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Car Forum / Ferrari Cars / April 2005[OT] $259,500, "Seven product recalls/advisories since [its June '04] launch"*...
The new 2005 Ford POS... http://www.heritageclassics.com/ford/05gt/Page.html ..."$259,500". About $100k over sticker, and getting it. "ONE OF THE FIRST TWENTY GTs AVAILABLE WITH ALL SEVEN RECALLS COMPLETED"!!! LOFL... ..."ALL SEVEN RECALLS COMPLETED", "$259,000". * http://www.blueovalnews.com/2005/advisory/lane.gtengseatbelt19feb05.htm http://www.blueovalnews.com/2004/recalls/recall.ford.gt.19dec04.htm F2004: 15 of 17*·** wrote: <<http://www.blueovalnews.com/2004/recalls/recall.ford.gt.19dec04.htm>> BlueOvalNews.com is the last place I would go to get accurate info on Ford. The info they published on our race program was flat out wrong. I don't know about any of the other recalls, but I know that the problem with the suspension pieces is that they were manufactured out of spec. They didn't build what Ford asked them to build. They haven't actually had any problems with them, but since the quality isn't what was contracted for, they are recalling them just to be on the safe side. Of course, that doesn't explain how they got on the cars in the first place. C. >F2004: 15 of 17*·** wrote: ><<http://www.blueovalnews.com/2004/recalls/recall.ford.gt.19dec04.htm>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >of spec. They didn't build what Ford asked them to build. They haven't >actually had any problems with them, http://tinyurl.com/4tkkz "Back in December, inspectors had found cracks in some cars control arms, and Ford asked all owners not to drive their cars until the company could replace the parts," >but since the quality isn't what >was contracted for, they are recalling them just to be on the safe >side. http://www.qv500.com/news07.php >Of course, that doesn't explain how they got on the cars in the >first place. ...POS, is JOB1. My daily driver is a 02 Viper with a Roe Supercharger kit. I catch a lot of crap from the Ford Klan that the GT is a better car. Granted Viper has had a few recalls, but nothin on the scale of the GT. My Viper buries the Gt for 175 grand less. Funny as hell... ar50tr...@gmail.com wrote: <<I catch a lot of crap from the Ford Klan>> That's not even funny. << My Viper buries the Gt for 175 grand less. Funny as hell...>> It'll outrun a Ferrari too. So what? C. I agree on the "So What" I don't abuse any of my cars. But for some reason a lot of gear heads make an issue out of top speed. I had some idiot at a car show say his riced out Supra could beat my stock 512. Big f.cking deal. It's still a Supra. You can sprinkle glitter on a turd and it's still a turd. He and I had what must have been a 2 hour argument over whether or not his Supra qulaified as a supercar. I don't know about you, but a supercar leaves the factory as a supercar. It's a class of vehicle. Lambo, Aston, Ferrari, Viper are supercars. A Supra no matter what you put on it is not a supercar... I don't care if any car goes 200 miles an hour. I don't intend on driving mine that fast. That idoits Supra will never hold the passion of my Ferrari...ever. >It's a class of vehicle. Lambo, Aston, Ferrari, Viper are supercars. ...One of those things is NOT like the others. If your implying Viper is no super car as your posting history suggests, you are incorrect. It is by definition a supercar. Deny it if you like but facts are facts. >If your implying Viper is no super car as your posting history >suggests, you are incorrect. It is by definition a supercar. Deny it >if you like but facts are facts. LOFL F2004: 15 of 18*·** wrote: Instead of being ignorant, could you explain why you mistakenly categorize Viper as a non supercar when it meets all the requirements and is insured and sold as such? You posting history of anti Viper posts does explain a lot. But you are indeed on shaky ground if you truly believe that Viper is not a genuine Supercar...because plain and simple it is. It would be nice to know if you base your opinion on any facts or if it's just more America bashing. >F2004: 15 of 18*·** wrote: >>LOFL >Instead of being ignorant, could you explain why you mistakenly >categorize Viper as a non supercar when it meets all the requirements >and is insured and sold as such? You posting history of anti Viper >posts does explain a lot. Oh, dear me... Have I offended Tupperware-upholstered truck-engined shitwagon-engineered "sport scars" again? >But you are indeed on shaky ground if you >truly believe that Viper is not a genuine Supercar...because plain and >simple it is. LOL. ...Nice "argument", Skippy. >It would be nice to know if you base your opinion on any facts or if >it's just more America bashing. LMAO F2004: 15 of 18*·** wrote: > >F2004: 15 of 18*·** wrote: > Oh, dear me... Have I offended Tupperware-upholstered truck-engined > shitwagon-engineered "sport scars" again? Not sure what your driving at. But it seems to just be an eneducated response. I don't know what tupperware upholstered means, but many poeple don't like sliding out of leather seats at speed. Even though Viper does come with leather. So I can only figure your not very familiar with the vehicle. The car is engineered just fine as it's resell value and road racing performance show. > LOL. ...Nice "argument", Skippy. It's not an argument. It's a fact Viper qulifies as a supercar. Your posting history shows a closed minded attitude and strong hostory of trolling. Not sure who skippy is. How about we compare income statements? > LMAO At this point I guess your just a sycophant. Again, can you give some detail as to why you think Viper is not a genuine supercar. When it is. Does it bother you that an oil change with filter is only 25 bucks? Does it bother you that Viper is far more reliable than other supercars. Or is it just anger that it's an American supercar (most likely)? > trolling. Not sure who skippy is. How about we compare income > statements? OK, sorry, but now I have to say something. What in Earth does ones income have to do with if a car is a super car or not? I have barely none, does that mean that the Ferraris I love is lesser cars? What's with this "mine is bigger than yours" as arguments for just about anything? Best Wishes Thomas *TIRED* It's more a poking the beehive with a stick. I get this type of hated on a daily basis. I made a good future foy myself on Internet stocks and deal with a.ses all the time bitter that I am 32 years old and work only to stay busy. Lord knows I don't need the money. I live off the interest my savings generates. Typically when I get a sycophant responding with comments like those here. It's good to get to the underlying cause for their hate speech. It's usually economics or politics. In this case I think it's a little of both. >It's more a poking the beehive with a stick. I get this type of hated >on a daily basis. Bloody Freudians ...Always blaming mother. >I made a good future foy myself on Internet stocks >and deal with a.ses all the time bitter that I am 32 years old and work >only to stay busy. Lord knows I don't need the money. I live off the >interest my savings generates. ...Sure you do. >Typically when I get a sycophant Please define "sycophant" for us, I don't think you're using it quite correctly. >responding with comments like those here. ...Curse me, and my easy command of uncompromising objective facts. >It's good to get to the underlying cause for their hate speech. LOL "Hate speech"??? ...You poor, oppressed, cracker dumbfuck. >It's usually economics or politics. In this case I think it's a little of both. Work that psych degree, Jethro! > ...You poor, oppressed, cracker dumbfuck. 'cracker dumbfuck' ? I've no idea what it means, but it sounds good. MCPD >"F2004: 15 of 18*·**" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote >> ...You poor, oppressed, cracker dumbfuck. > >'cracker dumbfuck' ? > >I've no idea what it means, but it sounds good. Crack-er (kràk´er) noun: 3. Offensive. Used as a disparaging term for a poor [ignorant] white person of the rural, especially southeast United States. >F2004: 15 of 18*·** wrote: >> >F2004: 15 of 18*·** wrote: >> Oh, dear me... Have I offended Tupperware-upholstered truck-engined >> shitwagon-engineered "sport scars" again? >Not sure what your driving at. Quelle surprise. >But it seems to just be an eneducated [SNIGGER] >response. I don't know what tupperware upholstered means, Read out loud as I type: Upholstered with Tupperware. ...Course, mean, unrefined, cheap and shabby. >> LOL. ...Nice "argument", Skippy. > >It's not an argument. It's a fact Viper qulifies as a supercar. LOFL ...High school in your town stopped at the third grade? >Your >posting history shows a closed minded attitude and strong hostory of >trolling. "Does not suffer fools, tends to giggle, pees noisily...." >Not sure who skippy is. Everyfool, Skippy. >How about we compare income statements? "My dad can beat up your dad"? That's what you've got? ...Cut to the chase and slap it out, stud. >> LMAO > >At this point I guess your just a sycophant. ...Just kind of liked the sound of that one, did you? > Again, can you give some >detail as to why you think Viper is not a genuine supercar. 1) It has a friggin truck engine. 2) It has an interior by Fisher-Price (appropriate I suppose). 3) A chassis tuning philosophy outdated in the 1950's. 4) Crude, unrefined, and unsophisticated. Compared to even a Corvette it is a four-wheeled Neanderthal. 5) It has a friggin truck engine, FFS. & c. >When it is. "...Uhn-uh." >Does it bother you that an oil change with filter is only 25 >bucks? Does it bother you that Viper is far more reliable than other >supercars. ...A _pick-up_truck_ engine. >Or is it just anger that it's an American supercar (most likely)? There is no American "supercar". Americans don't build "supercars", Americans build Potemkin image boosters to get the rubes into the showrooms to buy crappy K-car derivatives and Cobalts... ..."Supercar": Lamborghini Miura, Countach, Ferrari Daytona, 288, F40, F50, Enzo, Porsche 959, Carrera GT, McLaren F1... ..._Not_ supercar: Corvette, Viper, every Ford. > ..._Not_ supercar: Corvette, Viper, every Ford. GT40 ? (the original) MCPD >"F2004: 15 of 18*·**" <Ron.Dennis@LyingCheatingSwine.com> wrote >> ..._Not_ supercar: Corvette, Viper, every Ford. > >GT40 ? (the original) Racecar. ...Another beast entirely. (And another proletarian engine wearing a aeuropean suit.) Thanks for the clarificatrion. I was pretty sure it was anti american bias. Now you have confirmed that. You are entiltled to you opinion even if it is wrong. Corevette is indeed no supercar. I have had that debate back and forth. But by definition Viper is a supercar. You may think it chides us to bash America. But we are very used to it. Keep in mind you using am American invention (Internet/Usenet) to bash us. Now that's funny. You are using an American product (Whatever OS is on your computer) to bash US. America kept Hitler from ruling you. We are giving you the Euro in hopes that we won't have to continue to prop up your economies. If you didn't hate us, that would mean we weren't the ruling superpower any longer. So your actually doing us a favor being a bigot. I own cars other than Viper, so bashing it doesn't mean crap to me. it just show's your close minded. Yes, American muscle cars are a different beast indeed. But Viper is a Supercar by definition. hell it even say so on my insurance card :-) Cheers <ar50troll@gmail.com> wrote in message You may > think it chides us to bash America. But we are very used to it. Keep > in mind you using am American invention (Internet/Usenet) to bash us. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If you didn't hate us, that would mean we weren't the ruling superpower > any longer. So your actually doing us a favor being a bigot. Errrrr, noob? The guy you're speaking to is an American. Kinda takes the bite out of your comeback there... -Matt- "..." ><ar50troll@gmail.com> wrote in message >You may [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Kinda takes the bite out of your comeback there... Yeahhh. *That's* the part... >Thanks for the clarificatrion. I was pretty sure it was anti american >bias. Now you have confirmed that. You are entiltled to you opinion >even if it is wrong. Corevette is indeed no supercar. I have had that >debate back and forth. But by definition Viper is a supercar. OK... Despite knowing better, I'll bite: By which definition? ...Has Webster recently published an appendix for the under-endowed? >You may think it chides us to bash America. But we are very used to it. ...For bloody good reason. >Keep >in mind you using am American invention (Internet/Usenet) to bash us. >Now that's funny. You are using an American product (Whatever OS is on >your computer) to bash US. America kept Hitler from ruling you. Listen carefully, Jethro: I live, was born and raised, in New York state, USA. ...And while Hitler's U-boats did indeed get a lot closer to Long Island than they ever did to West Crackerville, _you_ didn't do sh.t to prevent Hitler from ruling _anyone_. >We >are giving you the Euro in hopes that we won't have to continue to prop >up your economies. Unbelievable... The US "gave" the EU the Euro? ...Read that in Baby's Big Pop-Up Book of World History did you? >If you didn't hate us, that would mean we weren't the ruling superpower >any longer. So your actually doing us a favor being a bigot. You got me Jethro, I must confess: I *am* prejudiced against overcompensating blowhard imbeciles. ...Being a proud US citizen, overcompensating blowhard dumbfuck-American imbeciles are particularly galling. >I own cars other than Viper, so bashing it doesn't mean crap to me. it >just show's your close minded. Yes, American muscle cars are a >different beast indeed. But Viper is a Supercar by definition. ...Have "we" shown that yet? I mean to the satisfaction of anyone who can even *spell* "syllogism"? (Please don't try, a word like that could kill *you*.) >hell it even say so on my insurance card LOFL ...It "say so", do it? Thanks for the laughs, Jethro. F2004: 15 of 18*·** wrote: <<OK... Despite knowing better, I'll bite: By which definition?>> Yeah, I've been wondering that myself. Of course, I'm also wondering what the Hel *LOFL* is supposed to mean. C. F2004: 15 of 18*?** wrote: <<OK... Despite knowing better, I'll bite: By which definition?>> >Yeah, I've been wondering that myself. Of course, I'm also wondering >what the Hel *LOFL* is supposed to mean. I'm guessing it's 'Lots Of f.cking Laughs' , which I further suppose to be intended to render the otherwise generally harmless 'LOL' somewhat aggressive. I believe that this was covered on the second day of the course at the 'Happy New Yorker School of Charm' that Mark attended. for further information: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/fwordflash.html MCPD >F2004: 15 of 18*·** wrote: ><<OK... Despite knowing better, I'll bite: By which definition?>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I'm guessing it's 'Lots Of f.cking Laughs' , Laughing Out f.cking Loud, is how I've heard it. >which I further suppose to >be intended to render the otherwise generally harmless 'LOL' somewhat >aggressive. Works for me! >I believe that this was covered on the second day of the course >at the 'Happy New Yorker School of Charm' that Mark attended. Ah... Me old Alma Mater... Where ever did the years go? Goddamn you, Mark. Just when I'm ready to sharpen another blade on you because I think it's necessary, you come up with one of the funnier slams I've ever read. AR50, stay around. Pay him no mind. He won't stop lobbing shells even if you started praising him. Cut back on the typos, though. Makes you look bad, and Mark eats that up like filet. MC F2004: 15 of 18*·** wrote: >>Thanks for the clarificatrion. I was pretty sure it was anti american >>bias. Now you have confirmed that. You are entiltled to you opinion [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > Thanks for the laughs, Jethro.  SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon Ummmm .... he's an American. Lives in the US. Just doesn't like the cars. MC > Thanks for the clarificatrion. I was pretty sure it was anti american > bias. Now you have confirmed that. You are entiltled to you opinion [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > it even say so on my insurance card :-) > Cheers SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon Please stay around. He is an acquired taste. MC F2004: 15 of 18*·** wrote: >>F2004: 15 of 18*·** wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > LMAO SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Welcome! MC > You can sprinkle glitter on a turd and it's still a turd. SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon >> You can sprinkle glitter on a turd and it's still a turd. > >Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Welcome! "Dude"... He's just sprinkling turds with glitter, and then declaring them to be "supercars". In a different subject, yes. These days, as messed up as I am all on my own, I try - TRY - to give somebody the benefit of the doubt (or at least a sideways glance) before I crucify them. This particular gentleman, as far as some of the other things he said regarding the Viper ... iffy. Proof of Ferrari ownership? Maybe, probably enough for me - it's not like I have a garage full. Necessary for him to be here? No. Anything he can do to save himself from Frusciante Excavation and Demolition? Apparently, not a chance. This same thing happened with Larry. I admit Larry was a bit more communicatively skilled than AR50 appears to be - but that will even out over time if he sticks. (Note to AR - "mother" insults don't fly here no matter what's said to you.) Anyway, I ended up liking Larry quite a bit. We still stay in touch outside the group. He got pretty much roundly thrashed here for liking Vipers and for asking questions we didn't like. The thrashing started with me but ended with most of the rest of us. You know what? In the end it doesn't mean much, but the fact that there's give and take is what's important - as long as it retains even the slightest hair of civility. Sure, I've spent my time here with the Caps Lock on; when it comes to spewed expletives, I'm probably going to found the Hall of Fame for this group. But, compared to what is (or is not) going on around me, and all of us, this is tiny potatoes and not worth pitchforking every imagined intruder over. Here in Wasteland the only places people fight over anything are the Copenhagen and Skoal racks at Circle K - and yet I *still* walk around with my bad-game face on looking for a scrap. Do we learn nothing that easily? MC (Mikal is the exception - where he been? We get rid of him that easily that most recent last time?) >>>You can sprinkle glitter on a turd and it's still a turd. >> >>Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Welcome! > > "Dude"... He's just sprinkling turds with glitter, and then declaring > them to be "supercars". SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon >>>>You can sprinkle glitter on a turd and it's still a turd. >>>Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Welcome! >> "Dude"... He's just sprinkling turds with glitter, and then declaring >> them to be "supercars". > >In a different subject, yes. He's an ignorant blowhard. >These days, as messed up as I am all on my >own, I try - TRY - to give somebody the benefit of the doubt (or at [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Anything he can do to save himself from Frusciante Excavation and >Demolition? Apparently, not a chance. ...Cut me some slack, I've been horribly "eneducated". >This same thing happened with Larry. I admit Larry was a bit more >communicatively skilled than AR50 appears to be - but that will even out [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >fact that there's give and take is what's important - as long as it >retains even the slightest hair of civility. You enjoy taking sh.t from these posturing boasting bloated Punchinellos? >Sure, I've spent my time here with the Caps Lock on; when it comes to >spewed expletives, I'm probably going to found the Hall of Fame for this [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >*still* walk around with my bad-game face on looking for a scrap. Do we >learn nothing that easily? My condolences. I had hoped your relocation would be salubrious and salutary. I guess I should be more grateful: My world is rather genteel, I only meet genuine incorrigible pigs on usenet. >(Mikal is the exception - where he been? We get rid of him that easily >that most recent last time?) I don't see any substantive distinction between this pathetic Troll, and "Mikal": A pig is a pig is a pig. F2005: 0 of 1 a écrit : >>>>>You can sprinkle glitter on a turd and it's still a turd. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > I don't see any substantive distinction between this pathetic Troll, > and "Mikal": A pig is a pig is a pig. test Test2 Tintin a écrit : > F2005: 0 of 1 a écrit : > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >> > test Good Lord. Seeing you fine there, bubby! Let 'er rip!! Don't forget to snip! M > Test2 Michael Delaney a écrit : > Good Lord. Seeing you fine there, bubby! Let 'er rip!! Don't forget > to snip! > > M > >> Test2 test3 Michael Delaney a écrit : > Good Lord. Seeing you fine there, bubby! Let 'er rip!! Don't forget > to snip! > > M > >> Test2 test3 Michael Delaney a écrit : > Good Lord. Seeing you fine there, bubby! Let 'er rip!! Don't forget > to snip! > > M > >> Test2 test3 OK, so you really are: 1. a pathetic script kiddie 2. a clueless child with big eyes whose frere last hit Send button before going off to evacuate his bowels 3. a Level -752 troll balancing his Brothers Grimm in his other hand 4. Mikal 5. Somebody who knows freako MC will be the only one riled up by this 6. Somebody who is honestly having trouble with his French ISP's newsreader (you know the kind that looks like it's solid but craps out as soon as it's called into action) My money's on 5, naturally, but I have to go now so I can watch Inside Nextel Cup. Keep 'em coming, youngster. The appropriate reaction is sure to haunt you forever. As my good friend Michael Waltrip would say, "There's probably something you can put on the barbecue and the measure level will go back to two liters, right Sterling?" MC > Michael Delaney a écrit : > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> > test3 SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon As Lawrence Taylor once said, straddling a crumpled Ken O'Brien after swooping in for an almost-too-easy sack: "Son, y'all got to do a lot better than that." M (at least remember to snip before you drip) > test SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon >As Lawrence Taylor once said, straddling a crumpled Ken O'Brien after >swooping in for an almost-too-easy sack: > >"Son, y'all got to do a lot better than that." You can imagine my delight, can't you? ...Just the persistence of the subject makes me smirk. >>As Lawrence Taylor once said, straddling a crumpled Ken O'Brien after >>swooping in for an almost-too-easy sack: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ...Just the persistence of the subject makes me smirk. When I first saw that on NFL Films I almost cried I laughed so hard. Naturally I lean more toward Butkus/Singletary, geographic loyalty and all that, but in the end LT will always be remembered as in the top 5 of all time if not higher - and that's on top of a LOT of cream of the crop linebackers. I think he could have been the No. 1 if the 'ol "personal life struggles" hadn't interfered. I think I heard somewhere that he actually invented cocaine .... :-) MC SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon > My condolences. I had hoped your relocation would be salubrious and > salutary. I guess I should be more grateful: My world is rather > genteel, I only meet genuine incorrigible pigs on usenet. I'm not really sure what I should have expected. However, every night I go outside for a smoke, or just to go out, and I look at the sky. Millions of stars. I mean MILLIONS. The air is crisp, cold, and clean. I hear almost no noise at all. So each night I get to realize that no matter the intelligence quotient of the local unwashed, I am still 1000% better off than in the putrid gangbangaquarium in which I struggled to make a life. Hell, these days I sometimes leave the house forgetting my knife! I don't have a Heckler & Koch catalog on my nightstand any more! (Wait, that's just because I can't find it ...) M SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon >> My condolences. I had hoped your relocation would be salubrious and >> salutary. I guess I should be more grateful: My world is rather [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Millions of stars. I mean MILLIONS. The air is crisp, cold, and clean. > I hear almost no noise at all. That sounds pretty damn sweet to me. Get yourself a big-a.s Cassegrain and do a little time travel. >So each night I get to realize that no >matter the intelligence quotient of the local unwashed, I can't go a week even in Bermuda without craving the New York Times. >I am still 1000% >better off than in the putrid gangbangaquarium in which I struggled to >make a life. ...That which does not kill us, and all. >Hell, these days I sometimes leave the house forgetting my >knife! I don't have a Heckler & Koch catalog on my nightstand any more! > (Wait, that's just because I can't find it ...) ...That's a shame, because I think you can own all the MP-5s you feel you need out that way. > That sounds pretty damn sweet to me. Get yourself a big-a.s > Cassegrain and do a little time travel. The funny thing is, I've been watching the stars ever since I was a kid on a purely rank-amateur basis. As in, I know I see constellations, maybe a galaxy or two up there but don't know which ones, can recognize some planets, like to head up into the hills when the Pleiades and Leonids hit, etc. Interested but lazy. I was here during the Leonid last year and counted over 60 shooting stars in maybe 25 mins. before my neck stiffened up and I had to go inside for some more tawny port to fix it. Even in my neighborhood we have a touch of light pollution. Zoning is still primeval and there's a few residential dunderheads, too, with those pesky annoyances, outside lights. (Hell, we've got one too - probably brighter than a Skytracker ... we put it up after we found a light bulb wedged under one of our vehicles. Imagine that - ooooooohhh, scary! Somebody failed vandalism school.) I turn it off when I go outside at night to gaze. The point of all that babble - there are probably a thousand places in the local hills, all within 20 minutes, that offer totally dark star viewing. But that name you gave up there just reeks of "most expensive telescope ever made". That's your style. I don't even want to look it up - because I want YOU to give me the name of one or two brands that are less expensive but still good for the doesn't-even-have-a-star-chart guy like me. Maybe down the road I'll get the one with the Bentley hood ornament that can hone in on a Martian's toe jam. So, do you dare help me with a little tele tip on the down low? Are we talking Tasco? Of course I can search, etc. But why not get a little intel from an apparent expert? Besides I can't sleep anyway. It was either Jill Kelly or answer your post. Don't you feel special? MC SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon [...] >The point of all that babble - there are probably a thousand places in >the local hills, all within 20 minutes, that offer totally dark star >viewing. But that name you gave up there just reeks of "most expensive >telescope ever made". That's your style. "Let others say what they may, speak of me as you find." - Brian Jones >I don't even want to look it >up - because I want YOU to give me the name of one or two brands that >are less expensive but still good for the doesn't-even-have-a-star-chart >guy like me. Maybe down the road I'll get the one with the Bentley hood >ornament that can hone in on a Martian's toe jam. So, do you dare help >me with a little tele tip on the down low? Are we talking Tasco? http://www.starizona.com/basics/sct.html >Of course I can search, etc. But why not get a little intel from an >apparent expert? Besides I can't sleep anyway. It was either Jill >Kelly or answer your post. Don't you feel special? ...I might if I knew who Jill Kelly is. Celestron is a well known brand with a large range of products. www.celestron.com > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 01:15:31 -0700, Michael Delaney > "Let others say what they may, speak of me as you find." - Brian Jones [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Celestron is a well known brand with a large range of products. > www.celestron.com Thanks for the info. Jill Kelly is a blonde who can suck the chrome off a tailpipe. M SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 01:15:31 -0700, Michael Delaney >> "Let others say what they may, speak of me as you find." - Brian Jones [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Thanks for the info. Jill Kelly is a blonde who can suck the chrome off >a tailpipe. ...An over-rated "talent", really. >>>On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 01:15:31 -0700, Michael Delaney >>>"Let others say what they may, speak of me as you find." - Brian Jones [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ...An over-rated "talent", really. OK, then name your poison. I know most of 'em. There isn't a man in this world who doesn't have at least a passing fancy or porn - not even a priest. Especially priests. I'm sure you go for the intelligent types like Monica Belluci. But I'll tell you what, Asia Carrera is the one. She's probably been around a bit by now, but she's a member of Mensa and she does all her own website work, including UNIX and full web programming. She's pretty damn smart. I always liked the Asians anyway, but Ms. Carerra is expecially attractive because of her intelligence and her candid nature. http://www.asiacarrera.com/ M (no, this is not alt.pornstars.recommendations) SignatureYou tell 'em I'M COMING! And HELL'S COMING WITH ME! You hear? HELL'S COMING WITH ME!! > http://www.starizona.com/basics/sct.html > www.celestron.com These are excellent links. Is there any model you recommend in the lower end price range? Do you like the Celestrons? How do you go - Newtonian, Dobsonian, etc. or strictly the Cassegrain type design? I could buy a point-a-to-point-B car for what one of their lower-end models cost. M SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon >> http://www.starizona.com/basics/sct.html > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >could buy a point-a-to-point-B car for what one of their lower-end >models cost. If you're coming from "nothing" you might want to start with a _good_ set of binoculars, they have other uses should you decide stargazing really isn't your thing. http://tinyurl.com/yqdp2 Think _at_least_ "7 by 50's" to start, the best you can afford, if you can find some with a tripod mount the better... Real bargains can be found at yard sales, swap meets, etc. ...If you get addicted you'll be trading-up telescopes for the rest of your life. >>>http://www.starizona.com/basics/sct.html >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > ...If you get addicted you'll be trading-up telescopes for the rest of > your life. There you go again. Zeiss. You don't do anything even one-quarter a.s, do you? I would be thinking Bushnell (chicken) and you go Zeiss (foie gras). Must be nice to have a good salary. Thanks for the tips, though. M SignatureYou tell 'em I'M COMING! And HELL'S COMING WITH ME! You hear? HELL'S COMING WITH ME!! >>>>http://www.starizona.com/basics/sct.html >>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >do you? I would be thinking Bushnell (chicken) and you go Zeiss (foie >gras). Poor analogy, I hate foie gras: it's cruel, it's fowl offal, and it's hard to spell. I had some American Sturgeon roe last night, not bad at a third the price of recently UN-embargoed Caspian Sea stuff, but not the same at all either. >Thanks for the tips, though. Inexpensive optics are a false economy: You need clean and clear, and want to see EVERY photon that enters the device. Astronomy is all about light gathering, and stuff that's perfectly acceptable for a sunny July afternoon at 125m could be quite useless at 4am and a thousand light-years away. I have a Leopold 3x9 on my heavy-barrelled .308, which I use just once a year to eviscerate golf balls from a distance: Buy good, buy once. These guys have a Newtonian Celestron PS 76 for $130: http://www.parsonsfoto.com/telescopes.html, that can't hurt too much. Spend another $70 and get the larger one: PS 114. If you live overlooking a nudist camp you should consider a large refractor. >>>>>http://www.starizona.com/basics/sct.html >>>> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > If you live overlooking a nudist camp you should consider a large > refractor. VERY excellent tip! I will be checking those out. $200 would be about the limit for a starter, but I trust your judgement on the matter. Funny about the gun - I wish I could remember the scope brand, but I was looking at a friend's WWII-vintage Mauser rifle, and the scope he had on it allowed me to focus exact-sharp on a tin can sitting on a guy's fence five blocks away. I could have pinged it without a problem, because my friend had fixed a tripod mount on it. Of course, it was not loaded. Thanks again. I actually don't eat foie gras myself, I'm not comfortable with the process either. The funny thing you were saying about Caspian Sea - that body of water is now so polluted, and the poachers have practically every large sturgeon there is, that the prices have gone through the roof for product that isn't nearly as good as it used to be. M SignatureYou tell 'em I'M COMING! And HELL'S COMING WITH ME! You hear? HELL'S COMING WITH ME!! Why do you call it that? That is one awesome car. Explain so I can cut you down as much as possible. MC F2004: 15 of 17*·** wrote: > The new 2005 Ford POS... SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon
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