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Car Forum / Ferrari Cars / June 2005i or QV
Am currently looking for a 308 and have done a lot reading up on the cars. I keep hearing that its best to stay away from the GTB/Si and go for a QV. The reason seems to be that the i's are a bit starved of power but is that the only reason? Seems to me that if I have to decide between a fantastic condition i and an not quite as good QV I should go for the i. As much as its nice to boast about bhp I'm not buying one so that I can beat rice wagons. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure a Civic Type R would blow away a 308. What say the experts? > Am currently looking for a 308 and have done a lot reading up on the cars. I > keep hearing that its best to stay away from the GTB/Si and go for a QV. The [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > What say the experts? If you must have an injected car, the QV is the choice. The i is a pig. The build quality is a little better on the QVs as well. The i also is a poster child for "deferred maintenance" as it's the cheapest of the bunch (if you're not counting the GT4s). If you really want to have fun (and great sounds) go for a carb car. The injected cars just don't cut it for me (Sorry Paul!). Also, and I used to tell this to all of my customers, plan on spending at least 20% of the purchase price in the first year to make whatever you buy "right". I bought my car in 1995 and I've spent almost 75% of the original purchase price on "making it right and keeping it right" over the last ten years! I drove it today and it's twice the car today than it was when i first got it. T308  SignatureLIVERPOOL FC - European Champions 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 > If you must have an injected car, the QV is the choice. The i is a pig. > The build quality is a little better on the QVs as well. The i also is a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > T308 Thanks T308. Great to see you're a fellow Reds fan! Think we'll take the Champions League again next year?! What are the differences between the carb and injection cars from a performance and maintenance point of view? SN > What are the differences between the carb and injection cars from a > performance and maintenance point of view? I'd guess that the injection cars are easier to maintain, but what do I know? As for performance, don't you believe these bleary-eyed nostalgic Swedes who tell you carbs are better. For overtaking and out-of-the-corner acceleration you want a nice torque spread - that's what the quattrovalvole gives you. It also makes for a less unpleasant time if you have the misfortune to get stuck in stop-start traffic (which of course, never happens in the UK). ...and less of this 'blown away by a Honda' rot. You wait till you get driving a 308 and tell me its performance is outdated (yes, yes, yes, I know compared to a modern car that costs the same as house, it is - but on the road, amongst most of the euroshoppers - tweaked or not - she's still awesome... And if there are any heretics out there, I once read a column in UK boy-racer's favourite magazine Max Power [it was in a barbers, FFS!, I didn't actually buy it!] where they did a 'what would you take, a super-duper euroshopper/jap mobile with a big exhaust, or a 308?' article. Their summary was that the acceleration was about the same, but that the Furry a) handled better and b) is a Ferrari. Guess which one they chose :-) Anyway, back to the point - never mind the carb/qv debate, both are great cars. Just don't buy the 'i'. I tried one - they are noticeably slower, they feel 'heavy' and you have that 'not quite the right one' feeling to contend with. Sharky, you sound like a man who's finances are not dissimilar to my own - in other words this is going to be quite an investment for you. Could you really put in all that money and take all 'the fear' that owning a Ferrari brings (to those of us without mansions) and think; 'I wish I'd bought a carb/qv' ? BTW, I like 412s as well. Saw a nice blue one in Paris the other year... quintessentially Italian... ...And of course the great Funkraum owns one (where he?). Why not commit financial suicide and buy one of those? -Paul > And if there are any heretics out there, I once read a column in UK > boy-racer's favourite magazine Max Power [it was in a barbers, FFS!, I > didn't actually > buy it!] ....and what exactlly were you doing in barber's shop Mr "Burns". This must have been quite some time ago methinks! I. > ....and what exactlly were you doing in barber's shop Mr "Burns". This > must have been quite some time ago methinks! Blimey! It must be 'Have a poke at Paul' week in the Miller house. For your information, when one has less hair, one has to go more often. ...to the barber's, that is*. I didn't mean to imply anything incontinent. Anyway £9.50 (plus tip) at the 'Gent's barber's' compares very well to Gretchen's £100+ sessions. -MCPD *whenever I qualify anything with a 'that is', I always think of the Beverly Hillbillies... "And up through the ground came a bubblin crude. Oil that is, black gold, texas tea " Sorry to bring that up again. > *whenever I qualify anything with a 'that is', I always think of the > Beverly Hillbillies... > > "And up through the ground came a bubblin crude. Oil that is, black gold, > texas tea " > Sorry to bring that up again. I somehow remember several years ago that I adapted that ditty for something in this group (probably a slam). Not wanting to bring it to the surface - I fear my old posts. What the hell is Jackie Stewart eating?? Beautiful day in Northern AZ today - sunny, hot, but with a cool breeze! M SignatureIt's a place where you will learn To face your fears, retrace the years And ride the whims of your mind Commanding in another world Suddenly, you hear and see This magic new dimension > As for performance, don't you believe these bleary-eyed nostalgic Swedes > who tell you carbs are better. For overtaking and out-of-the-corner > acceleration you want a nice torque spread - that's what the quattrovalvole > gives you. Assuming that you can complete a shift and not run into the F40 in front of you.... T308 > Assuming that you can complete a shift and not run into the F40 in > front of you.... um..... <cough> yes, the... um.... powerful acceleration requires a <cough> highly skilled.... um... driver. < > Think I'll be toddling off now. -Paul > Sharky, you sound like a man who's finances are not dissimilar to my own - > in other words this is going to be quite an investment for you. Could you > really > put in all that money and take all 'the fear' that owning a Ferrari brings > (to those of us without mansions) and think; 'I wish I'd bought a carb/qv' > ? Hmmm, you're absolutely right. A baby arriving in August means finances will be even leaner! But, as I've told my missus, why should your first born get in the way of buying a Ferrari! Well, carb or QV, no one's come down on the i's side so I'll try to avoid them. So, next question. Most of the cars I've seen for sale are wrong hand drive. I don't like the idea of having a left hooker but there seem to be so many more of them available. Should I be worried? Is it that 'inconvenient' on UK roads or should I definitely go for right hand drive? SN > Well, carb or QV, no one's come down on the i's side so I'll try to avoid > them. So, next question. Most of the cars I've seen for sale are wrong > hand drive. I don't like the idea of having a left hooker but there seem > to be so many more of them available. Should I be worried? Is it that > 'inconvenient' on UK roads or should I definitely go for right hand drive? Don't even think about it. A RHD on Euro roads is fine because of the size of the roads and relative lack of traffic, in the UK you'd get stuck behind every queue... -Paul > Thanks T308. Great to see you're a fellow Reds fan! Think we'll take the > Champions League again next year?! One can hope, but I don't think we'll be able to sneak up on people next year like we did this year. We were underdogs against Lever, Juve, Chelski and AC Milan and we made it by each of them. As much as I love the side, I cannot believe that they'll repeat that kind of run. I'll take top three in the EPL, a domestic trophy and a trip to the final 16 in the Champions League. I'm also very worried about the fixture list. We just don't have enough depth to compete in all the competitions ahead of us. > What are the differences between the carb and injection cars from a > performance and maintenance point of view? The carbs take more care and attention, but if you rebuild them after you buy and have them properly set up they'll serve you well. Carb 250bhp (fibreglass cars 255bph), the i 214bph, QV 240bhp. The QV is about 100kg lighter than the carb cars (though 150kg heavier than the early fibreglass cars) FORZA REDS (Both of them!) T308 > One can hope, but I don't think we'll be able to sneak up on people > next year like we did this year. We were underdogs against Lever, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > fixture list. We just don't have enough depth to compete in all the > competitions ahead of us. I'm a dreamer so I'm hoping that being CL winners will spur them on to the Premiership title AND the CL. Thats what following Ferrari for 25 years does to you. How I remember those years in the mid eighties and early nineties praying for a championship... SN >keep hearing that its best to stay away from the GTB/Si and go for a QV. The My $.02. The QVs have a bit more power "out of the box". They are the fully evolved version with some better rust proofing, a more advanced injection system and regular (non metric) sized wheels/tires. But I always found something unique about the injected cars, which is why I want one. I wouldn't dare do anything radical to my '84 308 USA version. I have a Tubi on it, which sounds great and gives it a bit more "pep", but beyond that, I need to back down when a new Vette pulls next to me (actually, so do just about all the Porsches ever made and most Ferraris, but that is another story) because I don't have the stomach to make major alterations to the engine to get it to produce more power. However, the "i" cars can be gotten into for a reasonable cost ($25k-$30k US) and I wouldn't hesitate one moment to put a tec1 ignition system in, and turbo charge or super charge the thing. Some folks here would think I am on crack for saying this. But why not modify the car. It was the poster child for anemia as far as 308s go, and its not like your turning it into a limo or something. I think of it more as getting the car to acheive its potential. Just buy the best one you can find, no matter what version you decide on. I'm in NYC, if you need help or want to examine mine to see what its' all about, let me know and we'll set something up. Check out ferrarichat.com, people there get 400hp (at the rear wheels) and up hp out of 308s. A bit more technical there. This ng, it's more of a family. Good luck, Phil Agreed 100%! In the first few years of ownership I actually found my "i" still too nice. Bought it because it was the cheapest available. It had some rust, big bumpers and sidemarker lights. Drove it a few years and then plugged in the angled grinder! www.ferrari288.com However I'm satisfied with the power, it's enough for what it is and what it has to do. I hope my new homemodified exhaust will sound great, in a few weeks. > My $.02. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Good luck, > Phil > This ng, it's more of a family. OK then, Uncle Phil, why didn't you give me a ride in your car?? M SignatureIt's a place where you will learn To face your fears, retrace the years And ride the whims of your mind Commanding in another world Suddenly, you hear and see This magic new dimension >> This ng, it's more of a family. > > OK then, Uncle Phil, why didn't you give me a ride in your car?? > > M sh.t son, when you come visit me you can drive mine! T308 SignatureLIVERPOOL FC - European Champions 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 >>> This ng, it's more of a family. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > T308 Not when I again recount my experience with Ed Heinle, top salesman at Newport Imports (we're talking Days of Yore here; last I heard he was the head guy at Platinum Motors in Santa Ana - mostly Lamborghini). Anyway, I'm interviewing him for a story for some rag, and he offers to let me cruise a nice silver-gray 308 up Superior Ave. (twisty hill). I stalled it six times, and ground the gears nicely enough for tailings to be blowing out the AC vents. His face was green when we got back to the dealership, but he was nice enough to say only "Well, the customer's not picking it up until next week." MC SignatureIt's a place where you will learn To face your fears, retrace the years And ride the whims of your mind Commanding in another world Suddenly, you hear and see This magic new dimension >>>> This ng, it's more of a family. >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > MC I'll send a driver out for you.... T308 SignatureLIVERPOOL FC - European Champions 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 >> This ng, it's more of a family. > >OK then, Uncle Phil, why didn't you give me a ride in your car?? > >M I know I've been absent from here for a few months, but when exactly did you become "The Dream"? I wanted to take the 308 into the City that day, but parking would have been a bastard, especially down town in Little Italy. Phil > I know I've been absent from here for a few months, but when exactly > did you become "The Dream"? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Phil I've probably been three different identities since you've last been here. It's just like plastic surgery, but without the knife! You need to get out of that office chair, back away from the office, turn off the monitor, and rejoin us in our wonderful world. M SignatureIt's a place where you will learn To face your fears, retrace the years And ride the whims of your mind Commanding in another world Suddenly, you hear and see This magic new dimension >>keep hearing that its best to stay away from the GTB/Si and go for a QV. >>The [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Good luck, > Phil Many thanks Phil and I really appreciate the offer to take a look at your 308. I'm in the UK so unfortunately can't take you up on it! Will definitely take a look at the website. SN
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