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Car Forum / Ferrari Cars / January 2005

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Chino Cherokee - 25 Jan 2005 15:57 GMT
Different question this time....

Famous Ferraris

HP per Pound??

TIA,

-Bob

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Harold Adrian Russell Philby - 25 Jan 2005 19:19 GMT
>Different question this time....
>Famous Ferraris
>HP per Pound??

It is your lucky day Bob, I've screwed up a knee and am home
evaluating pain medications!

F2000: 0 .62, Ferrari Formula One, 2003 David Bull.

F2004:  >0.68

...Normally expressed as lbs/hp in the US:  1.61, <1.47.

Ironically, recent F1's are going to yield the only reliable figures
(we know they ballast the cars up to the FIA minimum) as published
Ferrari road car weight figures are notoriously unreliable; it seems
there are at least three accepted industry and/or journalistic
"standards" for weighing an empty car, and they don't at all seem to
be reliably applied.  The initial figures supplied by Ferrari often
seem to be "bone dry", which, when coupled with large coolant, fuel,
and oil capacities, frequently yields deceptively low weight numbers
as compared to reported "as tested" weights, which then often include
additional unknown and unquantified test apparatus values.

A similar situation existed in published horsepower figures - brake,
gross, SAE, DIN - which seems to have resolved only with the advent of
worldwide emissions compliance.

Per arguendo (lb/hp):

250 GT Swb - 8.82

275 GTB/4 - 7.72 (has to be a bone-dry weight value)

365 GTB/4 - 9.71^, 10.03^^

365 GTB/4 Spider - 10.29, "with full tank"

512 BBi - 10.37, "with full tank"

308 GTB - 11.41, 1979 "with full tank" (Iirc, the 1979's had
completely fictitious horsepower claims.)

355 Spider - 8.77, 8.91'

288 - 7.26, 6.40*

F40 - 5.78, 5.07*

F50 - 5.21, 5.29*

550 - 7.68**, 550' - 8.17

575 - 7.41**, ^^, 8.04'

360 CS - 7.42'

Enzo - 4.63*, 4.97''

Ferrari, 1995 Konemann  
* Evo
** FORZA
' C & D
'' R & T
^Classic & Sports Car 2000, ^^2004

FORZA routinely reports both lower weight and higher power numbers
(direct from Ferrari no doubt, and probably Euro figures)  than other
publications:  If they actually do any independent objective testing
at all I'd be staggered.

Euro versions no longer have any emissions advantage (the 49-state
F-40 initially had more power than the Euro versions) but do still
enjoy a weight advantage due to US crash and safety requirements.
Chino Cherokee - 25 Jan 2005 20:35 GMT
> It is your lucky day Bob, I've screwed up a knee

SUPER!!!

;-)

> F2000: 0 .62, Ferrari Formula One, 2003 David Bull.
>
> F2004:  >0.68
>
> ...Normally expressed as lbs/hp in the US:  1.61, <1.47.

Awesome!

> Per arguendo (lb/hp):

> F50 - 5.21, 5.29*

Delightful!

> Enzo - 4.63*, 4.97''

Fantastic!

333??

Thanks again Millie!!  (Shirley)

-Bob
Harold Adrian Russell Philby - 25 Jan 2005 22:42 GMT
>333??

I think Autoweek may have done a test once...

From the Konemann book - <2.92 lb/hp.

What's your thing with the 333SP about?

330 P4 - 3.92 "dry weight"

312PB - 3.28 "dry weight"

512M - 3.36 "curb weight"

>Thanks again Millie!!  (Shirley)

<voice=Jack Benny>

"...Now cut that out!"

</>
Chino Cherokee - 25 Jan 2005 22:56 GMT
> >333??
>
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>
> What's your thing with the 333SP about?

It's how I'm going to die.

On my 100th birthday they're going to wheel me out to a runway.   333sp
comes down the runway at about 195.

Euthanasia, Ferrari style!

-Bob
Harold Adrian Russell Philby - 25 Jan 2005 23:49 GMT
>"Harold Adrian Russell Philby" <home.office@kremlin.co.ru> wrote in message
>> >333??
>> I think Autoweek may have done a test once...
>> From the Konemann book - <2.92 lb/hp.

..."Curb weight".

>> What's your thing with the 333SP about?
>It's how I'm going to die.

...Most likely 'chronic estrogen poisoning', for me.
Harold Adrian Russell Philby - 28 Jan 2005 13:33 GMT
>365 GTB/4 - 9.71^, 10.03^^
>^Classic & Sports Car 2000, ^^2004

365 GTB/4 - 8.9, 9.6*

R & T 10/1970, "Curb Weight, lb 3600, *Test weight 3885",
Euro spec.
Harold Adrian Russell Philby - 29 Jan 2005 15:47 GMT
>>365 GTB/4 - 9.71^, 10.03^^

1550kg (3417lb)^, 3530lb^^

>>^Classic & Sports Car 2000, ^^2004
>
>365 GTB/4 - 8.9, 9.6*
>
>R & T 10/1970, "Curb Weight, lb 3600, *Test weight 3885",
>Euro spec.

"Weight (dry)      kg      lb
(Europe)    1280*    2822
(US)         1543    3402

* Later berlinettas with steel doors had a kerb {sic} weight (with
fuel, oil and water) of 1600kg (3527lb)"

Original Ferrari V-12, 1999 MBI

...Just to "clear" things up.

That 2822lb figure must be the (aluminum bodied?) 275 GTB-based
prototype's weight.

Like I said at the start of all this:  The published values of
Ferraris' weights are notoriously unreliable and inconsistent.

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