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'Ferrari 365GTB/4 1972'

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joey - 21 Aug 2005 05:14 GMT
I am in Australia and need some advice.
A relation who has just died in USA has,as part of his estate,a 'Ferrari
365GTB/4 1972' which is in pristine condition (he was a collector)
upon which the insurance is US $2000.00 for six (6) months which seems
extraordinarily excessive in Australian terms.
Based on this amount, what sort of current market value have in USA?
Joey
Tifosi 308 (The Serial Number Geek) - 21 Aug 2005 18:07 GMT
> I am in Australia and need some advice.
> A relation who has just died in USA has,as part of his estate,a 'Ferrari
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> Based on this amount, what sort of current market value have in USA?
> Joey

Very excessive.  An associate who owns a 356GTS/4 pays $1200 for a car
that's worth three times as much as the Daytona.

T308

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ReeferGuy - 23 Aug 2005 19:42 GMT
Gee, I don't know fellas.

$350 a month to insure a Daytona doesn't really seem "excessive"

What kind of policy is it?

Collision?

I know that Daytonas are nowhere near the million dollar mark anymore,
but a decent one must be worth at least, what, a quarter mil or so?

If you went out and wrapped a Daytona around a fireplug, how much do you
think a door, fender, or quarter panel would cost?

2 years ago, a friend needed a drivers door for a BMW 750IL.

$5,900.

His insurance premium that year was, I believe, $2,400.

In New York City that is.

Insurance ain't cheap man.

$4,000 a year to insure a Daytona is a good deal, depending, of course,
on the coverage.

                     ReeferGuy™
                    USMC•FDNY
                 Live. and Let Live

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ar50troll@gmail.com - 24 Aug 2005 13:16 GMT
I pay over $600US for a  2 Testarossas under collector car status.  It
is much better coverage then what is minimally required, nonethelesss
it is well over 4k yearly...
Any many will argue, and I agree depending on condition of course, that
a mint 365 is of higher value than 2 Testarossas.
ar50troll@gmail.com - 24 Aug 2005 14:19 GMT
$600 monthly that is...
Tiger Racing - 24 Aug 2005 22:55 GMT
<<I pay over $600US for a  2 Testarossas under collector car status.>>

You're getting screwed.

C.
ar50troll@gmail.com - 26 Aug 2005 13:58 GMT
Not really.  It's all matter of perspective.  I have a $150 US
deductable.  Full coverage.  And I do mean full.  With the high price
of parts it makes sense to me.  Not to mention I seem to get a speeding
ticket about once a month...  It wasn't always 600 a month :-)   As
long as I pick up a client in the cars or use them during the course of
work I can be creative with my taxes and make it a wash as far as cost!

I would think the one getting screwed would be the one who does not
have good insurance.
But semantics are semantics....
Paul Duffin - 26 Aug 2005 16:54 GMT
> Not really.  It's all matter of perspective.  I have a $150 US
> deductable.  Full coverage.  And I do mean full.  With the high price
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> have good insurance.
> But semantics are semantics....

This always amazes me - in the UK all insurance carries virtually
unlimited cover for any third parties costs in the event of an accident
being the fault of the insured, but as I understand it, this is not the
case in the states. If I were to crash off the road into a line of fifty
people (not that I intend to, you understand), all of whom consequently
need medical care for life, my insurance would cover it - even cheap
insurance. I can choose to pay for 'comprehensive' insurance, which will
cover my own costs, with various 'value' options in the event of my car
being destroyed from 'market value' through to 'agreed value' or
'independently valued'.

The main difference (in my thankfully minimal experience) is the way the
companies process claims and generally deal with clients - the end
result is pretty much the same.

As I understand it (and please correct me if I'm in error), in the US
somebody could run into me, destroy my $100,000 car (stop giggling at
the back, I'm hypothesising!) and if they have less cover, I'm basically
out of luck. Assuming I'm correct, what does one then do? sue them? and
if they can't afford decent insurance, what are the chances of them
having the money?

And what if the same person hits the line of people? are they out of
luck too? (obviously they weren't too lucky in the first place, but you
get my drift).

-Paul

P.S. I pay around $900 a year to insure the 308. I'm covered for around
replacement value of around $50,000 on the car... maybe more on a good
day ;-)
Tiger Racing - 29 Aug 2005 18:27 GMT
<<Not really. It's all matter of perspective.>>

Not really. It's all a matter of how much money you are being hosed
for.

<<I have a $150 US deductable.  Full coverage.  And I do mean full.
With the high price of parts it makes sense to me.>>

If you didn't have to pay so much in insurance every month, you could
invest that money and have plenty to buy parts with.

<<Not to mention I seem to get a speeding ticket about once a
month...>>

That's not something I'd brag about.

<<As long as I pick up a client in the cars or use them during the
course of work I can be creative with my taxes and make it a wash as
far as cost!>>

Neither is that.

<<I would think the one getting screwed would be the one who does not
have good insurance.>>

So if one is not paying $600/month for insurance then one must not have
*good* insurance? Doesn't follow.

The reason I said you're getting screwed was based on your assertion
that your vehicles were covered as *collector cars* and the fact that
my experience with this type of insurance appears to be vastly
different than yours.

<<But semantics are semantics....>>

Semantics count. Straw men don't.

C.
 
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