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Car Forum / Ferrari Cars / June 2005American GP UPDATE
For those of you who may not be following the American GP: Only Six cars started the race (Ferrari, Minardi and Jordan teams - all using Bridgestone tyres). All teams usign Michelin tyres have retired on the parade lap citing safety concerns afters Saturdays accidents with R. Schumacher. Who can imagine the consequences of this in a country just starting to warm up to F1 racing? Truely a sad day for F1 in America... > For those of you who may not be following the American GP: Only Six cars > started the race (Ferrari, Minardi and Jordan teams - all using Bridgestone [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Who can imagine the consequences of this in a country just starting to warm > up to F1 racing? Truely a sad day for F1 in America... I've got to tell you - others in this group are going to probably call this a SPOILER - even if the whole thing is a sham. Be careful. But now that you have said it, I completely agree. I don't care who's at fault (I smell FIA and Michelin), this is deplorable and F1 may not recover in the US because of this. Unfuckingbelievable. At least the fans (??) decided not to keep throwing debris on the track - I can see how they might be extremely angry, but that is something you do not do in auto racing. M  SignatureIt's a place where you will learn To face your fears, retrace the years And ride the whims of your mind Commanding in another world Suddenly, you hear and see This magic new dimension What a double standard. I just heard Bernie just left the track and the race isn't half over. With Ferrari having similar tire (or tyre :-) issues all season, they never threw a race. F1 will NOT be invitied back to America ANY time soon. Pathetic behavior (or behaviour :-) Now we can debate the shitty rules package...If the damn teams could change tires (or tyres) like all other forms of motorsports we may have had a race today. It's going to be very interesting to see who loses the money on this one. The track owners will be issuing refunds, but FIA needs to pony up the cash for it. The track is not responsible for this sickening lack of class... > What a double standard. I just heard Bernie just left the track and > the race isn't half over. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > up the cash for it. The track is not responsible for this sickening > lack of class... I agree 100%!!! M SignatureIt's a place where you will learn To face your fears, retrace the years And ride the whims of your mind Commanding in another world Suddenly, you hear and see This magic new dimension I was there (Along with Mr & Mrs Borland). What a joke. We were all waiting, hoping that we'd see an actual race and not a repeat of practice 3. We didn't see a race, we saw a Bridgestone Test day. I sat near a young boy and his dad clad in Mark Webber gear. I'm still not sure if the kid knows why his hero didn't race today. They left after lap 10. To my right was a couple from Costa Rica. They'd come to see Alonso. They had no clue what was going on until I explained it to them. They left at lap 15. To my left was a couple from Indy. They said they had come to "check out this Formula One thing". Needless to say, they saw all they needed to see. I thought the FISA/FOCA mess in 1982 was Formula One's lowest ebb. I was wrong. To Max Mosley. They are Cromwell's words, but they apply... "You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. Depart I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!" T308 > I was there (Along with Mr & Mrs Borland). What a joke. We were all > waiting, hoping that we'd see an actual race and not a repeat of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > out this Formula One thing". Needless to say, they saw all they needed > to see. Always a pleasure to enjoy an oilcan of Foster's with Mister T308... He had "seats" reserved, while we were in steerage with the rest of the great unwashed, so our time was short but still a good visit. We left around lap 25, after 3+ hours driving (then parking) and all the walking we didn't bother staying for the rest of it. Not much point when there's little to no passing and only six cars even running. There were people flipping the bird and giving thumbs down to the drivers as they passed, like they should have boycotted the race because Michelins didn't work right on this particular track. The FIA should have just added another damn chicane. I did get to call my father for Father's Day and let him hear the Ferraris scream by, which made his day. He'll have a good story to go with his souvenir t-shirt now that all this crap happened. As for track owners refunding tickets, it says "no rainchecks, no refunds" on every ticket... Ain't that a bitch? It was a mass exodus by the time we started walking out, with lots of irate people yelling, in various languages. I think I'll stick to the ALMS, vintage, and motorcycle stuff for awhile, and steer clear of the USGP, NHRA, and NASCAR. Two of those three due to the toothless drunken idiots that spend half the day spilling beer on people and dry-humping those unlucky enough to sit or walk near them. The F1 stuff just irritates me because the rules seem all out of whack and if they're so inflexible they refuse to put on a show, well, "fuggem". I paid for a race, I wanna see a damn race. It was nice to see Rubens up front though. :-) __ __ -Matt- " -=O==-O=-- " Matt wrote... <<Always a pleasure to enjoy an oilcan of Foster's with Mister T308... He had "seats" reserved, while we were in steerage with the rest of the great unwashed, so our time was short but still a good visit. >> The pleasure was all mine! As a matter of fact, it was the only pleasure I had the whole day. Shall we enjoy Oil Cans in MCPDs living room next? FORZA EURO ROADTRIP 2005! T308 > Matt wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > T308 I like the way you think... If we wanted to do it up "Ugly American" style we could switch over to High Life tallboys and show up barefoot... Back on topic, was Ferrari the only team to disagree with the chicane idea? If so, that'll bring out the Ferrari-haters in droves... Like it matters. This sort of reminds me of when the CART racers were blacking out at Texas and wouldn't race. It's a tough call since they'd be rolling chicanes themselves going through that turn on Michelins, which can't be all that safe either. I can see why they did what they did, but it comes across kinda lame considering this is supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport and the teams on Michelins took their balls and went home (no pun intended) rather than race with a disadvantage. Was it safety, or sour grapes? Survey says? -Matt- "..." >Back on topic, was Ferrari the only team to disagree >with the chicane idea? If so, that'll bring out the >Ferrari-haters in droves... Like it matters. The FIA wouldn't allow a track change, since the rules say you can't change a track after Friday. If IMS had changed the track the race would have lost its sanction. >This sort of reminds me of when the CART racers >were blacking out at Texas and wouldn't race. It's [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Was it safety, or sour grapes? Sour grapes: None of them thought any changes were necessary to accommodate Ferrari's Bridgestone tires any time this season. > Shall we enjoy Oil Cans in MCPDs living room next? T'is a small room, but we did manage to accomodate several Tiger-racers last year. You're almost welcome. -Paul ...Sorry, that should have read 'you're all most welcome' ;-) >What a double standard. I just heard Bernie just left the track and >the race isn't half over. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >up the cash for it. The track is not responsible for this sickening >lack of class... Neither is the FIA, nor FOM, nor even Michelin: The seven teams who refused to take the start unless they were given an unfair advantage are to blame, Renault, McLaren-Mercedes and BMW-Williams, who have been quietly destroying the sport from within for years, BAR-Honda, Toyota, Red Bull-Cosworth, and Sauber-Petronas(Ferrari). > Neither is the FIA, nor FOM, nor even Michelin: The seven teams who > refused to take the start unless they were given an unfair advantage > are to blame, Renault, McLaren-Mercedes and BMW-Williams, who have > been quietly destroying the sport from within for years, BAR-Honda, > Toyota, Red Bull-Cosworth, and Sauber-Petronas(Ferrari). Hi, Mark! M SignatureIt's a place where you will learn To face your fears, retrace the years And ride the whims of your mind Commanding in another world Suddenly, you hear and see This magic new dimension >> Neither is the FIA, nor FOM, nor even Michelin: The seven teams who >> refused to take the start unless they were given an unfair advantage [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Hi, Mark! Hi Mike! (I'm having an identity crisis.) >>>Neither is the FIA, nor FOM, nor even Michelin: The seven teams who >>>refused to take the start unless they were given an unfair advantage [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > (I'm having an identity crisis.) I hope it's not because I can figure out your identities! (Yeah, that's a bit presumptuous - so what.) I change mine frequently as well, and just like you only newbies or infrequent posters actually get taken in. Since you are incapable of convincingly writing any other way than the way that you do, you're sunk in my waters. The most amusing aftermath item from yesterday's debacle: on Wind Tunnel, Dave Despain had Peter Windsor pontificating. (Does anybody else think those are hair plugs? I think he'd look just like Sir Stirling if he just let it fall out ...) Anyway, before that began, they showed the requisite film clips of disgruntled "fans", including one of the dicks who threw a water bottle onto the track (if I had been in the vicinity I would've beaten the living f.ck out that a.shole). Another of the clips was of this little kid in a Ferrari t-shirt looking down dejectedly, and his dad huffing along in front of him, this fat redneck tattooed f.ck with NASCAR shades saying "Yeah, thanks F1, thanks Bernie." And a couple of unmentionables (to SPEED, anway). I wouldn't want those kinds of fans, anyway. I've always felt that American fans, in general, ... of ANYTHING ... are some of the rudest f.cks anywhere. I know, I haven't done much overseas travelling, and I'm sure y'all have stories of soccer ruffians this and crazy Aussies that, but if I'm Bernie or Max or Charlie, for me one water bottle on a track is enough, especially in F1, to ace out that venue and maybe even that country, for as long as I feel like it. They make enough money. And if my car went into a wall because some dickhead threw his Aquafina onto the track, I'd find him after I got towed in. You could bet on it. I'd screw his wife, too, if she was pretty. MC (I like Peter Windsor, actually - sorry Peter! Call it like I see it! Guess you gotta have the plugs if you want to make it with the babes in Monaco ...) SignatureIt's a place where you will learn To face your fears, retrace the years And ride the whims of your mind Commanding in another world Suddenly, you hear and see This magic new dimension > What a double standard. I just heard Bernie just left the track and > the race isn't half over. And was given some stick by fans who recognized him on the way out. The troll must go! T308 It's hard to imagine a more spectacular shot-your-own-foot f.ck up. A few years back, riders in the Tour de France stopped mid race and sat on the road in a drugs protest* - causing everything from dissapointment to anger and left everyone shaking their heads in disbelief wondering how a world-class sporting event with a global audience of millions could allow such a self-destructive act of stupidity/desperation** to happen... ...and here we are again. The failure of the race was an act of outrageous arrogance by people who earn squillions of dollars and who clearly have no appreciation whatsoever (or simply don't care) how much the average fan has to invest in cash, time and trouble to turn up at the event. What next? News just in: Wimbledon cacelled as officials investigate player's claims that the centre court grass 'looks a little slippery' this year. Tiger Woods out of PGA tour. Says Woods "I forgot to bring my coat and it looks as if it could get a bit chilly out there". -Paul *If a anyone cares, it was a protest about the policing of drug-taking, not drug taking per se. **Depending on your views of the actions of French police in raiding some team's hotel rooms the night before a stage. Anyeway, enough Tour De France stuff. > It's hard to imagine a more spectacular shot-your-own-foot f.ck up. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > world-class sporting event with a global audience of millions could allow > such a self-destructive act of stupidity/desperation** to happen... You were out there in your little bike tights and your flip-up visor cap, weren't you ... weren't you. MC (who was camping out with friends at the base of Vista del Lago in Mission Viejo during the 84 Olympics - stoned and staggering by 6 am, drinking something called Green Lizards, which are made out of vodka and Green Chartreuse - staggering around cheering Davis Phinney and Alexi Grewal and catcalling everybody else. Um, did I say something about American fans?) SignatureIt's a place where you will learn To face your fears, retrace the years And ride the whims of your mind Commanding in another world Suddenly, you hear and see This magic new dimension > You were out there in your little bike tights and your flip-up visor cap, > weren't you ... weren't you. Those weren't bike tights, they were capri pa... ...uh-oh. -MCPD >>You were out there in your little bike tights and your flip-up visor cap, >>weren't you ... weren't you. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -MCPD Please don't lump all Americans in one category. (There's a lot of us and we've got every variety - the good ones and the bad ones.) If you noticed, the bottle and can throwing stopped as quickly as it started. This is because a majority of the people in attendance forced the small minority to straighten up. I feel somewhat proud to be one of the people who risked life and limb against some drunk idiot who wanted to launch his beer to the detriment of the race drivers. Through luck and skillful diplomacy (George Bush could have learned a lot in a few seconds!) I was able to persuade the nice gentleman from (country not named but it was NOT the US.) that further beer propulsion would be extremely detrimental to the sport and his freedom to walk about with the general population. I hope we get a real F1 race next year. > Please don't lump all Americans in one category. (There's a lot of us > and we've got every variety - the good ones and the bad ones.) I'm an American, and I'm one who did the lumping, except that my anger was directed squarely at the f-heads who were throwing things. If they weren't American, as your info below indicates, that dials things down a bit but doesn't erase my feelings completely. If you look at the history of American sports fans, it is pretty damn ugly. Do we really need to see that Pistons-Pacers clip again? > If you noticed, the bottle and can throwing stopped as quickly as it > started. I did notice that, and I was pretty happy, but after how many bottles had hit the track? SPEED only showed one, but I knew there had to be a few more than that. Do you really think that those high, curved-inward-at-the-top fences all around the NASCAR circuits are solely to keep car parts out of the crowd? > This is because a majority of the people in attendance forced > the small minority to straighten up. I feel somewhat proud to be one of > the people who risked life and limb against some drunk idiot who wanted > to launch his beer to the detriment of the race drivers. I hope that's the case, because as usual the TV only showed us the small minority. And I guess in the end I'm happy you showed some restraint, because if it had been I, said drunk idiot would have needed a dentist; he would have been the one risking life and limb, not I. > Through luck and skillful diplomacy (George Bush could have learned a > lot in a few seconds!) I was able to persuade the nice gentleman from > (country not named but it was NOT the US.) that further beer propulsion > would be extremely detrimental to the sport and his freedom to walk > about with the general population. I wonder if he acts like that in his home country. > I hope we get a real F1 race next year. I kind of hope we don't, to be honest. It sucks to make the fans pay for somebody else's incompetence, but their image here is so tarnished now that a race next year would be full of protesting, probably quite a bit of boycotting, etc., etc. It would do nothing for F1. Now, if they had the balls to have the race at Indy next year and GIVE AWAY THE TICKETS, that's another story. But I have the feeling that Bernie's, Charlie's, and Max' balls wouldn't make a crowd in a teaspoon, so that won't happen. M SignatureIt's a place where you will learn To face your fears, retrace the years And ride the whims of your mind Commanding in another world Suddenly, you hear and see This magic new dimension >>You were out there in your little bike tights and your flip-up visor cap, >>weren't you ... weren't you. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -MCPD Which reminds me, there was a fashion show as part of the street fair in Montreal last weekend and one of the male models was sporting, you guessed it, DUFFINESQUE CAPRI PANTS! T308 SignatureLIVERPOOL FC - European Champions 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 > Which reminds me, there was a fashion show as part of the street fair in > Montreal last weekend and one of the male models was sporting, you guessed > it, DUFFINESQUE CAPRI PANTS! Well, admitedly the term 'Fashionista' is not one normally associated with myself, but... ...um.... ...well, that's it really :-/ -Paul |
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