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Car Forum / Ferrari Cars / October 2005The 308 is out for summer!
Yeah I waited a while but it's finally out of storage. It's running great and a real joy to drive as always, but i've got a few questions about some issues. Car is a 77 308 GTB. 1) When I pull up to a stop light, the idle likes to stick at 1500-2000rpm. If I very quickly blip the throttle, I can get it to drop down to 1000rpm. 2) Oil pressure. It seems like, starting last summer, it was a little lower than it used to be. At speed, it stays at a steady 85lbs but at idle it drops down to that first white hash, between 0 and 85. I seem to remember it used to be a lot higher, like 85lbs at idle and between 85lbs and 170lbs at speed. It's been about two or three summers since the oil was changed, but only about 1500 miles, if that could be an issue. 3) The Carbs. I had them tuned last summer, but was told they need a rebuild soon and might not hold their tune. Ran great for a few months, but when I put the car away last fall the carbs had obviously lost their tune as the engine had that rough sound, you guys with pre-1980 308s probably know what I mean. When I drove it home last week, and so far, the car runs perfect, and doesn't sound out of tune at all. The strange thing is, I didn't touch the carbs, and it sounds back in tune. That's about all, and should give me some stuff to work on :) Thanks for your help. > Yeah I waited a while but it's finally out of storage. It's running great > and a real joy to drive as always, but i've got a few questions about some > issues. Car is a 77 308 GTB. > > 1) When I pull up to a stop light, the idle likes to stick at 1500-2000rpm. > If I very quickly blip the throttle, I can get it to drop down to 1000rpm. You might want to adjust your fast idle. > 2) Oil pressure. It seems like, starting last summer, it was a little lower > than it used to be. At speed, it stays at a steady 85lbs but at idle it > drops down to that first white hash, between 0 and 85. I seem to remember > it used to be a lot higher, like 85lbs at idle and between 85lbs and 170lbs > at speed. It's been about two or three summers since the oil was changed, > but only about 1500 miles, if that could be an issue. Change the friggin' oil! (and all the other fluids as well). Your sending unit could be going off. I had the same issue. > 3) The Carbs. I had them tuned last summer, but was told they need a > rebuild soon and might not hold their tune. Ran great for a few months, but [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > perfect, and doesn't sound out of tune at all. The strange thing is, I > didn't touch the carbs, and it sounds back in tune. Hey, if it's not broke.... > That's about all, and should give me some stuff to work on :) Thanks for > your help. Enjoy the car and that special "Carb Car" experience that those "Injected Capri pant wearing" types will never understand. T308 (Who might be adding three more carbs and 12 more cylinders to the garage shortly, watch this space.....)  SignatureLIVERPOOL FC - European Champions 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 "Tifosi 308 (The Serial Number Geek)" > Enjoy the car and that special "Carb Car" experience that those "Injected > Capri pant wearing" types will never understand. Torque spread! > T308 > (Who might be adding three more carbs and 12 more cylinders to the garage > shortly, watch this space.....) ...at which point I'd have to give up on the 'torque spread' argument. -Paul >> Yeah I waited a while but it's finally out of storage. It's running >> great [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > You might want to adjust your fast idle. ...and check you don't have either a sticky throttle cable/mechanism or a sticky gas pedal >> 2) Oil pressure. It seems like, starting last summer, it was a little >> lower [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Change the friggin' oil! (and all the other fluids as well). Your sending > unit could be going off. I had the same issue. Indeed, change the oil and the filter......and ALL the other fluids come to think of it. Oil goes nasty over time - build up of acids or some such thing - google for it & you'll find information as to why you need to change it at least once a year regardless of mileage. Three years is way too long. The oil pressure shouldn't go above 80-90lbs even when cold. When the car is hot & idling it wouldn't be unusual to see very little oil pressure at all. >> 3) The Carbs. I had them tuned last summer, but was told they need a >> rebuild soon and might not hold their tune. Ran great for a few months, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> That's about all, and should give me some stuff to work on :) Thanks for >> your help. Once you are happy that the carbs are "about right" you might also consider an "Italian tune up". Basically, get the thing nice & warm & then drive it in 3rd gear for 3-4 minutes at between 6 & 7,000 rpm - it will de-coke the valves & clean everything out a treat. Also maybe run a bottle of carburettor cleaner through with a full fresh tank of gas. Gas "weathers" these days & can leave some nasty deposits around the place if you leave it too long. Having said that, how long has the car been "in storeage" without being run? If its more than a few months you might consider a cambelt change first as well. Belts need to be changed with age as much as they do for mileage reasons & the longer they sit in one position the less good it does them > Enjoy the car and that special "Carb Car" experience that those "Injected > Capri pant wearing" types will never understand. ROFL (!) > T308 > (Who might be adding three more carbs and 12 more cylinders to the garage > shortly, watch this space.....) Tell, Tell...... > LIVERPOOL FC - European Champions 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 Calm down! Calm down, we won it fair & square geezer! > Once you are happy that the carbs are "about right" you might also consider > an "Italian tune up". Basically, get the thing nice & warm & then drive it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > these days & can leave some nasty deposits around the place if you leave it > too long. I remember the first time I heard about this technique, I was a little suspect about it, but believe me, it does work! > Having said that, how long has the car been "in storeage" without being run? > If its more than a few months you might consider a cambelt change first as [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > ROFL (!) :-) >>T308 >>(Who might be adding three more carbs and 12 more cylinders to the garage >>shortly, watch this space.....) > > Tell, Tell...... Soon my friend, soon. When i have the car in my possession I'll tell the story! >>LIVERPOOL FC - European Champions 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 > > Calm down! Calm down, we won it fair & square geezer! And the title defense begins in three weeks! I cannot wait... T308 SignatureLIVERPOOL FC - European Champions 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 >> Once you are happy that the carbs are "about right" you might also >> consider [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I remember the first time I heard about this technique, I was a little > suspect about it, but believe me, it does work! Oh indeed it does :-)) I. > Once you are happy that the carbs are "about right" you might also >consider > an "Italian tune up". Basically, get the thing nice & warm & then drive it > in 3rd gear for 3-4 minutes at between 6 & 7,000 rpm - it will de-coke >the > valves & clean everything out a treat And when I get pulled over for doing 100mph do I just tell the cop i'm doing an italian tune up? ; ) >>Once you are happy that the carbs are "about right" you might also >>consider [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > And when I get pulled over for doing 100mph do I just tell the cop i'm doing > an italian tune up? ; ) Always has worked for me! T308 (Or perhaps it was the Dunkin' Donuts gift certificates that "fell" out of his wallet....) SignatureLIVERPOOL FC - European Champions 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 >> Once you are happy that the carbs are "about right" you might also >>consider [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > doing > an italian tune up? ; ) Then do it in second if you want to get all lightweight about it !! ;-)) I. > >> Once you are happy that the carbs are "about right" you might also > >>consider [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I. If I blow my engine i'm holding this group personally responsible ;-))) >>>>Once you are happy that the carbs are "about right" you might also >>>>consider [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > If I blow my engine i'm holding this group personally responsible ;-))) Blame Michelin. Everyone else does.... T308 SignatureLIVERPOOL FC - European Champions 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 > If I blow my engine i'm holding this group personally responsible ;-))) In all seriousness, clearly the thing needs to be in good running order before you do this. If you have any doubts about your belts or tensioners then don't do it. Then again, if you have any doubts as to whether they would deal with this then you should get them changed anyway! I. (fingers in ears) > > If I blow my engine i'm holding this group personally responsible ;-))) > > In all seriousness, clearly the thing needs to be in good running order > before you do this. If you have any doubts about your belts or tensioners > then don't do it. Then again, if you have any doubts as to whether they > would deal with this then you should get them changed anyway! Yeah I had the major service performed a couple years/2000 miles ago for $5500 dollars. Shouldn't be a problem. Next time I have the car out i'll give it a try. Heck, I remember coming back from an italian car show last year I was driving down the highway in my 308 and two 250 SWBs came roaring past, with the engines just screaming, so this is what they were doing! Hey, how would my Porsche 944 react to an italian tune up? :) > Hey, how would my Porsche 944 react to an italian tune up? :) Having done just such a tune up on a 924S, a 944S2, and a 951 (the first was mine, the others belonging to an understanding friend who keeps buying cars that have been stored too long) I assure you the German cars also do well with it. I've found similarly good results with using said vehicles at trackdays. Each vehicle my friend takes to driver's ed events seems to run much better afterward. -Matt- "..." What model are you going for Tifosi? D.H. >> Yeah I waited a while but it's finally out of storage. It's running >> great [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > (Who might be adding three more carbs and 12 more cylinders to the garage > shortly, watch this space.....) > What model are you going for Tifosi? > > D.H. Since his reply time may rival yours on this thread I'll be the spoiler and tell you what he bought: A "barn-fresh" 250GTE. The account of his trip is hilariously recounted somewhere on www.ferrarichat.com in an exchange with the rather eccentric Shaugnessy, who found the car in the first place. I'll leave T308 to tell you the details and link to the thread. ...and now to wait. -Matt- "..." matt borland wrote: >>What model are you going for Tifosi? >> >>D.H. > > Since his reply time may rival yours on this thread > I'll be the spoiler and tell you what he bought: Ouch. > A "barn-fresh" 250GTE. The account of his trip > is hilariously recounted somewhere on www.ferrarichat.com > in an exchange with the rather eccentric Shaugnessy, > who found the car in the first place. > > I'll leave T308 to tell you the details and link to the thread. Ask and ye shall.... http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65311 > ...and now to wait. Two days, that ain't bad... Imagine my shock when I found 56 new posts here! T308 (Who drove the 308 today...) SignatureLIVERPOOL FC - European Champions 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 > (Who drove the 308 today...) Yeah, but she *knows*, you know... Have you no heart???? -Paulo D >>(Who drove the 308 today...) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -Paulo D Yes, she does. Perhaps I'll change my mind. TBH, she's never run better. T308 (and the rest...) SignatureLIVERPOOL FC - European Champions 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 "Tifosi 308 (The Serial Number Geek)" <LiverpoolFC@anfield.com> wrote in message > T308 > (Who drove the 308 today...) I fired up the FZR today. Yes it was pissing down rain and the temperature barely bumped 50 degrees, but I just had to listen to it run. Plus I wanted to make sure the battery was okay... She's nothing exotic, but she does rev to 11,500. :-) -Matt- "..." > What model are you going for Tifosi? > > D.H. I went for a s/n 3921, a 1962 250 GTE. It's apart now, and it'll be awhile before it hits the road again, but for now I am intoxicated by front engined V12 power. T308 SignatureLIVERPOOL FC - European Champions 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 >Yeah I waited a while but it's finally out of storage. It's running great >and a real joy to drive as always, but i've got a few questions about some [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >at speed. It's been about two or three summers since the oil was changed, >but only about 1500 miles, if that could be an issue. Yeah... *Maybe*... >3) The Carbs. I had them tuned last summer, but was told they need a >rebuild soon and might not hold their tune. Ran great for a few months, but [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >That's about all, and should give me some stuff to work on :) Thanks for >your help. - The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. - Albert Einstein |
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