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Car Forum / Ferrari Cars / August 2005Two-valve 308i
A friend is considering his first Ferrari purchase, something in the range of, and with a bit more brio and gravitas than, say, a Honda S2000 (a supreme car, but you get what I mean). Realistically a 79-82 308 GTSi is the target: Please: Tell me what I don't know. Are there preferable years within the series (other than last being most removed from beta)? Which are the great white whales of NOS mechanical/body parts? Which is the holy grail interior bit? What's a clutch replacement going to cost (NY metro)? FORZA states a "not 100%-accurate reputation for burning oil", but can't be arsed to explain further? Metric tires: What the f.ck were they thinking? Where do I find a copy of "My Ferrari's Roof Squeaks: Care, and tuning of the 308 GTS roof hatch, with choral arrangements"? 24-yr old Koni's: To rebuild or replace (can they even be sourced new)? Which Mercedes used the same brake pads? How to lively up the old mare, without feeding her rice-a-roni? Too few miles - dry rot and ennui, too many miles - deferred maintenance snowballs: What's the mileage sweetspot on a 22/24-yr old 308? TIA >A friend is considering his first Ferrari purchase, something in the > range of, and with a bit more brio and gravitas than, say, a Honda [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Please: Tell me what I don't know. If you ask nicely there are many people on Ferrarichat.com who can answer all your questions from first hand experience. Behave like an arse and they'll tell you to stick it where the sun doesn't shine. I'm not aware of anyone who posts here regularly that is a GTSi expert (except probably T308 of course) - but if I'm not mistraken the GTSi is a bit of dog powerwise - your freind may be well advised to save a few more pennies for a QV. I. >>A friend is considering his first Ferrari purchase, something in the >> range of, and with a bit more brio and gravitas than, say, a Honda [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >all your questions from first hand experience. Behave like an arse and >they'll tell you to stick it where the sun doesn't shine. Yeah... Not hanks. I already have mastered the correct spelling and use of a tow hook. >>> Please: Tell me what I don't know. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yeah... Not hanks. I already have mastered the correct spelling and > use of a tow hook. Your choice.......but I think a case of "cutting your own nose off to spite your face" as we say over here. I guess you'll just have to take the long way around to find the answers you want. Still, if you wish to continue to make judgements about a site you alledgedly never visit far be it from me to dissuade you from that. I. >>>> Please: Tell me what I don't know. >>>If you ask nicely there are many people on Ferrarichat.com who can answer [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >make judgements about a site you alledgedly never visit far be it from me to >dissuade you from that. Hey... a.shole: I don't go there anymore. I did go there. I had a good look around. I discovered it to be full of ignorant, unread, self-laudatory and -congratulatory, spoiled a.sholes. ...Just your type, apparently. >>>>If you ask nicely there are many people on Ferrarichat.com who can >>>>answer [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > ...Just your type, apparently. You'll also find it full of people who are bright enough, smart enough & therefore funded enough to own a Ferrari. There's probably a few people who were born into their money too - but hey, good luck to 'em - or does that kind of thing really bother you as well? And before you make yet another crass & erroneous assumption, I have the paychecks in my filing cabinet that funded my Ferrari - how 'bout yours??? Of course there are also other genuine, polite, enquiring and sociable non-owner enthuiasts on F-chat who are also always made welcome when they contribute. Come to think of it I'm not sure you fit into either category really do you? .......but one last attempt to help - try searching the F-Chat archives (both the current and the old ones) you'll find more information in there in 15 minutes than you ever knew about what's good bad & indifferent about pretty much any model you can name from the 70's onwards. Not to mention "How-to's", work arounds on parts, sources of parts, tips, tricks & traps, performance modifications & the pluses & minuses of them etc etc etc. If you want to know about older stuff then Tom Yang's website tends to be where those owners gather these days. There is also a mixture of fact and opinion - which is no different to any other information source. Its not generally too difficult to sort out one from the other. If you really can't bring yourself to look then then www.Ferrari-talk.com is also packed with good information in the archives. (the above 2 paras posted for anyone else who might remotely be interested in good sources of data & information) However, if you can't be bothered to search or don't understand how to execute a search properly then there's not much anyone can do to help you here. Other than that, it really is time you found that analysts phone number & sought some help for your "compulsive, aggressive, on-line disorder" - yes, I just made that up but it seems to fit quite well. ...and I think the expression I need here is "f.ck you, you utter, clueless, rude, useless, "wannabe", underachieving w.nker". On you go sunshine, I just cant wait for the next Frusciante pearls of wisdom. DO hurry back & share them with us - I'm sure the assembled company just can't wait - we are of course hanging on your every word. ...and in case you missed it, yes, basically I said "f.ck you and the horse you rode in on" - and you can take that home & stick it where the sun doesn't shine you a.shole. I. (who sometimes tells it like it is, but hasn't quite reached that point here just yet - we're just getting mildly warmed up.) >> I discovered it to be full of ignorant, unread, self-laudatory and >> -congratulatory, spoiled a.sholes. [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >(who sometimes tells it like it is, but hasn't quite reached that point here >just yet - we're just getting mildly warmed up.) Q.E.D. > Q.E.D. f.ck you're funny. Is that the best you can do you fuckwitted loser? Try taking long walk & go & have a think about trying to be civilised - should keep you out of here for oh, I dunno, 5-10 years at least - then again matybe it would be permanent - I doubt your pin sized head could cope with the confusion it would cause you. Anyone in the USA with the phone number of a decent analyst/shrink feel free to chime in - this a.shole needs it badly (better make sure its a cheap one though). I. > Q.E.D. ......and I see you're being skinned on your supposed "engineering expertise" over in the F1 newsgroup - having a good day really arn't you? I suggest you turn the PC off & go & read some self help books. I. >> Q.E.D. >......and I see you're being skinned on your supposed "engineering >expertise" over in the F1 newsgroup - having a good day really arn't you? ...Imbeciles trying to justify cheating, by any means. >I suggest you turn the PC off & go & read some self help books. LOFL... It just scalds your chestnuts to know there's even one person who still doesn't think you're cool, even after you've gone and bought a Ferrari. ...THAT'S pathetic. > It just scalds your chestnuts to know there's even one person who > still doesn't think you're cool, even after you've gone and bought a > Ferrari. > > ...THAT'S pathetic. Meanwhile, back on planet Earth... > It just scalds your chestnuts to know there's even one person who > still doesn't think you're cool, even after you've gone and bought a > Ferrari. > > ...THAT'S pathetic. Oh do f.ck, off you sad arsehole. For the nth time I couldn't give a sh.t what you or anyone else thinks of me with or without my Ferrari. Seems that simple piece of information is failing to penetrate your concrete skull yet again. You of course don't have the former option ( thata be the "with" option) .....do you? w.nker. I bet it just burns you up to see someone like me (who you now seem to have such a fixation about) able to thow a genuine usable set of Ferrari keys on the counter when I get home at night. Well f.ck you & live with it, cos you're the only person I know that it bothers around here. You've tried it on here, you've tried it in the F1 newsgroup with reference to me worrying more about what it cost than what it is in the oh so obviously feeble attempt to try & get a few other people over there to jump on my back & if it isn't painfully obvious by now, it isn't going to do any good, it isn't going to embarrass me & it doesn't make any odds to me what the f.ck you think. What does bother me is that you disrupt this NG & stop people posting & gathering here to discuss common interests. From what I'm reading "Back-a.s" that seems to bother a few other people too. So all that's going to happen now is that every time you come out with more of your abusive bullshit & its addressed to me or anyone that makes a sensible contribution on this NG I'm just going to jump all over you & be f.cking rude to you - and I expect most of the rest of the assembled company is going to be laughing at you with me. Make no mistake, I've got the time to do it. Bottom line is I & everyone else has put up with your arrogance, rudeness & bullshit for longer than I care to remember. We've tried to engage in debate with you, we've even tried to help you & you've behaved like an utter w.nker. So you can either f.ck off out of here or you stay & start behaving like a civilised human being & stop trying to belittle other people or drive them away. As a third option can stay & carry on as you are and I'll just keep pouring sh.t all over you - your choice. No, I'm not threatening you, I'm just telling it like it is. I'm not looking for an apology from you either , I don't give a sh.t what you do, I can live with it either way - can you? I. Thank you Iain, that was very well done. Im a rare poster, but i read almost everything that comes through here and I just wanted it to be known that he is annoying the f*ck out of the lurkers as well and it is a shame that a well respected regular was run out of here by this low-class assmunch R > Thank you Iain, that was very well done. Im a rare poster, but i read > almost everything that comes through here and I just wanted it to be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > R Good 'nuff....somehow I didn't think I was flying solo on this. I. Hey Ric! > Thank you Iain, that was very well done. Im a rare poster, but i read > almost everything that comes through here and I just wanted it to be > known that he is annoying the f*ck out of the lurkers as well and it > is > a shame that a well respected regular was run out of here by this > low-class assmunch That "well respected regular" will be back any day now, believe me. -Paul > Hey Ric! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -Paul You rang? Wait, I wasn't run out of here by anyone. Damn. -Matt- "..." I'm back! Oh, not me. OK well anyway. Iain, well said about that backass bloke. Sounds like a w.nker without the coordination. Completely wound up about a little itty bitty spider. Bit of a big girls blouse. Funny how he can't resist returning the same courtesy and keeps refering to a mysterious porch. Either he is a hypocrite or jealous of my outdoor entertaining space. Oh these hot summer days with the roof down! Red arrows this aft'noon in Weymouth. I shall salute them with a refreshing pint or two. Cheers Rue > I'm back! <everybody:> Hello Rue! > Oh, not me. OK well anyway. > Iain, well said about that backass bloke. You'll have to shout a bit, he's gone to the 'other side' (of the pond, that is <oil, that is, Texas tea... no, no... must not...>) to visit the outlaws, and possibly TR1 - who knows? >Sounds like a w.nker without > the coordination. Completely wound up about a little itty bitty [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > refering to a mysterious porch. Either he is a hypocrite or jealous of > my outdoor entertaining space. How is the old girl? > Oh these hot summer days with the roof down! Just so. Perfection. >Red arrows this aft'noon I didn't know you were a darts man. > in Weymouth. I shall salute them with a refreshing pint or two. Pip-pip! MCPD "Paul Duffin" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message > > Bit of a big girls blouse. I don't understand it, yet it still makes me laugh. I'm assuming it's another way to call someone a sissy... > > Funny how he can't resist returning the same courtesy and keeps > > refering to a mysterious porch. Either he is a hypocrite or jealous of > > my outdoor entertaining space. How do you guys make come up with insults this eloquent...? > >Red arrows this aft'noon > > I didn't know you were a darts man. Man, did I need a translator on that one... > > in Weymouth. I shall salute them with a refreshing pint or two. > > Pip-pip! Dang! > MCPD -Matt- "..." > How do you guys make come up with insults this eloquent...? Drugs not hurt brain. Me much more gooder now... Sheesh... -Matt- "..." >How do you guys make come up with insults this eloquent...? Don't know really. Maybe it is something to do with boarding school where I was spoonfed and suckled by matrons with ample breasts and a hallmarked sterling silver spoon whilst rolling around in piles and piles of daddies money. Oh those were the days, holidays in the gatehouse with nanny before my majority and moving up to the family pile. We are all like that over here in Blighty, or so I've been told. Must find the horse and give her a good canter! Rue Nah, nah, nah, me 'ol china - that Rue, e's pullin yer plonker, wot a geezer! still you gorra larf aincha? Lor, luv a duck an' no mistake! blinky-blonky-blimey, Mary Poppins! OH chim chim-a-nee, chim chim-a-nee, chim chim char-oo! ALL TOGETHER NOW! <cough> Sorry 'bout that -Paul > >How do you guys make come up with insults this eloquent...? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Rue > > >How do you guys make come up with insults this eloquent...? > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > -Paul You guys are killin' me here... "Must find the horse and give her a good canter!"... Oh man... Wearing me out... -Matt- "Plonker? Yikes!" >ALL TOGETHER NOW! Truuuuuuuuuuuly scrumptious, your tuuuuuuly, truuuuuuuly scrumptious... Oh those lovely days in the rolling Sussex hills waiting for daddy to finish inveting in the laboratory. Rue p.s. actually got a ride in one of the original chitty racing cars along the I271 near Cleveland when I was about 12. I believe it is still in the Cleveland Automobile Museum collection. <<<everybody:> Hello Rue!>> Hello Rue! <<You'll have to shout a bit, he's gone to the 'other side' (of the pond, that is <oil, that is, Texas tea... no, no... must not...>) to visit the outlaws, and possibly TR1 - who knows?>> He's got my cell number. We hope to hear from him. My Crew Chief and I hit the road first thing in the morning. Monterey, here we come! If my Giant Blue Paperweight holds together, we should be trackside in the early PM. I'm looking forward to seeing three Chaparral 1s running against each other this weekend. Should be quite the show. C. > <<<everybody:> Hello Rue!>> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > He's got my cell number. Oh no he doesn't (!) Can ya e-mail it to me pls? I. >Hello Rue! Hi Tiger I recently saw a picture of you (or more precisely your car) looking a bit hot. Now I've seen ricers with neons bit your gas burners take some beating. Was that an attempt to increase track temperature for your competitors so they lost grip? Glad to hear you are OK. Cheers Rue <<I recently saw a picture of you (or more precisely your car) looking a bit hot.>> Oh, you just had to clarify that, did you? << Now I've seen ricers with neons bit your gas burners take some beating. Was that an attempt to increase track temperature for your competitors so they lost grip?>> I so rarely get shown on TV, I thought surely this would get their attention. It worked, but they only showed it for a moment during the credits at the end of the broadcast. As it turned out, I actually got a minute or so of airtime during the race anyway. After I was lapped by a Porch and another car. I managed to stick on their tails for quite a bit and going into Turn 1, the microphone captured my downshift perfectly. Sounded pretty good! <<Glad to hear you are OK.>> Thanx much! C. > Hey... a.shole: (etc, etc) Oh well, I give up. I thought you were coming back in here with a serious request for help, from a group who have once again proved themselves to be willing. I should have been surprised that Iain offered all that advice, considering how unpleasant you've been to him, but I'm wasn't, because I know what a good man he is. I shouldn't have been surprised by your response, but I was. I guess I need to get away from my naive 'there's some good in everyone' attitude and learn that some people are just fundamentally nasty. I'm sure you won't give a damn but that's the last time I'll try to help you. -Paul > I'm sure you won't give a damn but that's the last time I'll try to help > you. To put it succinctly, f.ck him. He comes in here asking a question which frankly has been asked a million times before one way or another and then get's arsy about suggested sources of information. If the fuckwit had half a brain he'd have searched & found out all there was to know anyway - there's no friggin' mystery about 308GTSis vs QVs etc, lets face it! ...and I do wish he'd stop crawling up T308's arse - its most unhygenic! Time to open another bottle of that Raynella & stick our feet up methinks Mr D. I. > Time to open another bottle of that Raynella & stick our feet up > methinks Mr D. Regretably, that was the last one, Mr M :-( .... but a nice Vino Nobile di Montepulciano will be just fine :-) -Paul >> Time to open another bottle of that Raynella & stick our feet up methinks >> Mr D. > > Regretably, that was the last one, Mr M :-( Good lord man - I do feel honoured! > .... but a nice Vino Nobile di Montepulciano will be just fine :-) Lead the way....! I. >...and I do wish he'd stop crawling up T308's arse - its most unhygenic! Did I miss something?? T308  SignatureLIVERPOOL FC - European Champions 1977, 1978, 1981, 1984, 2005 "Tifosiki 308 (The Serial Number Greek)" wrote: > Did I miss something?? Must be all that Fosters you've been drinking recently. -MCPD <<I guess I need to get away from my naive 'there's some good in everyone' attitude >> I'd go with, there's some entertainment value in everyone if you're properly inebriated. Or they are. C. >A friend is considering his first Ferrari purchase, something in the > range of, and with a bit more brio and gravitas than, say, a Honda > S2000 (a supreme car, but you get what I mean). > > Realistically a 79-82 308 GTSi is the target: > Please: Tell me what I don't know. By which you mean don't everyone say 'No, no, choose the carb or QV'. Well, I'm going to say it anyway, because its the main piece of advice you should give your friend. I drove all three main variants before getting a QV. I understand what the Carb Crew mean, but the QV just pulls better. The 'i' was noticeably less inspiring. > Are there preferable years within the series (other than last being > most removed from beta)? See above ;-) > Which are the great white whales of NOS mechanical/body parts? I believe that Ferrari have a commitment to continue to make available *all* parts... ...of course they do this via third parties, and only when there's sufficient demand. Sounds like fuel pipes are an issue. Your chum should join the owner's clubs, that way he should be able to access lists of parts as they become available. Another thing to bear in mind is that given the cost of the parts and the ...ahem... 'hefty' nature of the construction, many items can be successfully re-conditionnned. > Which is the holy grail interior bit? Probably the plastic bits and swtichgear. Otherwise you can have entire interiors re-finished. Actually, I've just remembered that electric mirror switches went off the list a few years ago and I don't think have come back. > What's a clutch replacement going to cost (NY metro)? > > FORZA states a "not 100%-accurate reputation for burning oil", but > can't be arsed to explain further? More cylinders burn more oil in my experience (of a couple of V6s and a couple of V8s). My 80k miles (ish) 308 drinks maybe a litre every 2,500 miles. > Metric tires: What the f.ck were they thinking? God knows. I've replaced my wheels with look-alike imperials, now I can run Goodyear Eagle F1s (very nice!) > Where do I find a copy of "My Ferrari's Roof Squeaks: Care, and > tuning of the 308 GTS roof hatch, with choral arrangements"? I'm not sure there is one. Plenty of glossy guides, but other than that... find a friendly expert. > 24-yr old Koni's: To rebuild or replace (can they even be sourced > new)? Dunno! > Which Mercedes used the same brake pads? Dunno! > How to lively up the old mare, without feeding her rice-a-roni? A 'sports' exhaust system seems to be where most people start. > Too few miles - dry rot and ennui, too many miles - deferred > maintenance snowballs: What's the mileage sweetspot on a 22/24-yr old > 308? See above ;-) -Paul > I believe that Ferrari have a commitment to continue to make available > *all* parts... > > ...of course they do this via third parties, and only when there's > sufficient demand. ROFL....and when it suits them >Sounds like fuel pipes are an issue. Some not available from FUK but basically all available from aftermarket sources (Gates etc). Dizzy caps for 308's & 328s are apparently rarer than rocking horse sh.t at the moment though & there are some Dinos for which there are no rotor arms available and cars off the road because of it according to Mr L at QV. I. |
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