing season, when local fans have to travel hours to
Dover, Del., or Pennsylvania's Poconos to see their idols.
Although the song lyrics promise you can "make it anywhere" by
conquering New York, NASCAR has the opposite problem. In recent years,
sport officials have succeeded in distancing NASCAR from its
moonshine-running roots in the rural southeast, transforming it into a
fast-growing marketing vehicle with plenty of big-city presence
nationwide, but there is one glittering prize that still eludes them:
New York.
Even having uber-New Yorker Donald Trump kick off the Thursday "Victory
Lap," as NASCAR dubbed it, and an advertising blitz on hot dog umbrella
stands, coffee cups and street signs couldn't compensate for what those
involved with the sport really want: A local racetrack.
Officials of International Speedway Corp., a Daytona Beach, Fla.,
company that owns and operates many of the sports' tracks, dream of an
80,000-seat home in one of the city's five boroughs with a view of the
Manhattan skyline as a backdrop — a criteria for sites they considered.
They settled on a 675-acre site on Staten Island, and took the first
official step last week by filing paperwork "to begin the process for
land use approvals," said John Graham, vice president of business
affairs for the International Speedway. It would be at least 2009 before
the track would open, he said.
Some of New York's more traditional sports have similar grand plans.
Sharply worded ads for and against a new 75,000-seat West Side Manhattan
stadium for the New York Jets, who now play in New Jersey, air on local
TV stations. The New Jersey Nets basketball team is eyeing a 19,000-seat
Brooklyn home. And Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg jetted off to Croatia on
Friday to make a personal sales pitch for New York's bid to host the
2012 Summer Olympic games.
Many elected officials, including Bloomberg, have been lukewarm to
International Speedway's track idea, questioning whether the traffic
congestion it would cause on race days is a good trade-off for the
thousands of jobs company officials say would be created.
Bloomberg said at a community meeting in September that he was skeptical
that auto racing would be a good fit for Staten Island. His spokesman
didn't return calls for comment.
"There's going to be opposition, as there is to any large development,"
said Brian France, chairman of NASCAR and whose family founded the
sport. "You just have to work through the issues."
Friday night in front of the posh Waldorf-Astoria hotel, where NASCAR's
annual awards banquet was about to start, fans with autograph books
ogled 2004 NASCAR Nextel Cup winner Kurt Busch's blue Ford Taurus as
other New Yorkers barely broke stride.
"That's a racing car, yeah," a man said to a woman as they brushed past,
holding hands. A family of tourists ignored the car to pose for a
picture with the hotel awning.
But NASCAR does have a New York fan base; about 3.4 million homes in the
New York-New Jersey-Connecticut area tuned in to February's Daytona 500
race broadcast on Fox, Graham noted, and NBC's new "Nightly News" anchor
Brian Williams is a fan.
Still, although TV ratings for NASCAR have soared overall in recent
years, "the ratings in New York are quite a bit lower than the national
average," said Mark Schweitzer, senior vice president of marketing at
Nextel Communications Inc., the wireless phone company that paid a
reported $750 million over 10 years to take over title sponsorship of
the sport this year from Winston, the cigarette brand.
"Our experience has been that people are much more likely to become fans
who will tune in if they have actually experienced a race," Schweitzer said.
NASCAR officials also want a physical presence in the city for the
access it would mean to one very coveted subset of area residents: big
company executives who control the marketing dollars that make the cars
go round.
"We're heavily dependent on Fortune 500 companies to invest in the
sport, and more are located in the New York area than anywhere," France
said. "It's the largest area for density of population, it's the No. 1
media market, it's the No. 1 business market and the No. 1 consumer market."
A push into New York and other urban areas risks alienating longtime
fans. Although admiring the France family's business instincts and its
opinion that the sport would do well in New York, NBC's Williams noted
the dangers in the recent closing of some longtime southern tracks,
saying "that old expression comes to mind: 'Go with who brung you to the
dance.' "
And even New York fans have felt a change as the sport's popularity has
grown.
Dan Brown, 37, a residential tree cutter, and his 13-year-old son Daniel
traveled from Toms River, N.J., on Friday night to catch sight of the
drivers at the Waldorf-Astoria. Longtime fans, they had come to the city
three other days during the week for NASCAR events. He said that a
decade ago, when the sport was less well known, he could chat with his
favorite drivers.
"Now they're rushing them right in" to the black tie event, Brown said
of the drivers' growing celebrity standing.
Daniel had his own complaint. He waited in line a couple of hours
Thursday for autographs from drivers Kasey Kahne, Ryan Newman and Jamie
McMurray only to see them pack up and leave just as he got to the front
of the line. "I was flippin' out on the guy" organizing the autographs,
Daniel said of his disappointment.
As a consolation, organizers hooked Daniel up with another driver,
Martin Truex, who autograph his jacket.

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matt borland - 05 Dec 2004 22:45 GMT
"MC" <betterman@pj.net> wrote in message
> Friday night in front of the posh Waldorf-Astoria hotel,
They certainly have good taste...
-Matt- "If you have the means, I highly recommend it." Ferris Bueller
Harold Adrain Russell Philby - 08 Dec 2004 05:58 GMT
>"MC" <betterman@pj.net> wrote in message
>> Friday night in front of the posh Waldorf-Astoria hotel,
>They certainly have good taste...
...Probably the first and last time "NASCAR" and "good taste" ever
shared any conceptual proximity, of any kind.
Harold Adrain Russell Philby - 08 Dec 2004 05:57 GMT
>You and Mark might have to unite in a little municipal terrorism ....
>though I admit to watching the last couple NeckCAR races with some
>enthusiasm (still a Jeff Gordon fan ....)
If they build it they might include an F1-level infield road circuit,
a la Indy, and the Big Apple Grand Prix might finally come to
fruition.
...It be worth the redneck circle-jerk.
MC - 09 Dec 2004 09:52 GMT
>>You and Mark might have to unite in a little municipal terrorism ....
>>though I admit to watching the last couple NeckCAR races with some
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>
> ...It be worth the redneck circle-jerk.
Never been to a circle-jerk I didn't like ...
MC

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matt borland - 09 Dec 2004 12:47 GMT
> > ...It be worth the redneck circle-jerk.
>
> Never been to a circle-jerk I didn't like ...
>
> MC
The Circle Jerks, now THAT was a band.
-Matt- "We all gotta duck when the sh.t hits the fan."
MC - 09 Dec 2004 16:42 GMT
matt borland wrote:
>>>...It be worth the redneck circle-jerk.
>>
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>
> -Matt- "We all gotta duck when the sh.t hits the fan."
SI! Saw 'em at the Inland Invasion in San Bernardino a couple years
ago. They're still cooking, Matt. I think they'll still be cooking
even when they're all in wheelchairs. Punk never dies.
M

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TigerRace1 - 09 Dec 2004 21:49 GMT
<< I think they'll still be cooking even when they're all in wheelchairs.>>
Hmm...
C.
matt borland - 10 Dec 2004 03:11 GMT
> << I think they'll still be cooking even when they're all in wheelchairs.>>
>
> Hmm...
>
> C.
Owned.
-Matt- "Poor guy has athlete's tooth."
Harold Adrain Russell Philby - 08 Dec 2004 06:04 GMT
>You and Mark might have to unite in a little municipal terrorism ....
>though I admit to watching the last couple NeckCAR races with some
>enthusiasm (still a Jeff Gordon fan ....)
If they build it they might include an F1-level infield road circuit,
a la Indy, and the Big Apple Grand Prix might finally come to
fruition.
...It would be worth the ignominy of a local redneck circle-jerk.