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jwaisanen@gmail.com - 12 Jan 2005 20:05 GMT hi everyone-- would have posted this in r.a.m.ford but that group seems to have gone to hell, plus i have always gotten good responses from ramfe.
i just bought a new 2005 ranger, an upgrade from my 94 xlt explorer. i was disappointed to discover that there seems to be a speed governor (maxes out at 91-92 mph). i rarely drive that fast, but i don't want a governor on my vehicle--do any of the explorers have governors? i don't recall mine having one.
is this something that the dealership can 'remove' from my ranger? not sure if it's a mechanical part, or in the computer. it's also an issue because i was assured by the sales rep that there was NOT a governor of any type, when i was test driving. would its removal affect my warranty or my insurance in any way? i didn't get much help from the first service dept. i called.
thanks for your help, john
PS, does jim warman still post in this forum?
John Riggs - 12 Jan 2005 20:21 GMT It's a chip in the computer. Look around. After market chips are available for most makes and models.
Yes, Jim is still around.
| hi everyone-- | would have posted this in r.a.m.ford but that group seems to have gone [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] | | PS, does jim warman still post in this forum? Kevin D - 13 Jan 2005 04:10 GMT I live in Washington state, and believe me, it's good to have a governor...any governor at this point!
We just let Florida off the hook.
> It's a chip in the computer. Look around. After market chips are > available for most makes and models. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > | > | PS, does jim warman still post in this forum? Jim Warman - 13 Jan 2005 05:12 GMT Personally, I think anyone that feels the need to go that fast is a couple sandwiches shy of a picnic. Especially in something that isn't going to exhibit a great deal of stability at those speeds.
Oh, I know all about how very, very good some drivers are..... In fact, I've scraped many of them off our local highways...
> It's a chip in the computer. Look around. After market chips are > available for most makes and models. > > Yes, Jim is still around. The Malt Hound - 13 Jan 2005 22:50 GMT > Personally, I think anyone that feels the need to go that fast is a couple > sandwiches shy of a picnic. Especially in something that isn't going to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I've > scraped many of them off our local highways... I was thinking the exact same thing. What's the point in a Ranger Pickup?
-Fred W
Ron B. - 13 Jan 2005 23:08 GMT See if it can fly................
>>Personally, I think anyone that feels the need to go that fast is a couple >>sandwiches shy of a picnic. Especially in something that isn't going to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -Fred W Jim Warman - 14 Jan 2005 07:10 GMT They do..... unfortunately they lack both ailerons and rudder. Anyway, it's not the flying that kills........ but there is that little thiing with the sudden stop on landing.
On a more personal note, I really don't care if some folks are busy trying to "off" themselves (other than the trauma emergency responders experience dealing with the mess). Unfortunately, the cause of the tragedy usually winds up walking wounded while the innocents are lost.
I found these in another NG (many from here go there...). The irony is astounding.... we can apply this same irony to all manner of subjects.
http://www.dailynebraskan.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/09/17/414a5a030e91d?in_ar chive=1
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2005/01/04/local/doc41db350078259784029686.txt
> See if it can fly................ > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > -Fred W John Riggs - 14 Jan 2005 18:24 GMT I don't know that I'll look at them....they are here.
I didn't realize you were a Nebraska fan, Jim.
| They do..... unfortunately they lack both ailerons and rudder. Anyway, it's | not the flying that kills........ but there is that little thiing with the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | I found these in another NG (many from here go there...). The irony is | astounding.... we can apply this same irony to all manner of subjects. http://www.dailynebraskan.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/09/17/414a5a030e91d?in_ar chive=1
http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2005/01/04/local/doc41db350078259784029686.txt
| > See if it can fly................ | > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] | > > | > > -Fred W Jim Warman - 15 Jan 2005 03:57 GMT Actually, they are not graphic in the least, John. I'm not a Nebraska fan..... NASCAR, NHRA, Harleys, cheap whiskey and Mrs mechanic are the things I love. The first story is an article written by a university student - he's voicing his displeasure with seatbelt laws and feels they are an infringement on his basic rights. The second story deals with his demise.... ejected from the rear seat of a rolling SUV - no seatbelt.
> I don't know that I'll look at them....they are here. > > I didn't realize you were a Nebraska fan, Jim. Gordon S. Hlavenka - 15 Jan 2005 04:37 GMT > The first story is an article written by a university > student - he's voicing his displeasure with seatbelt laws and feels they are > an infringement on his basic rights. The second story deals with his > demise.... ejected from the rear seat of a rolling SUV - no seatbelt. I agree with the late Mr. Kieper that the cops should keep their noses out of my lap. The difference is, I choose to wear my seat belt. I still think the laws are wasteful of taxpayer dollars and a dangerous intrusion.
Another way to look at it is like this: Some accident situations are more dangerous when seat belts are worn. A very small percentage of accidents, true, but a few. Seat belt laws *kill* *people* in those situations. Lives are (or may be) taken without due process, innocent people martyred to the cause of safety for the majority. The State has no right to play dice with the lives of its citizens.
As I said, I always wear my seat belt; I wear it just to move from one end of the driveway to the other :-) But I should be allowed the freedom to not wear it if I choose.
 Signature Gordon S. Hlavenka http://www.crashelectronics.com Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10,000 individuals may be neurotypical
Jim Warman - 15 Jan 2005 05:45 GMT Gordon... just like in the armed forces, there will be losses of "assets". Wearing seatbelts reduces those losses. That seatbelts cause casualties is up for argument.... some MVAs are unsurvivable PERIOD. I have yet to see proof that being ejected from a fast moving vehicle is a good thing. Your chances will always be better if you are "wearing" a metal skin replete with crumple zones and other shock reducing amenities.
Someones chances of surviving an incident are increased with seatbelt use.... after all, there is no way to plan which accident is going to go which way..... indeed, does anyone "plan" to have an accident at all.
While we are on the subject of basic rights... what about the rights of those charged with cleaning up the mess left behind. Those of us dispensing emergency services (for the most part) do so out of some innate desire or need to give care to those in need.By and large, the trauma that we see does go home with us... we are forever changed by those things we see and the reaction we see from the general public (and a lot of you folks are friggin' ghouls). Shovelling folks into body bags.... having bodily fluids sprayed all over me..... listening to screamers while I try to peel their car from around them, trying to keep leakers from leaking..... I do this because someone has to and it is one way I can give back to my community. What would happen if someone chose to spread themselves down a quarter mile of highway and no-one chose to clean up the mess..... At least the ravens would enjoy it.
Laws are made to protect people from themselves. Common sense has absolutely nothing to do with IQ. Hang up a sign that says "WET PAINT" and watch.....
One final point..... if someone has gotten themselves into a bind and has a real need to accurately control their car..... ill it be the guy bouncing around inside the cab or the guy firmly attached to the chair?
I can see it now... entenched in the charter of rights... "I reserve the right to enter the Darwin award competition at my discretion...".
> > The first story is an article written by a university > > student - he's voicing his displeasure with seatbelt laws and feels they are [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > end of the driveway to the other :-) But I should be allowed the > freedom to not wear it if I choose. Gordon S. Hlavenka - 17 Jan 2005 03:06 GMT I want to make an important point here: I do not object to the use of seat belts. As I said previously, I wear mine all the time -- even on driveway "trips" of less than 30 feet at speeds of under 3mph. I was raised in a Seat Belt Family(TM); my dad bought aftermarket belts to install in our Rambler.
What I object to is seat belt LAWS. They're an intrusion of the government into areas where the government doesn't belong. I feel the same way about motorcycle helmet laws. Please note that I do not own a motorcycle and am not licensed to operate one. If I did get a bike, I'd probably wear a helmet when riding even though where I live (Illinois) there is currently no law requiring one.
Again, it's the *laws* requiring seat belts and motorcycle helmets I object to. I support and encourage the use of seat belts and motorcycle helmets.
> While we are on the subject of basic rights... what about the rights of > those charged with cleaning up the mess left behind... I'm treading dangerous ground here, because I don't want to appear ungrateful to those who do difficult work. But YOU don't HAVE to do that kind of work. If it bothers you then you're in the wrong line of business; you should switch to something you have the stomach for.
> Laws are made to protect people from themselves. Wrong. Laws are (well, should be) made to protect people from other people. You can say that seat belt laws protect society in general from the expense associated with injuries, but that's a contrived argument because it would be much more effective to just outlaw the cars themselves and be done with it.
Meanwhile, Captain Coleman wonders:
>> As to the state having no right to play with the lives of its citizens, >> seatbelt laws should probably be the last thing on your mind. What do you >> think of the little (mis)adventure the US government is doing in Iraq? We don't belong there. I think GWB is feeling guilty about having dodged Vietnam, so he's created a new Vietnam to get himself involved in. It's a bad idea, poorly executed. But that's a completely separate issue from seat belt laws. Am I allowed to be opposed to more than one thing? I sure hope so...
BTW as a 6-year US Navy veteran, I support the troops who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan (remember Afghanistan?). We don't need to repeat _that_ aspect of Vietnam too.
>> More on point, if you think that a choice to not wear a seat belt doesn't >> have an effect on anyone else, think again. Judging by his writing, Mr. >> Kieper thought playing chicken with the Grim Reaper didn't really have >> consequences. You mean like when he said this?
>>> Telling me to wear my seat belt is the same as making sure I have >>> some sort of proper education before diving into a swimming pool. If >>> I want to dive in without knowing how to swim, that is my right. And >>> if I want to be the jerk that flirts with death and rides around with >>> my seat belt off, I should be able to do that, too. Sounds like he knew exactly what he was letting himself in for.
>> There is always a cost. Ignorance and stupidity might be >> understandable. But not this. Mr. Kieper didn't give a damn. And >> the price of his selfishness was his life. I disagree. Derek Kieper _did_ give a damn. He gave a damn about personal freedoms and unnecessary government interference with those freedoms. What he paid the ultimate price for was getting into an Explorer driven by someone who couldn't handle ice.
If anyone wants to discuss this further, I'd be happy to oblige. But by email, please, as it's offtopic for this newsgroup and I'll be unsubscribing soon since I'm selling my Explorer (see my previous "RIP 1FMD..." post).
 Signature Gordon S. Hlavenka http://www.crashelectronics.com Tragically, as many as 9625 out of every 10,000 individuals may be neurotypical
Kevin Trojanowski - 17 Jan 2005 03:53 GMT > What I object to is seat belt LAWS. They're an intrusion of the > government into areas where the government doesn't belong. I feel the > same way about motorcycle helmet laws. Please note that I do not own a > motorcycle and am not licensed to operate one. If I did get a bike, I'd > probably wear a helmet when riding even though where I live (Illinois) > there is currently no law requiring one. ...and what I object to is MY tax money being spent on medical care and disability for people who think that whether or not they choose to wear a seatbelt or helmet is none of my concern.
-Kevin
First Source - 17 Jan 2005 06:04 GMT >> What I object to is seat belt LAWS. They're an intrusion of the >> government into areas where the government doesn't belong. I feel the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >-Kevin Then the solution is to tell your gvt to stop paying for things they are not obliged to pay for, not to tell supposedly free adult citizens what they must wear to be legal when driving.
Jim Warman - 17 Jan 2005 04:46 GMT I'm at somewhat of a loss, here.... You wear seatbelts meaning that seatbelt laws have little impact on you. However, lack of seatbelt laws would have those less able to form a sensible decision bouncing around inside their vehicles instead of planted in the drivers seat in a position to regain control. These people could have an immense impact on your life.
Nobody plans on having an accident... it's not a concious decision.... but an accident is something that can happen just after you notice those headlights approaching.
These laws are designed to protect people from themselves and, to a point, to protect us from them. I can see where you might think it is eroding your rights... your right to die, involved in someone elses accident..... the right to fall victim to a friend or neghbour who has witnessed one to many horrendous, needless road tragedy.
Since when should the desires of an individual be allowed to outweigh the needs of the masses?
> I want to make an important point here: I do not object to the use of > seat belts. As I said previously, I wear mine all the time -- even on [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > unsubscribing soon since I'm selling my Explorer (see my previous "RIP > 1FMD..." post). Hairy - 17 Jan 2005 06:39 GMT > I'm at somewhat of a loss, here.... You wear seatbelts meaning that seatbelt > laws have little impact on you. However, lack of seatbelt laws would have [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Since when should the desires of an individual be allowed to outweigh the > needs of the masses? In light of your views, would you advocate legislation that would make your Harley illegal to operate on public roadways? Motorcycles offer much less protection than a car with no seatbelts. H
Jim Warman - 18 Jan 2005 01:33 GMT No.... however, I do proscribe to protective clothing issues (currently limited to DOT approved helmets). Additionally, a special licence is required to ride a motorcycle and the practical test is extensive... even if the rider already possesses a fourwheeler licence. The testing includes such safety considerations as lane positioning and situational awareness.
In the past, I was concerned that the youngsters on the crotch-rockets were doing themselves away at an alarming rate that could make it bad for the rest of us but Alberta has embarked on a graduated licence system that will, hopefully, help.
At any rate, trying to compare motorcycling to car riding is an apples and oranges thing. The perception of the masses is that they are safe within their steel cocoon and don't need their belts. OTOH, most riders are painfully aware of their vulnerability.... even though the jerk-off jockeys don't appear to exercise the thought.
And lastly..... how would banning a type of vehicle from the road be comparable to insisting on someone wearing seatbelts?
> In light of your views, would you advocate legislation that would make your > Harley illegal to operate on public roadways? Motorcycles offer much less > protection than a car with no seatbelts. > H First Source - 18 Jan 2005 03:21 GMT >No.... however, I do proscribe to protective clothing issues (currently >limited to DOT approved helmets). Additionally, a special licence is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >And lastly..... how would banning a type of vehicle from the road be >comparable to insisting on someone wearing seatbelts? Does Canada have a helmet law? I would guess they do.
>> In light of your views, would you advocate legislation that would make >your >> Harley illegal to operate on public roadways? Motorcycles offer much less >> protection than a car with no seatbelts. >> H Jim Warman - 18 Jan 2005 04:22 GMT Yes... these laws are enacted by each province... seems to me most all the provinces came in about the same time but helmets are the rule everywhere for a long, long time. I will admit to cheating when on private land (that's how I learned to ride... before bucket laws) but if I plan on getting frisky, I make sure all of my bits are covered up.
Getting back to the crotch-rocket crew..... every time I see youngsters - no shirt - no shoes - shorts - girlfreind on the back in the same state of undress....(well, aside from the no shirt)... I am deeply saddened. Common sense took another holiday...
> >No.... however, I do proscribe to protective clothing issues (currently > >limited to DOT approved helmets). Additionally, a special licence is [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >> protection than a car with no seatbelts. > >> H Captain Coleman - 15 Jan 2005 05:55 GMT I can't say I agree with you. I know the arguement, if what I'm doing doesn't hurt anyone, then why should anyone care? I've got a right to privacy. The point of seatbelt laws is to save lives and prevent injury. And yes, people not wearing seatbelts do have an impact on others and society. Our tax dollars pay to scrape these individuals off the pavement. Those that are injuried and have insurance contribute to our ever increasing health insurance costs. Those who don't have insurance receive medical care that is paid for by government and/or subsidized by those with insurance. And I'm sure there are many more effects on society by those not wearing seat belts. We all play by rules to live in this society. Heck, we wouldn't have one without rules. Anarchy wouldn't be pretty, much less give us highways to roll our explorers on. As to the state having no right to play with the lives of its citizens, seatbelt laws should probably be the last thing on your mind. What do you think of the little (mis)adventure the US government is doing in Iraq? Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead. Nearly 1500 citizens dead because the state sent them there based on a lie? (Remember WMDs? It just bacame official this week, they didn't exist!) That is one hell of a dice game with citizens lives if I've ever seen one. More on point, if you think that a choice to not wear a seat belt doesn't have an effect on anyone else, think again. Judging by his writing, Mr. Kieper thought playing chicken with the Grim Reaper didn't really have consequences. Someone, paid by your tax dollars, had to scrape him off the road. A funeral, which someone has to pay for, had to be performed. There is always a cost. Ignorance and stupidity might be understandable. But not this. Mr. Kieper didn't give a damn. And the price of his selfishness was his life.
>> The first story is an article written by a university >> student - he's voicing his displeasure with seatbelt laws and feels they [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > of the driveway to the other :-) But I should be allowed the freedom to > not wear it if I choose. Kevin D - 16 Jan 2005 01:08 GMT Not to mention the pain caused to the family members who have lost a loved one. Can anything be worse than burying a child? What if the primary wage earner is killed because he or she didn't want to wear a seat belt (or a motorcycle or bicycle helmet)? Think of all the repercussions of trying to raise a family on a shoestring.
Something like this happened to my mother-in-law. Her husband worked at a company that rebuilt combine engines. He violated safety rules by standing under an engine when it was up on a hoist, and it fell on him. Let's just say it was a closed-casket funeral. My wife was 6 years old at the time, with four brothers and sisters. Five kids who grew up without their father, and a woman who went through hell to raise five children all by herself. Fortunately, there was a small life insurance policy that just paid off their house (we're talking about the days when a five-bedroom house sold for $7,000), but she had to figure out the rest. All because one person took a stupid chance, probably figuring that "it can't happen to me".
You're right., CC, ignoring rules like this because of some childish, idiotic desire to thumb one's nose at authority is selfish. People need to understand that they don't live in a vacuum - their actions ALWAYS affect others. However, in the case of seat belts, there is only one way to get these fools to change their ways, and that is to hit them in the pocketbook. There's a woman where I work who just got a $100 ticket for not wearing her seat belt. She wears it now - complains about having to do it, but does it.
>I can't say I agree with you. I know the arguement, if what I'm doing >doesn't hurt anyone, then why should anyone care? I've got a right to [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >> end of the driveway to the other :-) But I should be allowed the freedom >> to not wear it if I choose. John Riggs - 15 Jan 2005 11:20 GMT Uh, Jim...I ever tell you I'm *in* Nebraska....where all of this happened, and in Lincoln, where both articles were written, and he made the evening news?
I knew they weren't graphic..this ain't Arkansas Road Kill....it's just that they tend to run things like that into the ground here.
| Actually, they are not graphic in the least, John. I'm not a Nebraska | fan..... NASCAR, NHRA, Harleys, cheap whiskey and Mrs mechanic are the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | > | > I didn't realize you were a Nebraska fan, Jim.
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