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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Explorer / January 2005

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Antilock woes

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Jason S - 19 Sep 2004 00:40 GMT
I have a '97 Explorer with the 5.0, AWD.  Lately I've been experiencing an
issue with the antilock brakes.  When slowing down, the antilocks will kick
in once the speed of the vehicle drops below 5-10 mph.  This is happening on
a consistent basis, and is quite annoying.  The antilock dash light is not
on, and the vehicle stops fine otherwise.  I just replaced the front brakes
today, new rotors and pads, and the problem is still there.  I pulled the
antilock pickup from the hubs while I was in there and cleaned them off,
with no luck.  Any thoughts on what to look for to try and solve this
problem.  I'm about ready to just take it to a shop to have it diagnosed.

Many thanks

Jason
Jim Warman - 19 Sep 2004 03:17 GMT
A cracked or chipped tone ring, wiring concerns or even corrosion on a
connector can cause this. The easiest way is to use a capable scan tool to
monitor wheel speed signals (after checking for codes - even though the
light isn't illuminated - even though you didn't mention if the light proves
out)

If this stuff was THAT simple, I wouldn't have a job....

> I have a '97 Explorer with the 5.0, AWD.  Lately I've been experiencing an
> issue with the antilock brakes.  When slowing down, the antilocks will kick
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> Jason
Jason S - 21 Sep 2004 13:54 GMT
I never said anything was gonna be easy, and I'm not hoping to put any
mechanics out of work.  Just wanted to pose the question in case anyone else
had run into this situation, and give me some idea's to look for before
coughing up the cash to take it in and get checked.  Btw, codes were
checked, and all that came up was a code related to the O2 sensors.  I could
be wrong, but I doubt that could cross over to an antilock issue.  The
antilock and check engine lights are illuminated when starting the vehicle,
so I think it is safe to assume they are not burnt out.  Thanks for the idea
on checking connections and such for corrosion, I'll give that a look.

Jason

> A cracked or chipped tone ring, wiring concerns or even corrosion on a
> connector can cause this. The easiest way is to use a capable scan tool to
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> > Jason
Bob Nmeet - 07 Jan 2005 02:50 GMT
> I never said anything was gonna be easy, and I'm not hoping to put any
> mechanics out of work.  Just wanted to pose the question in case
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>> > Jason

My 96 does the same thing. It pulls subtly to the right at low speed when
ABS starts. Right wheel will slide in the snow while left wheel doesn't.

If left sensor has no signal at low speed then ABS computer would pulse
the left wheel.  If right sensor is noisy, then ABS would pulse the left
wheel too.

How do you find out?  I can't trust the dealer any more.  Too many things
broke when they fix something else.

Bob
Tony P. - 21 Sep 2004 11:44 GMT
My 95 did the same thing. Turned out to be sensor hubs. At low speeds, they
couldn't detect wheel movement so they released the brakes because it was
sensed as a brake lock-up situation. In my case, all 4 were replaced. They
have a tendency to get dirty & collect rust. I don't believe they can be
cleaned. Ford picked up half the tab for mine. Not a cheap fix.

Good luck,
Tony

> I have a '97 Explorer with the 5.0, AWD.  Lately I've been
> experiencing an issue with the antilock brakes.  When slowing down,
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> Jason
Jason S - 21 Sep 2004 13:57 GMT
Ouch, that was an answer I was not hoping for.  I've already checked pricing
on the hubs, and at the local Advance Auto they are about $200 each.  How
long ago did you have that done?  Despite being a 97, I still only have 57k
miles on the clock.  Would be nice if Ford would help out.  Last year I had
to replace ball joints at only 51k miles on the clock.  Not been very happy
with the high dollar stuff going wrong at such low mileages.

Jason

> My 95 did the same thing. Turned out to be sensor hubs. At low speeds, they
> couldn't detect wheel movement so they released the brakes because it was
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> > Jason
Tony P. - 22 Sep 2004 02:44 GMT
Mine was only about 3 years old at the time. It was past the warrany period
but I complained loudly  enough and Ford picked up half. It was still an
expensive fix even at half price. I'm still driving the 95 and I figured the
next time it happens, that will be the end of the ABS system. As long as I
can find the right fuse to remove.

> Ouch, that was an answer I was not hoping for.  I've already checked
> pricing on the hubs, and at the local Advance Auto they are about
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>>> Jason
Kai - 26 Sep 2004 16:34 GMT
This is a common problem with both of my 97 AWD Astro van and 95 X
sport. They are both having the same ABS design at the front wheels.
The problem was fixed by removing the Front ABS sensor and then clean
out all the rust build up on the mounting surface with a wire brush
fitted on a drill. The cause of this problem was rust build up
underneath the sensor, lifting the sensor slightly off its base. There
was a GM bulletin regarding this problem and this was the method GM
suggested for the fixes. I found it in the Internet when I was having
this same problem. Both of my trucks are ok after the cleaning.
 
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