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I've always wanted a Ferrari and now have the money to buy one for up to $55,000. What would be the best model and year to look for that 1) is the best investment, and 2) will actually be able to be driven around town once in a while. Thanks For that paltry sun your in the 328 neighborhood. You could also go 308, Mondial. But you said best investment :-) For that paltry sum your in the 328 neighborhood. You could also go 308, Mondial. But you said best investment :-) <<that paltry sum>> Even the millionaires that I know don't scoff at $50,000. Hel, they don't scoff at $100. Your attitude too often reeks of Ferrari owner stereotypes. It's not attractive. C. If you don't agree that 55K is a paltry sum for an F Car of any reasonable investment value...well...hmm I have been stuck at this flashing cursor for over 5 minutes now trying to figure out how to make it something simple enough for you to grasp. The post isn't about being attractive or not. The original request was for a suggestion of an investment grade purchase in the 55k range for an F-Car. Advice was given. Proper and good advice at that. Ferrari is a marque that is marketed towards those of us who have achieved success. Ferrari is a flamboyant, boisterous car. As is many of their owners. It is not possible for me to care less what you may think about me or my posts, albeit incorrect. <<If you don't agree that 55K is a paltry sum for an F Car of any reasonable investment value...well...>> I don't know how well the lower priced Ferraris are currently holding their value and honestly don't know what the cost of some of the older Ferraris are right now either. However, I still strongly disagree that 55K is a *paltry* sum, no matter what the context. As I said, I know quite a few who have far more money than I do that feel the same way. Even when considering the relative value of various sums of money, they don't tend to use such condescending language when engaging in casual conversation with others. <<The post isn't about being attractive or not.>> I said that your general attitude is unattractive. I have the sneaking suspicion that you pull this holier than thou crap IRL just like you do on the NG. At least, you would like to. Can't truly say if you actually walk around with your chest puffed out like it sounds when you post. <<Ferrari is a marque that is marketed towards those of us who have achieved success.>> They're actually marketed toward anyone who has the money to buy one. I don't call inheritance or drug money *success*. Of course, I also don't call making a load of money in a legitimate business *success* either, unless one is a decent person and that money and work are balanced out with the rest of one's life. <<Ferrari is a flamboyant, boisterous car. As is many of their owners.>> Are you sure you aren't talking about Lamborghinis? <<It is not possible for me to care less what you may think about me or my posts>> Oh, I'm sure you're quite aloof and all, but I bet if I agreed with more of what you said, you'd be ever so much more interested. C. > They're actually marketed toward anyone who has the money to buy one. > I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > unless one is a decent person and that money and work are balanced out > with the rest of one's life. Well said! Some people 'know the price of everything and the value of nothing' -MCPD Semantics are semantics. There is also that drivel that money cannot buy happines. That is utter garbage. I have been on both sides of the financial fence, and I can honestly say my money buys me happiness. touche' It's not unlike the first Amendment here in the US...Everybody thinks the 1st Amendment is the greatest thing ever penned...until someone says something you don't like... > I've always wanted a Ferrari and now have the money to buy one for up to > $55,000. What would be the best model and year to look for that 1) is the > best investment, and 2) will actually be able to be driven around town once > in a while. > > Thanks If you want a Ferrari for an investment you might as well say you want a porn star for a wife... It sounds good in theory (to some people) but in practice it ain't gonna work out. Ferraris hold their value well but they cost money to fix, and if you don't drive them for long periods they can cost even more. You can get a 348 for that money, which is the newest model in that price range. A later model would be best. Several older models fit the bill but who knows if they'll appreciate and some (365GTC/4, 400i, etc.) are _very_ expensive to maintain. Not all older Ferraris appreciate over time, and after the bubble burst in the '90s people are more cautious about them. Thinking about the car as an investment will only bring you heartache as the first major service eats up your potential profit. Or, if you're like some of the jackasses out there, you let it sit with stale gas and flat-spotted tires until you're tired of mopping up the oil that has started leaking past the dried out seals and then you try to unload it for a year, lowering your price finally to a point where somebody who really loves the marque takes it off your hands and starts emptying his wallet to make it right again when it should never have deteriorated in the first place... Now, if you had bought a Hemi 'Cuda for $20k back in the 80's you'd be a rich man right now. Of course, if you had bought an even rarer AMC Rebel Machine you'd maybe break even... The musclecar market, as well as the chopper market, is eventually going to regress back toward the mean. In ten years people are going to be making jokes about the '00s with the over-the-top choppers, poker 24-7, million-dollar musclecars, and the resurgence of the mullet-with-trucker-hat look... I have a bad feeling the 80's are going to make a comeback over the next few years, so maybe a 944 or 280ZX is the next hot thing... Hell, if big mustaches and small shorts come back in style the 308 may be hotter than anything else... :-) My 2 cents... -Matt- "..." >Hell, if big mustaches and small shorts come > back in style the 308 may be hotter than anything else... :-) Paulo's counting on it !! > My 2 cents... always worth at least a dollar..... I. "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote > Now, if you had bought a Hemi 'Cuda Huh? >Of course, if you had > bought an even rarer AMC Rebel Machine Scuzzi? [1] >. In ten years people are going to be > making jokes about the '00s with the over-the-top > choppers, poker 24-7, parli inglese, per favore! [2] > Hell, if big mustaches and small shorts come > back in style the 308 may be hotter than anything else... :-) Damn you! Damn you to hel(l) ! -MCPD. [1] I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about [2] Nope. Still not a remote clue. > "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote > > > Now, if you had bought a Hemi 'Cuda > > Huh? Plymouth Barracuda from the late 60's-early 70's offered with the 426 Hemi engine. Considered the pinnacle of badass musclecars by many, although when bone stock a 440 "six-pack" (3 2-bbl carbs) powered car was just as quick if not quicker. The 'Cuda abbreviation was used on the highest performance models. A Hemi 'Cuda has always been one of the more expensive used musclecars to buy but it wasn't always the highest priced and currently a fully restored one goes for a price well into six figures, whereas when I was a kid in the 80's dreaming of one they were still $20k to at most $30k. > >Of course, if you had > > bought an even rarer AMC Rebel Machine > > Scuzzi? [1] American Motors (AMC) built a car that was similar to a Chevy Chevelle in size with their hottest engine of that era (390 cubic inches), painted it in a wild red, white, and blue paint scheme, added a hood scoop and other goodies and gave it the unwieldy name of "the new AMC Rebel, 'The Machine'". Despite it's rarity it doesn't have a lot of collector value except to AMC enthusiasts, so it is still attainable, but a poor investment. I'd drive one though, I've always liked the offbeat, quirky cars that AMC built back then. No, I do not want a Pacer, Gremlin, Spirit, SX/4, etc. > >. In ten years people are going to be > > making jokes about the '00s with the over-the-top > > choppers, poker 24-7, > > parli inglese, per favore! [2] Every dork in America wants a ridiculous, parade float, 300-series rear tire chopper. I'm glad choppers finally made a comeback because I've always liked them, but it's one of those things where it went mainstream and while the work that goes into some of the bikes is very impressive, the market is so saturated and it's all like this: For Sale: Big Cock Thunderdick Ribsplitter Chopper 146" Motor, 4" BDL Belt Drive, 355mm rear tire, twelve candy colors, paint by "Cockroach", third place at Rat's Hole custom show, $75,000 obo no dreamers. Seriously the bikes have tough guy names and they're bought by podiatrists... It's the Harley jokes times ten. It's S&M dress-up for guys that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag... Yeesh. Poker 24-7 means poker tournaments are everywhere in the U.S. now. Everybody is a poker player now, which would be fine, except I don't need the Travel Channel showing me Texas Hold 'Em tournaments twenty hours a day. The same dork that wants the bright purple bike from Vengeance Murder Choppers also wants to talk to you about how he likes to play Texas Hold 'Em (a version of poker that is very popular) on the weekends and loves watching the World Poker Tour every single damned day. The preening, ego-stroking crap that comes along with this makes every twit in a tough-guy shirt want to talk tough to those around him, making it twice as fun to crack jokes at their expense but also twice as aggravating to be around them in the first place. Legitimate tough guys are easy to spot. You know them when you see them. The poser dorks are the ones that aggravate the crap out of me. I just want to pull them aside and say "I know your shirt says 'badass', 'come get some', and 'it don't hurt 'til the bone shows', but the rest of you says 'I got picked on a lot in school and still haven't gotten over it, please don't take my lunch money'..." > > Hell, if big mustaches and small shorts come > > back in style the 308 may be hotter than anything else... :-) > > Damn you! Damn you to hel(l) ! Ho ho ho, tell Higgins ve said hello. Hee hee hee... -Matt- "..." "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote > Ho ho ho, tell Higgins ve said hello. Hee hee hee... That's one helluva memory you got there, boy. Thanks for the glossary - most informative. As I was saying to Psycho Mike t'other day (when he suggested that he might buy me a Stetson) it is quite amazing the cultural difference between the Brits and the 'Merkins in terms of what is generally accepted as a 'tough' look. In Nashville, if you step out of pick-up truck wearing a Stetson, a 'wife-beater' shirt (showing off your tattoos), torn denims and cowboy boots, you're as tough a sonofabitch as ever walked the street... In London, you're gay. Paul (who will not be wearing a Stetson anytime soon) <<In Nashville, if you step out of pick-up truck wearing a Stetson, a 'wife-beater' shirt (showing off your tattoos), torn denims and cowboy boots, you're as tough a sonofabitch as ever walked the street... In London, you're gay.>> I bet just about anyplace that you wear pink, satin, capri pants people will think you're gay. C. > I bet just about anyplace that you wear pink, satin, capri pants > people > will think you're gay. I wish I could remember where all this 'capri pants' business started. I have a suspicion that 'that bastard Miller' may have had much to do with it... -MCPD > > I bet just about anyplace that you wear pink, satin, capri pants > > people [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have a suspicion that 'that bastard Miller' may have had much to do with > it... Denied - categorically!! I'll take the blame for Mars/LRT Red, "Just how black are your tyres??" and "CNdeGrape Juice" but Pink Capri Pants? I really don't think so!! Methinks this was of your own invention Mr D! I. "Iain Miller" <donot@spam.me> wrote in > Denied - categorically!! > I'll take the blame for Mars/LRT Red, "Just how black are your > tyres??" and > "CNdeGrape Juice" but Pink Capri Pants? I really don't think so!! > Methinks > this was of your own invention Mr D! I can see I'm going to have to google this... <tap-tap-tap... tappety-tap... ...pause> shite! putting "Ferrari Capri Pants" into google under 'news' gives four pages! <tries 'duffiin capri pants'> ... <embarrassed silence> ...jeeeeez, I talk a lot of crap in this news group, don't I? -MCPD " New! Get the latest messages on duffin capri pants emailed to you with Google Alerts. " WTF??? "Paul Duffin" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message > -MCPD > > " New! Get the latest messages on duffin capri pants emailed to you with > Google Alerts. " > > WTF??? That is beyond funny... Once I stopped laughing I had to acknowledge it... -Matt- "..." "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote > That is beyond funny... Once I stopped laughing I had to acknowledge > it... And? -MCPD > "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -MCPD ...and I didn't sign up for email alerts, as the group pretty much alerts me whenever you make a capri pants joke anyway. -Matt- "..." > "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote > > > Ho ho ho, tell Higgins ve said hello. Hee hee hee... > > That's one helluva memory you got there, boy. So I've been told... :-) > Thanks for the glossary - most informative. As I was saying to Psycho > Mike t'other day (when he suggested that he might buy me a Stetson) it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Paul > (who will not be wearing a Stetson anytime soon) Yeah, cultural differences are pretty funny sometimes. Cowboy stuff looks out of place up here too, though not nearly as bad as it would in London... Now there's an idea that cracks me up. I was in Nashville earlier this year (think I told you, but maybe not) and had a good time. Good barbecue (I know, not your thing), great biscuits at the Loveless Cafe, and friendly people most places we went. It was no Manhattan, but it was a nice visit nonetheless... ;-) -Matt- "Insert 'steers and queers' joke here." "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote > I was in Nashville earlier this year (think I told you, but maybe > not) and had a good time. Good barbecue (I know, not your > thing), great biscuits at the Loveless Cafe, Hey! been there, done that! > and friendly people most places we went. Yes, for the ultra-conservative, war mongering, Christian right, they were very friendly. Ackshully, damn my 24/7 cynicism, they *were* very friendly! > It was no Manhattan, but it was a nice visit nonetheless... ;-) High five there buddy! (gods, I am getting teddibly 'merkin, aren't I?) > -Matt- "Insert 'steers and queers' joke here." I think you'll find that that was Texas (How tall are you, son? Damn, I didn't think they stacked sh.t that high!) Did you know that the Viet Nam scenes were filmed in London? 'Tis true. -MCPD > "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Hey! been there, done that! Wow, small world, eh? > > and friendly people most places we went. > > Yes, for the ultra-conservative, war mongering, Christian right, they > were very friendly. Ackshully, damn my 24/7 cynicism, they *were* very > friendly! NRA Life Member over here, much to my wife's dismay... Funny how we can all get along... > > It was no Manhattan, but it was a nice visit nonetheless... ;-) > > High five there buddy! (gods, I am getting teddibly 'merkin, aren't I?) Word... > > -Matt- "Insert 'steers and queers' joke here." > > I think you'll find that that was Texas (How tall are you, son? Damn, I > didn't think they stacked sh.t that high!) > > Did you know that the Viet Nam scenes were filmed in London? 'Tis true. I didn't know that, but then again I would have believed the French scenes in the old series "Combat" were really from France had VH1's "pop-up video" not pointed out to me that the Bee-Gees did a video on the same set, which was nowhere near France... Damn, life get's pretty obscure sometimes... -Matt- "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote > NRA Life Member over here, much to my wife's dismay... Funny how we > can all get along... I tried to join the NRA, without success, so I tried NWA instead. I figured one letter difference wouldn't matter much... ...Boy, was I wrong! Now I have to roll up one leg of my capri pants and nobody will explain why. MC-mutha-PD > "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > MC-mutha-PD So you're the guy that replaced MC Ren... MCPD representin' Ruthless Records... Who knew? -Matt- "..." <<A Hemi 'Cuda has always been one of the more expensive used musclecars to buy but it wasn't always the highest priced and currently a fully restored one goes for a price well into six figures, whereas when I was a kid in the 80's dreaming of one they were still $20k to at most $30k.>> It really has gotten silly. Even Sheehan thinks so: http://ferraris-online.com/Articles/SCM_200505_SS.shtml <<No, I do not want a Pacer, Gremlin, Spirit, SX/4, etc.>> Of course not. You'd have to be taking double handfuls of Psycho Mike's purple pills to want one of those. <<For Sale: Big Cock Thunderdick Ribsplitter Chopper 146" Motor, 4" BDL Belt Drive, 355mm rear tire, twelve candy colors, paint by "Cockroach", third place at Rat's Hole custom show, $75,000 obo no dreamers.>> That's just funny. Accurate, and funny. <G> <<Legitimate tough guys are easy to spot. You know them when you see them. >> I looked a lion in the eye the other day and even though he was behind 2" of plexiglass (or whatever it is that they use to hold them in while allowing puny humans the chance to get a clear and up close look) and even though I knew he wasn't talking directly to me and that it probably barely occured to him that I might be made out of meat, when that cat roared, a tiny chill crept up my spine and I felt uneasy in the a way that must be similar to how the giraffes and kudu on the other side of the park feel. That lion reminded me of my ex-husband. I wouldn't want to meet either of them in a dark alley without some Omaha Steaks at hand to throw down to distract them. OTOH, poseurs make me giggle. C. > <<A Hemi 'Cuda has always been one of the more expensive used > musclecars to buy but it wasn't always the highest priced and currently [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://ferraris-online.com/Articles/SCM_200505_SS.shtml I'm glad such an authority agrees with me... It's ridiculous... > <<No, I do not want a Pacer, Gremlin, Spirit, SX/4, etc.>> > > Of course not. You'd have to be taking double handfuls of Psycho Mike's > purple pills to want one of those. I agree. > <<For Sale: Big Cock Thunderdick Ribsplitter Chopper 146" Motor, 4" BDL > Belt Drive, 355mm rear tire, twelve candy colors, paint by "Cockroach", > third place at Rat's Hole custom show, $75,000 obo no dreamers.>> > > That's just funny. Accurate, and funny. <G> It's so transparent to me. There are legitimate works of motorcycle art available and then there's these big stupid parade floats that are ugly, tacky, and ride like sh.t. > <<Legitimate tough guys are easy to spot. You know them when you see > them. >> > > I looked a lion in the eye the other day and even though he was behind > 2" of plexiglass <snip> Yeah, working in mental health with so many convicted rapists, murderers, etc (yes I went back to my old field, no more automotive stuff, at least as a job) I've gotten pretty good at sniffing out the legitimately dangerous versus the trying-too-hard types. After a few encounters you just know who's bad, and when they're _truly_ bad you just stay the hell away from them, assuming you're smart. There's pretty bad, really bad, and occasionally some people are just pure evil and it just emanates from them like a fog. They won't necessarily want to start something right there, but you just know that under the proper circumstances they'd happily kill you and do nasty things with your corpse... But yeah, the poser types remind me of a quote from the old Drew Carey show. "Is patheti-sad a word?" -Matt- "I dunno, how 'bout sarcasti-bitch?" matt borland wrote: > I've gotten > pretty good at sniffing out the legitimately dangerous versus [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > just know that under the proper circumstances they'd happily > kill you and do nasty things with your corpse... And I know you think you know where I fit, but you'd be wrong!! > matt borland wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > And I know you think you know where I fit, but you'd be wrong!! I can't even see you, what with the cloaking device on your 'Bird of Prey' and all... I'm a sucker for the Shatner-era Star Trek references... -Matt- "..." matt borland wrote: > I can't even see you, what with the cloaking > device on your 'Bird of Prey' and all.. My interpersonal relationships counseling team has advised leaning towards some measure of anonymity. <<I can't even see you, what with the cloaking device on your 'Bird of Prey' and all... I'm a sucker for the Shatner-era Star Trek references...>> <ahem> I believe you mean to refer to a Romulan Warbird and not a Klingon Bird of Prey. Both have cloaking technology, but the space ships are distinctly different. C. :::who is a Trekker, not a Trekkie::: > <<I can't even see you, what with the cloaking device on your 'Bird of > Prey' and all... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > C. :::who is a Trekker, not a Trekkie::: Oh, the shame... Yes, the Warbird. My mistake... -Matt- :::who hasn't watched the show in a long time::: matt borland wrote: > For Sale: Big Cock Thunderdick Ribsplitter Chopper > 146" Motor, 4" BDL Belt Drive, 355mm rear tire, > twelve candy colors, paint by "Cockroach", third place > at Rat's Hole custom show, $75,000 obo no dreamers. Heh, heh, heh .... you good, man. >Hell, if big mustaches and small shorts come > back in style the 308 may be hotter than anything else... :-) Paulo is secretly hoping so (maybe not so secretly come to think of it!) > My 2 cents... ...always worth at least a dollar (!) I. > >Hell, if big mustaches and small shorts come > > back in style the 308 may be hotter than anything else... :-) > > Paulo is secretly hoping so (maybe not so secretly come to think of it!) Paulo + mustache = funny. > > My 2 cents... > > ...always worth at least a dollar (!) In Canada. Or Australia. Wow, remember when a dollar equaled a Euro..? Seemed so natural at the time... -Matt- "..." "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote > Paulo + mustache = funny. Up your bum (but not in a gay way). Anyhooooooo, I thought the goatee thing was a requirement for this group (though obviously not for the women). -MCPD Talk about getting off topic - you "boys" need to move this discussion to other end of the salad bar! > "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -MCPD > Talk about getting off topic - you "boys" need to move this discussion > to other end of the salad bar! If you knew this group, you'd know that this is pretty much 'custom and practice' around here. In amongst the idiocy you'll find a number of the most passionate Ferraristi and Tifosi you could ever hope to meet. There are racing drivers, historians, race fans, romantics, dreamers and just to remind us that we live in the real world, our party gets the occasional drunk who wanders in off the street, knocks your drink over and pukes in the corner... ...but such is life. So - if you are someone who understands that the most inadequate (and near insulting) description of a Ferrari is to refer to her as 'a car', then you're more than welcome to stick around. I've done more miles in a Ferrari than most which frankly isn't that difficult) and I still have a 'moment' everytime I climb in. -Paul <<our party gets the occasional drunk who wanders in off the street, knocks your drink over and pukes in the corner...>> Lookie there! You cued Mikey's entrance. <g> C. > <<our party gets the occasional drunk who wanders in off the street, > knocks your drink over and pukes in the corner...>> > > Lookie there! You cued Mikey's entrance. <g> I most certainly was not referring to Mike. Mike has a seat here with his name on the back and his own bottle behind the bar. -Paul > Talk about getting off topic - you "boys" need to move this discussion to > other end of the salad bar! This is the end where they keep the nuts... The other side has all the tossers, you wanna hang out with them? -Matt- "..." > "matt borland" <mborland@columbus.rr.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -MCPD It does appear to be standard issue, doesn't it? I'd never thought about it before. -Matt- "..." Matt, Thanks for the feedback. I know the investment angle is a dream but I'd thought I'd ask. And to me, my wife is a porn star! cd >> I've always wanted a Ferrari and now have the money to buy one for up to >> $55,000. What would be the best model and year to look for that 1) is [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > -Matt- "..." > Matt, > > Thanks for the feedback. I know the investment angle is a dream but I'd > thought I'd ask. Hey no problem, nice to see a fresh face in here. > And to me, my wife is a porn star! > > cd There's a joke to be made here, but I ain't touching it. -Matt- "Okay, as long as she's not Ron Jeremy. There. I said it." Just stay away from Kessler Auto group in Miami. I have heard of some bad experiences from him. Here is one. http://home.comcast.net/~ferraripipedream/kessler.php > I've always wanted a Ferrari and now have the money to buy one for up to > $55,000. What would be the best model and year to look for that 1) is the > best investment, and 2) will actually be able to be driven around town > once in a while. > > Thanks
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