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Car Forum / Ferrari Cars / April 2005Hola! I'm back from Barcelona!
Not sure if I said we were off (my laptop died), but anyway... Nice to see some activity in here. I owe many e-mails, but for now: Mikey! Got your package!!! Thanks! You da man. I suppose I'd better get scanning all the pics so I can put 'em up. T308 - Did you ever get that 'loose ends' e-mail I sent you? Tiger - Are you EVER going to e-mail me again? Matt - Our best... you know what I'm saying Iaiaiaiaiain - I'll call you today! Blimey! Gotta go to work. -Paul > Mikey! Got your package!!! Thanks! You da man. I suppose I'd better get > scanning all the pics > so I can put 'em up. > -Paul Thanks! I hope the CD burns play OK. I've had some negative comments on the burns I've made with my Windows system. My psuedo-Linux system seems to burning CDs pretty well. Whether or not you like the content is immaterial. Did I not send you one or two of the Punk-O-Rama volumes? It's great music to smash up your house to. I'd give you call right now, but I imagine you're kind of busy. I've been indulging in little of that Johnny Blue the Generous T308 sent to me. (That is his new title from now on.) M  SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon > I'd give you call right now, but I imagine you're kind of busy. I've > been indulging in little of that Johnny Blue the Generous T308 sent to > me. (That is his new title from now on.) Why thank you. Glad you're enjoying it! GT308 >> I'd give you call right now, but I imagine you're kind of busy. I've >> been indulging in little of that Johnny Blue the Generous T308 sent to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > GT308 Actually, you caused me to be a pretty bad boy tonight. Whipped out an Arturo Fuente, had several fingers of the Blue, sat outside and (what else) gazed at the stars for a couple hours. But, a Ferrari question did hit me while I was out there. My favorite "Victory by Design" is the Ferrari one, of course. And near the end, De Cadenet gets to take a short spin (longer on the DVD, I'm sure) in an absolutely orgasmic yellow Drogo-bodied P3 (I *think* it's a P3). But I have never been able to find good photos, let alone wallpaper-quality stuff, of any of the Drogo-bodied models. Were they really that rare? Are they all still in existence? I hear stories about Eddie Van Halen and Nick Mason having a couple each of those, but there are never any pictures anywhere. Even Sheehan never has one for sale, or Symbolic. Do any of you illustrious tifosi possess such pictures of these things? I don't think there's any on your site, Thomas. I've looked a lot of places. Of course, right now I couldn't find a bowling ball if somebody put it on my keyboard. However, that's nobody's business but me and Johnny Blue's. M SignatureYou tell 'em I'M COMING! And HELL'S COMING WITH ME! You hear? HELL'S COMING WITH ME!! >>> I'd give you call right now, but I imagine you're kind of busy. I've >>> been indulging in little of that Johnny Blue the Generous T308 sent to [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I don't think there's any on your site, Thomas. I've looked a lot of >places. ...P4, wuddn't it? >>>>I'd give you call right now, but I imagine you're kind of busy. I've >>>>been indulging in little of that Johnny Blue the Generous T308 sent to [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > ...P4, wuddn't it? Yes, it was - went back and checked my tape. Sure wish I could get a pic of it, though. SignatureYou tell 'em I'M COMING! And HELL'S COMING WITH ME! You hear? HELL'S COMING WITH ME!! >> ...P4, wuddn't it? >> >Yes, it was - went back and checked my tape. Sure wish I could get a >pic of it, though. This ain't it: http://www.carclassic.com/model.asp?Marque=Ferrari&Model=P4 ...I don't think I will ever spit enough to get the rancid out. >>>...P4, wuddn't it? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ...I don't think I will ever spit enough to get the rancid out. Yeah ... that is pretty much abominable, as far as what it really is. But it looks good enough for my purposes, which was WALLPAPER. All I want is one 1024x768 of that yellow beauty Alain is fondling. Can't some of the rich bastards that own the real P3s and P4s take their hands off their w.nks long enough to snap a tasty pic for my computer screen? C'mon GUYS!! It's only a 17" monitor, for chrissakes! MC SignatureYou tell 'em I'M COMING! And HELL'S COMING WITH ME! You hear? HELL'S COMING WITH ME!! >>>>...P4, wuddn't it? >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >off their w.nks long enough to snap a tasty pic for my computer screen? > C'mon GUYS!! It's only a 17" monitor, for chrissakes! Blue pills, was it? Guy's who own a real P4s ($10-, $15Million?) aren't here, they're managing their portfolios. ...that one's a FAKE, Mike. Like Pam Anderson's tits: The proportions not quite right and the innards quite unreal. > Blue pills, was it? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ...that one's a FAKE, Mike. Like Pam Anderson's tits: The > proportions not quite right and the innards quite unreal. I know it's a fake. All I wanted was a wallpaper, and an approximation is OK as long as it looks close. It doesn't surprise me that you would not even deign to grace your monitor with a wallpaper of something not genuine, but at that point I didn't care. However, you did fix that up kind of nicely with the one you sent. And I know it's not in your garage. Or is it? BTW - the blue pills aren't working, either. MC SignatureI like it - I'm not gonna crack I miss you - I'm not gonna crack I love you - I'm not gonna crack I killed you - I'm not gonna crack >>> I'd give you call right now, but I imagine you're kind of busy. I've >>> been indulging in little of that Johnny Blue the Generous T308 sent [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Arturo Fuente, had several fingers of the Blue, sat outside and (what > else) gazed at the stars for a couple hours. I caused you??? ME?? > But, a Ferrari question did hit me while I was out there. My favorite > "Victory by Design" is the Ferrari one, of course. And near the end, De > Cadenet gets to take a short spin (longer on the DVD, I'm sure) in an > absolutely orgasmic yellow Drogo-bodied P3 (I *think* it's a P3). S/N 0850. A 412 P3/P4 But I > have never been able to find good photos, let alone wallpaper-quality > stuff, of any of the Drogo-bodied models. http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0850.412P.htm > Were they really that rare? > Are they all still in existence? I hear stories about Eddie Van Halen > and Nick Mason having a couple each of those, but there are never any > pictures anywhere. Even Sheehan never has one for sale, or Symbolic. Do > any of you illustrious tifosi possess such pictures of these things? I > don't think there's any on your site, Thomas. I've looked a lot of places. Drogo did a lot of rebody work, but most of it has been removed or crashed... http://www.tybrainstorm.de/drogo/drogo-3.html 0838 365 P2 - Rebodied, removed http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0838.365P.htm http://www.tybrainstorm.de/drogo/p-2.html 0977GT http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0977GT.250GT.Coupe.htm 1717GT http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/1717GT.250GT.Coupe.htm 1965GT (SWB) Crashed, destroyed, rebuilt, restamped 2445GT http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/1965GT.250GT.htm 2053GT (SWB) Destroyed http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/2053GT.250GT.htm 2067GT (SWB) Rebodied, crashed, rebuilt twice http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/2067GT.250GT.htm 2209GT (SWB) Crashed, rebodied, body removed, moved to PF Coupe 2065GT http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/2209GT.250GT.htm 2493 GTE http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/2493GT.250GTE.htm http://www.barchetta.cc/All.Ferraris/images/0872/alternate-103.jpg http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0716TR.250TR.htm 2735GT (SWB) http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/2735GT.250GT.htm Body moved to a GTE http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/3611GT.250GT.htm http://www.johnstarkeycars.com/pages/articles_fa.html 2819GT (SWB) Breadvan http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/2819GT.250GT.htm http://www.tybrainstorm.de/drogo/breadvan.html http://www.pestalozzi.net/sb/ferrari_breadvan/ 3445GT (GTO) (Crashed, body removed) http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/3445GT.250GTO.htm 3405GT GTE Rebody http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/3405GT.250GTE.htm 7979 330GT 2+2 http://www.tybrainstorm.de/drogo/330.html http://www.qv500.com/ferrari330p3.php > Of course, right now I couldn't find a bowling ball if somebody put it > on my keyboard. However, that's nobody's business but me and Johnny > Blue's. > > M Hope you "find" the above interesting... T308 (Not a Drogo rebody...) >> But, a Ferrari question did hit me while I was out there. My favorite >> "Victory by Design" is the Ferrari one, of course. And near the end, De >> Cadenet gets to take a short spin (longer on the DVD, I'm sure) in an >> absolutely orgasmic yellow Drogo-bodied P3 (I *think* it's a P3). > >S/N 0850. A 412 P3/P4 "412"? Huh? > But I >> have never been able to find good photos, let alone wallpaper-quality >> stuff, of any of the Drogo-bodied models. > >http://www.barchetta.cc/english/All.Ferraris/Detail/0850.412P.htm I just assumed he'd been there... >> Were they really that rare? >> Are they all still in existence? I hear stories about Eddie Van Halen [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Drogo did a lot of rebody work, but most of it has been removed or >crashed... ...Some of it simply godawful. On P4's, here's an interesting piece: "The Case for 0846:" http://www.velocetoday.com/cars/cars_69.php Also the subject of a NY Times piece, iirc. And Mike, this one's yellow: http://www.fotografia-corse.co.uk/images/classic_images/P3_01_L.jpg ...Note the hideous oil smoke. > And Mike, this one's yellow: > http://www.fotografia-corse.co.uk/images/classic_images/P3_01_L.jpg > > ...Note the hideous oil smoke. Everything you have ever said to me that was bad, and everything that you will ever say to me that is bad ... everything ... is absolved because of that pic alone. That is the ONE. I have sought it for many years. (I thought I was a good Internet searchman, too.) You've now got a life-long pass to hurl abuse my way. Use it wisely, grasshopper. The dragon slumbers but breathes still. MC SignatureI like it - I'm not gonna crack I miss you - I'm not gonna crack I love you - I'm not gonna crack I killed you - I'm not gonna crack >> And Mike, this one's yellow: >> http://www.fotografia-corse.co.uk/images/classic_images/P3_01_L.jpg [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >because of that pic alone. That is the ONE. I have sought it for many >years. (I thought I was a good Internet searchman, too.) Actually the link was in an email I had sent to another friend in a rather peripheral vein several months ago, I found it today while looking for the old R&T article on the three-seat 365P I thought I had sent him... You don't happen to know what I mean do you? >You've now got a life-long pass to hurl abuse my way. Use it wisely, >grasshopper. The dragon slumbers but breathes still. ...Just don't tell me you actually voted for Hitler in '32, and we'll all be just fine. I've had a real good re-look at that P3/4 photo today, and DAMN, if that isn't EXACTLY what a race car should look like... Except in red. >>>And Mike, this one's yellow: >>>http://www.fotografia-corse.co.uk/images/classic_images/P3_01_L.jpg [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > You don't happen to know what I mean do you? No, sorry. > ...Just don't tell me you actually voted for Hitler in '32, and we'll > all be just fine. Actually, being Italian, I cast my ballot for Mussolini. We all know what happened to him. I found some AWESOME web sites with some killer vintage racing photos, including Ferrari 512, Lola T70, etc. Some wallpaper sized. I'll put 'em here if anybody wants to take a look. Also, if I didn't send this to anybody already, this guy has some very interesting viewpoints in his ARTICLES/ARCHIVES and EDITORIALS section. Also some bitchin' cars for sale and other minutiae. http://www.johnstarkeycars.com/index.html M SignatureI like it - I'm not gonna crack I miss you - I'm not gonna crack I love you - I'm not gonna crack I killed you - I'm not gonna crack >> ...Just don't tell me you actually voted for Hitler in '32, and we'll >> all be just fine. > >Actually, being Italian, I cast my ballot for Mussolini. Still not as bad as last November. >We all know what happened to him. ...Benie's Pizza, 3737 Flatbush Ave, "Brooklyn, USA". Not *bad*, make sure you tell them you want it *thin*. >I found some AWESOME web sites with some killer vintage racing photos, >including Ferrari 512, Lola T70, etc. Some wallpaper sized. I'll put >'em here if anybody wants to take a look. The site? >Also, if I didn't send this to anybody already, this guy has some very >interesting viewpoints in his ARTICLES/ARCHIVES and EDITORIALS section. >Also some bitchin' cars for sale and other minutiae. > >http://www.johnstarkeycars.com/index.html $250K for an RS? Yes. That's a _very_ *interesting* viewpoint. ...Nice ride and all, but what's the "extra" $170K for? >>> ...Just don't tell me you actually voted for Hitler in '32, and we'll >>> all be just fine. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >...Nice ride and all, but what's the "extra" $170K for? Is this guy really trying to equate the rarity and desirability of a low-balled S-type to that of a 250 GT/Lusso? >'em here if anybody wants to take a look. > > The site? http://www.allsportauto.com/modules.php?name=AffPhoto&zl_source=LeMansClassic2004 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/David_Pozzi/vintage_can_am.htm (nothing wallpaper sized, good pics to look at) http://www.shmoo.com/~bmc/photos/Cars/Rosso%20Bianco%20Museum/ http://www.virhistory.com/vir/69-apr/rg-6904.htm http://www.toadhallracing.com/toad-327.html http://www.fotografia-corse.co.uk/images/classic_images/P3_01_L.jpg (I think you gave me this one, but there are probably more photos there, I just haven't gone through all of it yet. http://www.motorsport.com/photos/select.asp?Y=2004&S=VINTAGE&E=Le_Mans_Classic/S unday-G5-race# (at least today this site was very slow) M SignatureI like it - I'm not gonna crack I miss you - I'm not gonna crack I love you - I'm not gonna crack I killed you - I'm not gonna crack >>>But, a Ferrari question did hit me while I was out there. My favorite >>>"Victory by Design" is the Ferrari one, of course. And near the end, De [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > "412"? Huh? 412 was the factory number for customer cars with the P3 chassis and six Webers instead of FI. S/N 0850 was the first of four of that series (with 0854, 0856 and 0860). T308 (Who would have loved to have seen this car in Los Angeles traffic when owned by Dean Martin Jr.) > Hope you "find" the above interesting... > > T308 > (Not a Drogo rebody...) pics/mc awestruck I discovered that the sound I was making while looking at all those pictures was the same sound I make when I'm having sex. I actually think the cars are better. M SignatureI like it - I'm not gonna crack I miss you - I'm not gonna crack I love you - I'm not gonna crack I killed you - I'm not gonna crack >> Hope you "find" the above interesting... >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I discovered that the sound I was making while looking at all those > pictures was the same sound I make when I'm having sex. Yikes.... T308 <<Not sure if I said we were off>> Well, we knew that. Oh, oou mean on holiday? No, didn't mention it this time. <<Tiger - Are you EVER going to e-mail me again?>> No point in e-mailing you if you're gallivanting around the continent, now is there? BTW, how come you're never online in the middle of the night anymore? C. > BTW, how come you're never online in the middle of the > night anymore? > > C. And wy are you, married woman? Did Paul accept your weird habits as part of the bargain. He seemed pretty normal to me. BTW, which World Challenge races are you running this season? Haven't seen you yet, although ... isn't that your car that kind of blips through the commercial for the Series this season? M SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon <<And wy are you, married woman? Did [your Crew Chief] accept your weird habits as part of the bargain. He seemed pretty normal to me.>> First, no given names on news groups, good man. Second, my Crew Chief rather appreciates my *weird habits*. You should be so lucky! He can sleep right thru my late night typing. Lastly, you're right. He is about the most *normal* guy you're likely to meet. Except for that whole Bad a.s Race Car Driver thing. Other than that, he's positively mundane. <<BTW, which World Challenge races are you running this season?>> Not enough! That's for sure. Fer instance, you won't see me on the almost live broadcast tomorrow morning from Road Atlanta. What you will see is that all those new rules meant to slow the field down, the restrictors and added weight and such, have had the cumulative effect of making the entire field about 1 second faster than last year. I am so screwed. <<isn't that your car that kind of blips through the commercial for the Series this season?>> I dunno. I haven't actually seen any of the commercials. It would be nice if it was me though. SCCA is doing a much better job of mentioning Ford as one of the manufacturers competing this season. I even got mentioned by name as representing the marque in an article earlier this year about the series. Woohoo. C. > First, no given names on news groups, good man. Sorry about that. I haven't broken that rule in a long time. At least I didn't put the whole name there. I'm going to call him Mr. X from now on. M SignatureYou tell 'em I'M COMING! And HELL'S COMING WITH ME! You hear? HELL'S COMING WITH ME!! <<I'm going to call him Mr. X from now on.>> Heh. On the Pagan boards I refer to him as RacerX. Not exactly original, but it works. <g> C. > No point in e-mailing you if you're gallivanting around the continent, > now is there? Yes there is <sulking> >BTW, how come you're never online in the middle of the > night anymore? If you mean the middle of your night, its because of changes to our firewall at work, I can get it adjusted, but things being a little dire business wise at the moment, I'm reluctant to distract people just for my benefit. If you mean the middle of *my* night... ...you'll have to guess ;-) -Paul > things being a little dire business wise at the moment Why do I get the feeling that life wouldn't even be worth living to you if things weren't always "a little dire, business wise, at the moment"? :-) M SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon > -Paul Btw, this Linux version of Mozilla does an automatic spell check on my emails which, point of pride aside, I'm keeping until I can figure out how to turn it off. Anyway, it always flags your name and as a replacement suggests "Muffin". I like it. M SignatureAnd if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear You shout and no one seems to hear. And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes I'll see you on the dark side of the moon > Not sure if I said we were off (my laptop died), but anyway... No, you never did... > Nice to see some activity in here. I owe many e-mails, but for now: Not much Ferrari stuff, but lot's of star gazing going on. > T308 - Did you ever get that 'loose ends' e-mail I sent you? Yes, I did, thanks! Please forgive my tardy reply. Just back from globe trotting myself. T308 > Not sure if I said we were off (my laptop died), but anyway... I heard nothing. > Nice to see some activity in here. I disappear for a year and a.a.f falls apart. I mean who knew that MC would start handing out doves and peace pipes, "Muffin's" going to bed in the middle of the night (dreaming of bendy busses no doubt) and Mikal has finally reached puberty and gone away. Big news. Maxine and I had a baby. Eithne. She is now 10 months old and very mobile. She helped me to drive the Porsche a couple of days ago. Hardly ever get any time for anything anymore. Nobody warned us how much time and money these babies take. Broke, knackered and loving it. Porsche got fixed and whilst we were at it a bare metal respray. No rust. None. Couldn't believe it. Now I just have to try to find a new chrome front bumper. Oh yes it's also yellow now, back to its original. I will endeavour to get up to the next Pub Run. Is anyone planning on heading down to the Ferrari day at Owermoigne? Cheers Rue > I mean who knew that MC would > start handing out doves and peace pipes It must be the medicaton. Peace is better on the body than war. And hey, at least my peace pipe is usually filled with something interesting ... Welcome back, and congratulations on the little one! MC SignatureYou tell 'em I'M COMING! And HELL'S COMING WITH ME! You hear? HELL'S COMING WITH ME!! > Big news. Maxine and I had a baby. Eithne. She is now 10 months old and > very > mobile. She helped me to drive the Porsche a couple of days ago. Many congrats > Hardly ever get any time for anything anymore. Nobody warned us how much > time and money > these babies take. Ahaaa. Ahaaa...er Haaaaa.... <Manuel> You know noootheeeng !!! <Manuel> It han't even begun yet....trust me! >Broke, knackered and loving it. All's well then join the club (at least on the first two!) > Porsche got fixed and whilst we were at it a bare metal respray. No rust. > None. Couldn't believe it. Now I just have to try to find a new chrome > front > bumper. Oh yes it's also yellow now, back to its original. Excellent stuff....must be worthy of a pic or two.....are we talking serious Banana yellow or just a feint shade of Dulux off-white??? Cue Borland: "Oh look its the next 'are you sure your car is the right colour??' thread!" > I will endeavour to get up to the next Pub Run. Yes, well, if the "Minister for pub runs" would get on & organise one..... > Is anyone planning on heading down to the Ferrari day at Owermoigne? I'm sorry, which country is that in???? I. > Yes, well, if the "Minister for pub runs" would get on & organise one..... alright... alright... -MCPD "Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in message > > Porsche got fixed and whilst we were at it a bare metal respray. No rust. > > None. Couldn't believe it. Now I just have to try to find a new chrome [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cue Borland: "Oh look its the next 'are you sure your car is the right > colour??' thread!" No car escapes Miller's keen eye for colo(u)r. -Matt- "..."
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