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jwaisanen@gmail.com - 12 Jan 2005 20:05 GMT
hi everyone--
would have posted this in r.a.m.ford but that group seems to have gone
to hell, plus i have always gotten good responses from ramfe.

i just bought a new 2005 ranger, an upgrade from my 94 xlt explorer.  i
was disappointed to discover that there seems to be a speed governor
(maxes out at 91-92 mph).  i rarely drive that fast, but i don't want a
governor on my vehicle--do any of the explorers have governors? i don't
recall mine having one.

is this something that the dealership can 'remove' from my ranger? not
sure if it's a mechanical part, or in the computer.  it's also an issue
because i was assured by the sales rep that there was NOT a governor of
any type, when i was test driving.  would its removal affect my
warranty or my insurance in any way?   i didn't get much help from the
first service dept. i called.

thanks for your help,
john

PS, does jim warman still post in this forum?
John Riggs - 12 Jan 2005 20:21 GMT
   It's a chip in the computer. Look around. After market chips are
available for most makes and models.

   Yes, Jim is still around.

| hi everyone--
| would have posted this in r.a.m.ford but that group seems to have gone
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| PS, does jim warman still post in this forum?
Kevin D - 13 Jan 2005 04:10 GMT
I live in Washington state, and believe me, it's good to have a
governor...any governor at this point!

We just let Florida off the hook.

>    It's a chip in the computer. Look around. After market chips are
> available for most makes and models.
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> |
> | PS, does jim warman still post in this forum?
Jim Warman - 13 Jan 2005 05:12 GMT
Personally, I think anyone that feels the need to go that fast is a couple
sandwiches shy of a picnic. Especially in something that isn't going to
exhibit a great deal of stability at those speeds.

Oh, I know all about how very, very good some drivers are..... In fact, I've
scraped many of them off our local highways...

>     It's a chip in the computer. Look around. After market chips are
> available for most makes and models.
>
>     Yes, Jim is still around.
The Malt Hound - 13 Jan 2005 22:50 GMT
> Personally, I think anyone that feels the need to go that fast is a couple
> sandwiches shy of a picnic. Especially in something that isn't going to
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> I've
> scraped many of them off our local highways...

I was thinking the exact same thing.  What's the point in a Ranger Pickup?

-Fred W
Ron B. - 13 Jan 2005 23:08 GMT
See if it can fly................

>>Personally, I think anyone that feels the need to go that fast is a couple
>>sandwiches shy of a picnic. Especially in something that isn't going to
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>
> -Fred W
Jim Warman - 14 Jan 2005 07:10 GMT
They do..... unfortunately they lack both ailerons and rudder. Anyway, it's
not the flying that kills........ but there is that little thiing with the
sudden stop on landing.

On a more personal note, I really don't care if some folks are busy trying
to "off" themselves (other than the trauma emergency responders experience
dealing with the mess). Unfortunately, the cause of the tragedy usually
winds up walking wounded while the innocents are lost.

I found these in another NG (many from here go there...). The irony is
astounding.... we can apply this same irony to all manner of subjects.

http://www.dailynebraskan.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/09/17/414a5a030e91d?in_ar
chive=1


http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2005/01/04/local/doc41db350078259784029686.txt

> See if it can fly................
>
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> >
> > -Fred W
John Riggs - 14 Jan 2005 18:24 GMT
   I don't know that I'll look at them....they are here.

   I didn't realize you were a Nebraska fan, Jim.

| They do..... unfortunately they lack both ailerons and rudder. Anyway, it's
| not the flying that kills........ but there is that little thiing with the
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| I found these in another NG (many from here go there...). The irony is
| astounding.... we can apply this same irony to all manner of subjects.

http://www.dailynebraskan.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/09/17/414a5a030e91d?in_ar
chive=1


http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2005/01/04/local/doc41db350078259784029686.txt

| > See if it can fly................
| >
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| > >
| > > -Fred W
Jim Warman - 15 Jan 2005 03:57 GMT
Actually, they are not graphic in the least, John. I'm not a Nebraska
fan..... NASCAR, NHRA, Harleys, cheap whiskey and Mrs mechanic are the
things I love. The first story is an article written by a university
student - he's voicing his displeasure with seatbelt laws and feels they are
an infringement on his basic rights. The second story deals with his
demise.... ejected from the rear seat of a rolling SUV - no seatbelt.

>     I don't know that I'll look at them....they are here.
>
>     I didn't realize you were a Nebraska fan, Jim.
Gordon S. Hlavenka - 15 Jan 2005 04:37 GMT
> The first story is an article written by a university
> student - he's voicing his displeasure with seatbelt laws and feels they are
> an infringement on his basic rights. The second story deals with his
> demise.... ejected from the rear seat of a rolling SUV - no seatbelt.

I agree with the late Mr. Kieper that the cops should keep their noses
out of my lap.  The difference is, I choose to wear my seat belt.  I
still think the laws are wasteful of taxpayer dollars and a dangerous
intrusion.

Another way to look at it is like this:  Some accident situations are
more dangerous when seat belts are worn.  A very small percentage of
accidents, true, but a few.  Seat belt laws *kill* *people* in those
situations.  Lives are (or may be) taken without due process, innocent
people martyred to the cause of safety for the majority.  The State has
no right to play dice with the lives of its citizens.

As I said, I always wear my seat belt; I wear it just to move from one
end of the driveway to the other :-)  But I should be allowed the
freedom to not wear it if I choose.

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Jim Warman - 15 Jan 2005 05:45 GMT
Gordon... just like in the armed forces, there will be losses of "assets".
Wearing seatbelts reduces those losses. That seatbelts cause casualties is
up for argument.... some MVAs are unsurvivable PERIOD. I have yet to see
proof that being ejected from a fast moving vehicle is a good thing. Your
chances will always be better if you are "wearing" a metal skin replete with
crumple zones and other shock reducing amenities.

Someones chances of surviving an incident are increased with seatbelt
use.... after all, there is no way to plan which accident is going to go
which way..... indeed, does anyone "plan" to have an accident at all.

While we are on the subject of basic rights... what about the rights of
those charged with cleaning up the mess left behind. Those of us dispensing
emergency services (for the most part) do so out of some innate desire or
need to give care to those in need.By and large, the trauma that we see does
go home with us... we are forever changed by those things we see and the
reaction we see from the general public (and a lot of you folks are friggin'
ghouls). Shovelling folks into body bags.... having bodily fluids sprayed
all over me..... listening to screamers while I try to peel their car from
around them, trying to keep leakers from leaking..... I do this because
someone has to and it is one way I can give back to my community. What would
happen if someone chose to spread themselves down a quarter mile of highway
and no-one chose to clean up the mess..... At least the ravens would enjoy
it.

Laws are made to protect people from themselves. Common sense has absolutely
nothing to do with IQ. Hang up a sign that says "WET PAINT" and watch.....

One final point..... if someone has gotten themselves into a bind and has a
real need to accurately control their car..... ill it be the guy bouncing
around inside the cab or the guy firmly attached to the chair?

I can see it now... entenched in the charter of rights... "I reserve the
right to enter the Darwin award competition at my discretion...".

> > The first story is an article written by a university
> > student - he's voicing his displeasure with seatbelt laws and feels they are
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> end of the driveway to the other :-)  But I should be allowed the
> freedom to not wear it if I choose.
Gordon S. Hlavenka - 17 Jan 2005 03:06 GMT
I want to make an important point here:  I do not object to the use of
seat belts.  As I said previously, I wear mine all the time -- even on
driveway "trips" of less than 30 feet at speeds of under 3mph.  I was
raised in a Seat Belt Family(TM); my dad bought aftermarket belts to
install in our Rambler.

What I object to is seat belt LAWS.  They're an intrusion of the
government into areas where the government doesn't belong.  I feel the
same way about motorcycle helmet laws.  Please note that I do not own a
motorcycle and am not licensed to operate one.  If I did get a bike, I'd
probably wear a helmet when riding even though where I live (Illinois)
there is currently no law requiring one.

Again, it's the *laws* requiring seat belts and motorcycle helmets I
object to.  I support and encourage the use of seat belts and motorcycle
helmets.

> While we are on the subject of basic rights... what about the rights of
> those charged with cleaning up the mess left behind...

I'm treading dangerous ground here, because I don't want to appear
ungrateful to those who do difficult work.  But YOU don't HAVE to do
that kind of work.  If it bothers you then you're in the wrong line of
business; you should switch to something you have the stomach for.

> Laws are made to protect people from themselves.

Wrong.  Laws are (well, should be) made to protect people from other
people.  You can say that seat belt laws protect society in general from
the expense associated with injuries, but that's a contrived argument
because it would be much more effective to just outlaw the cars
themselves and be done with it.

Meanwhile, Captain Coleman wonders:
>> As to the state having no right to play with the lives of its citizens,
>> seatbelt laws should probably be the last thing on your mind.  What do you
>> think of the little (mis)adventure the US government is doing in Iraq?

We don't belong there.  I think GWB is feeling guilty about having
dodged Vietnam, so he's created a new Vietnam to get himself involved
in.  It's a bad idea, poorly executed.  But that's a completely separate
issue from seat belt laws.  Am I allowed to be opposed to more than one
thing?  I sure hope so...

BTW as a 6-year US Navy veteran, I support the troops who are serving in
Iraq and Afghanistan (remember Afghanistan?).  We don't need to repeat
_that_ aspect of Vietnam too.

>> More on point, if you think that a choice to not wear a seat belt doesn't
>> have an effect on anyone else, think again.  Judging by his writing, Mr.
>> Kieper thought playing chicken with the Grim Reaper didn't really have
>> consequences.

You mean like when he said this?
>>> Telling me to wear my seat belt is the same as making sure I have
>>> some sort of proper education before diving into a swimming pool. If
>>> I want to dive in without knowing how to swim, that is my right. And
>>> if I want to be the jerk that flirts with death and rides around with
>>> my seat belt off, I should be able to do that, too.

Sounds like he knew exactly what he was letting himself in for.

>> There is always a cost.  Ignorance and stupidity might be
>> understandable.  But not this.  Mr. Kieper didn't give a damn.  And
>> the price of his selfishness was his life.

I disagree.  Derek Kieper _did_ give a damn.  He gave a damn about
personal freedoms and unnecessary government interference with those
freedoms.  What he paid the ultimate price for was getting into an
Explorer driven by someone who couldn't handle ice.

If anyone wants to discuss this further, I'd be happy to oblige.  But by
email, please, as it's offtopic for this newsgroup and I'll be
unsubscribing soon since I'm selling my Explorer (see my previous "RIP
1FMD..." post).

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Kevin Trojanowski - 17 Jan 2005 03:53 GMT
> What I object to is seat belt LAWS.  They're an intrusion of the
> government into areas where the government doesn't belong.  I feel the
> same way about motorcycle helmet laws.  Please note that I do not own a
> motorcycle and am not licensed to operate one.  If I did get a bike, I'd
> probably wear a helmet when riding even though where I live (Illinois)
> there is currently no law requiring one.

...and what I object to is MY tax money being spent on medical care and
disability for people who think that whether or not they choose to wear
a seatbelt or helmet is none of my concern.

-Kevin
First Source - 17 Jan 2005 06:04 GMT
>> What I object to is seat belt LAWS.  They're an intrusion of the
>> government into areas where the government doesn't belong.  I feel the
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>
>-Kevin

Then the solution is to tell your gvt to stop paying for things they
are not obliged to pay for, not to tell supposedly free adult citizens
what they must wear to be legal when driving.
Jim Warman - 17 Jan 2005 04:46 GMT
I'm at somewhat of a loss, here.... You wear seatbelts meaning that seatbelt
laws have little impact on you. However, lack of seatbelt laws would have
those less able to form a sensible decision bouncing around inside their
vehicles instead of planted in the drivers seat in a position to regain
control. These people could have an immense impact on your life.

Nobody plans on having an accident... it's not a concious decision.... but
an accident is something that can happen just after you notice those
headlights approaching.

These laws are designed to protect people from themselves and, to a point,
to protect us from them. I can see where you might think it is eroding your
rights... your right to die, involved in someone elses accident..... the
right to fall victim to a friend or neghbour who has witnessed one to many
horrendous, needless road tragedy.

Since when should the desires of an individual be allowed to outweigh the
needs of the masses?

> I want to make an important point here:  I do not object to the use of
> seat belts.  As I said previously, I wear mine all the time -- even on
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> unsubscribing soon since I'm selling my Explorer (see my previous "RIP
> 1FMD..." post).
Hairy - 17 Jan 2005 06:39 GMT
> I'm at somewhat of a loss, here.... You wear seatbelts meaning that seatbelt
> laws have little impact on you. However, lack of seatbelt laws would have
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> Since when should the desires of an individual be allowed to outweigh the
> needs of the masses?

In light of your views, would you advocate legislation that would make your
Harley illegal to operate on public roadways? Motorcycles offer much less
protection than a car with no seatbelts.
H
Jim Warman - 18 Jan 2005 01:33 GMT
No.... however, I do proscribe to protective clothing issues (currently
limited to DOT approved helmets). Additionally, a special licence is
required to ride a motorcycle and the practical test is extensive... even if
the rider already possesses a fourwheeler licence. The testing includes such
safety considerations as lane positioning and situational awareness.

In the past, I was concerned that the youngsters on the crotch-rockets were
doing themselves away at an alarming rate that could make it bad for the
rest of us but Alberta has embarked on a graduated licence system that will,
hopefully, help.

At any rate, trying to compare motorcycling to car riding is an apples and
oranges thing. The perception of the masses is that they are safe within
their steel cocoon and don't need their belts. OTOH, most riders are
painfully aware of their vulnerability.... even though the jerk-off jockeys
don't appear to exercise the thought.

And lastly..... how would banning a type of vehicle from the road be
comparable to insisting on someone wearing seatbelts?

> In light of your views, would you advocate legislation that would make your
> Harley illegal to operate on public roadways? Motorcycles offer much less
> protection than a car with no seatbelts.
> H
First Source - 18 Jan 2005 03:21 GMT
>No.... however, I do proscribe to protective clothing issues (currently
>limited to DOT approved helmets). Additionally, a special licence is
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>And lastly..... how would banning a type of vehicle from the road be
>comparable to insisting on someone wearing seatbelts?

Does Canada have a helmet law?  I would guess they do.

>> In light of your views, would you advocate legislation that would make
>your
>> Harley illegal to operate on public roadways? Motorcycles offer much less
>> protection than a car with no seatbelts.
>> H
Jim Warman - 18 Jan 2005 04:22 GMT
Yes... these laws are enacted by each province... seems to me most all the
provinces came in about the same time but helmets are the rule everywhere
for a long, long time. I will admit to cheating when on private land (that's
how I learned to ride... before bucket laws) but if I plan on getting
frisky, I make sure all of my bits are covered up.

Getting back to the crotch-rocket crew..... every time I see youngsters - no
shirt - no shoes - shorts - girlfreind on the back in the same state of
undress....(well, aside from the no shirt)... I am deeply saddened. Common
sense took another holiday...

> >No.... however, I do proscribe to protective clothing issues (currently
> >limited to DOT approved helmets). Additionally, a special licence is
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> >> protection than a car with no seatbelts.
> >> H
Captain Coleman - 15 Jan 2005 05:55 GMT
I can't say I agree with you.  I know the arguement, if what I'm doing
doesn't hurt anyone, then why should anyone care?  I've got a right to
privacy.  The point of seatbelt laws is to save lives and prevent injury.
And yes, people not wearing seatbelts do have an impact on others and
society.  Our tax dollars pay to scrape these individuals off the pavement.
Those that are injuried and have insurance contribute to our ever increasing
health insurance costs.  Those who don't have insurance receive medical care
that is paid for by government and/or subsidized by those with insurance.
And I'm sure there are many more effects on society by those not wearing
seat belts.  We all play by rules to live in this society.  Heck, we
wouldn't have one without rules.  Anarchy wouldn't be pretty, much less give
us highways to roll our explorers on.
As to the state having no right to play with the lives of its citizens,
seatbelt laws should probably be the last thing on your mind.  What do you
think of the little (mis)adventure the US government is doing in Iraq?
Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead.  Nearly 1500 citizens dead because the
state sent them there based on a lie?  (Remember WMDs?  It just bacame
official this week, they didn't exist!)  That is one hell of a dice game
with citizens lives if I've ever seen one.
More on point, if you think that a choice to not wear a seat belt doesn't
have an effect on anyone else, think again.  Judging by his writing, Mr.
Kieper thought playing chicken with the Grim Reaper didn't really have
consequences.  Someone, paid by your tax dollars, had to scrape him off the
road.  A funeral, which someone has to pay for, had to be performed.  There
is always a cost.  Ignorance and stupidity might be understandable.  But not
this.  Mr. Kieper didn't give a damn.  And the price of his selfishness was
his life.

>> The first story is an article written by a university
>> student - he's voicing his displeasure with seatbelt laws and feels they
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> of the driveway to the other :-)  But I should be allowed the freedom to
> not wear it if I choose.
Kevin D - 16 Jan 2005 01:08 GMT
Not to mention the pain caused to the family members who have lost a loved
one.  Can anything be worse than burying a child?  What if the primary wage
earner is killed because he or she didn't want to wear a seat belt (or a
motorcycle or bicycle helmet)?  Think of all the repercussions of trying to
raise a family on a shoestring.

Something like this happened to my mother-in-law.  Her husband worked at a
company that rebuilt combine engines.  He violated safety rules by standing
under an engine when it was up on a hoist, and it fell on him.  Let's just
say it was a closed-casket funeral.  My wife was 6 years old at the time,
with four brothers and sisters.  Five kids who grew up without their father,
and a woman who went through hell to raise five children all by herself.
Fortunately, there was a small life insurance policy that just paid off
their house (we're talking about the days when a five-bedroom house sold for
$7,000), but she had to figure out the rest.  All because one person took a
stupid chance, probably figuring that "it can't happen to me".

You're right., CC, ignoring rules like this because of some childish,
idiotic desire to thumb one's nose at authority is selfish.  People need to
understand that they don't live in a vacuum - their actions ALWAYS affect
others.  However, in the case of seat belts, there is only one way to get
these fools to change their ways, and that is to hit them in the pocketbook.
There's a woman where I work who just got a $100 ticket for not wearing her
seat belt.  She wears it now - complains about having to do it, but does it.

>I can't say I agree with you.  I know the arguement, if what I'm doing
>doesn't hurt anyone, then why should anyone care?  I've got a right to
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>> end of the driveway to the other :-)  But I should be allowed the freedom
>> to not wear it if I choose.
John Riggs - 15 Jan 2005 11:20 GMT
   Uh, Jim...I ever tell you I'm *in* Nebraska....where all of this
happened, and in Lincoln, where both articles were written, and he made the
evening news?

   I knew they weren't graphic..this ain't Arkansas Road Kill....it's just
that they tend to run things like that into the ground here.

| Actually, they are not graphic in the least, John. I'm not a Nebraska
| fan..... NASCAR, NHRA, Harleys, cheap whiskey and Mrs mechanic are the
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| >
| >     I didn't realize you were a Nebraska fan, Jim.
 
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