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Bob - 13 Jan 2005 00:58 GMT Is U-Haul still refusing to rent trailers to be towed by Ford Explorers?
Are there any places that will?
Anyone have some Mercury Mountaineer badges I can replace the Ford Explorer badges with?
Thanks.
Larry Lojack - 13 Jan 2005 07:47 GMT According to the U-Haul web site the ban on Explorers as tow vehicles is still in effect. http://www.uhaul.com/trucks/faq.html
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2004-01-08-uhaul-ford_x.htm
From the USA Today story I got the impression that the Firestone tire debacle lit a fire under the trial lawyer to flood the courts with Explorer lawsuits.
What do trial lawyers use for birth control? Their personality.
Gordon S. Hlavenka - 14 Jan 2005 04:20 GMT > What do trial lawyers use for birth control? Their personality. Careful... http://tinyurl.com/6alx4
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Larry Lojack - 15 Jan 2005 06:18 GMT OMG - arrested for telling lawyer jokes. Now I know we have too many lawyers.
Did you hear about the new sushi bar that caters exclusively to lawyers? It's called, Sosumi.
Captain Coleman - 13 Jan 2005 15:03 GMT If you're considering rebadging you vehicle, check out ebay. There seems to be quite a bit of Mountaineer insignia up for sale.
> Is U-Haul still refusing to rent trailers to be towed by Ford Explorers? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks. Anthony Giorgianni - 13 Jan 2005 20:06 GMT I think we should consider ourselves lucky UHaul won't deal with us.
Anytime I have ever rented UHaul stuff or been with someone who has rented UHaul stuff, the equipment has been atrocious. I remember one truck that had holes in the floorboards. You actually could see the highway. Another had a lit alternator light. The guy insisted we use that truck and refused to give us anything else. "Just call us if it breaks down." (We were going to use the truck on New Years day. And then he had the audacity to insist that we sign a statement that said we ceritfy that nothing was wrong with the vehicle when we took it! We walked away, went to Ryder and were amazed at the difference in the condition of the vehicles. The Ryder guy even walked the vehicle with us and noted any little blemish on the sheet before we took the truck (and there were only the tinyist things). Maybe no one else rents those little trailers ... but I still wouldn't attach anyting with UHaul on it to my Explorer - not even their bubble wrap :O). Crapola equipment, crapola custommer service, in my opinion. I suspect that UHaul knows they're stuff is unsafe and is unwilling to take on Explorer owners who are sensitized to this crap.
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> Is U-Haul still refusing to rent trailers to be towed by Ford Explorers? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks. Bob - 14 Jan 2005 01:17 GMT I Agree! I used to work for U-Haul, their trucks are junk. They hired me fresh out of the Navy and paid me slightly more than minimum wage to keep their trucks chicken wired together. I had absolutely no experience in auto mechanics. As long as they started up and rolled off the lot the boss was happy. If the boss decided he didn't like a customer he had a signal to me to rent him the absolute worst wreck we had. I didn't stay long.
I wouldn't drive one of their trucks but their open bed trailers are so rugged and well built that they withstand the abuse and lack of maintenance. I eyeball the tires real good, check for play in the bearings and check the hitch and lights before I rent one. Moved my son's whole 4 bedroom house in 3 trips with one of the big ones recently. (We towed it with his GMC Yukon.)
RikiTikiTavi - 14 Jan 2005 05:06 GMT > I think we should consider ourselves lucky UHaul won't deal with us. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > they're stuff is unsafe and is unwilling to take on Explorer owners who > are sensitized to this crap. I agree. Last time I rented from them I rented a car dolly.
The left tire strapping was cut so many times it wasn't long enought to strap down the tire on the left side. I had to stop and buy strapping and one of those little ratchet cargo tie down thingies to continue. How they let stuff go with obvious safety problems is beyond me.
And have you ever noticed that everyone who works for Uhaul is sullen and unfriendly? They just hate working there.
-- Riki --Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
Richard Ray - 13 Jan 2005 20:33 GMT What would be the point of rebadging the truck? The rental agreement asks for the VIN of the tow vehicle. The VIN gives the true identity of the truck away. And if you had any misfortune or accident with the trailer, the U-Haul lawyers would have a ball with you.
> Is U-Haul still refusing to rent trailers to be towed by Ford Explorers? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks. Bob - 14 Jan 2005 00:58 GMT Yeah, you're right. I was just pointing out how ridiculous it is that they'll rent to Mountaineers (or Mazda Navahos) but not Explorers when we and Uhaul and the lawyers all know that they're the same truck.
The funny thing was for 6 months after they announced this ban on Explorers, their website had a picture of an Explorer towing one of their trailers.
Bill - 14 Jan 2005 04:11 GMT What other company rents trailers one way?
> Is U-Haul still refusing to rent trailers to be towed by Ford Explorers? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks. RikiTikiTavi - 14 Jan 2005 05:00 GMT > Is U-Haul still refusing to rent trailers to be towed by Ford Explorers? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks. I didn't have a problem last time. What size trailor?
Maybe you're trying to pull a class III size trailor with your little class II hitch on the explorer?
Changing the badges sounds like a fine idea. Like the Camry XLE; you can just get the side panels and body art from a junkyard and make it a Lexus 300! Same car.
-- riki --Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
DR RASTIS FAF00FNIK - 14 Jan 2005 20:42 GMT > Is U-Haul still refusing to rent trailers to be towed by Ford Explorers? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks. U-Hell is doing YOU a favor! They are afraid their equipment will CAUSE a rollover problem. Their equipment is JUNK, never maintained. Read about people with trailers that had bearing failures, tire blowouts, electrical shorts. Read about their trucks wth bad brakes, engine fires and other problems, leaving customers on the side of the road to watch their belongings burn. You want/expect "road service" from U-Hell HAHAHAHA......get ready to book into the nearest fleabag hotel,they arn't coming anytime fast. I see those trucks broken down on the highway all the time! If you look at www.ripoffreports.com you will find HUNDREDS of reports on people getting screwed by U-Hell. I even had the Bitch Manager "Connie" at the store in Santa Clarita, California (on Sierra Hwy) call me one time and tell me if I didnt bring the truck I had out, back early she was going to charge my credit card $100 an hour until it was back in her yard!!!!! The company back east put that fat butch lesbo back in her place, but the fact remains....their equipment is crap, the people that work there are snakes. They ALL know whats going on there, the guy that brings your rental truck around KNOWS it is a wreck looking for a place to happen. What a better setup, you rent the vehicle...it's destroyed and YOUR insurance carrier buys U-Hell a new one to replace it. Who cares if YOU are injured,killed or lose all your belongings/cargo during this. Be damn glad they won't rent you a trailer. Just go over to Ryder or Penske and rent a complete truck instead. Of course....this is just **MY** opinion....your may vary (hopefully not).
Mustang_Mike - 30 Jan 2005 06:17 GMT While all the comments are valid and there equipment is as one person put it "CRAP" I still think it is discriminatory towards owners of Explorers. If this is a lawyers / lawsuit game I say we find one of these sue happy lawyers and file a class action lawsuit against U-Haul for discrimination based on the fact Explorers do not have Firestone tires on them after the recall. Also they are judging my / our driving habits on those who do not drive responsibly. I for one do not want to be placed in that description. I have had my Explorer for over 5 years and pull a 10' cargo trailer every month without any problems. I guess I will get of my soapbox now. Thanks Mike
Richard Ray - 04 Feb 2005 02:39 GMT Try to get a shyster to take the case. You can't force a business to conduct business with a person unless you can prove discrimination based on race, color, gender, creed, or national origin. In some jurisdictions you cannot discriminate based on sexual orientation.
But nowhere in the law does it say that U-Haul has to rent to any and all comers. If they don't want their precious trailer hooked up to your Explorer, you don't have a legal leg to stand on. They have every right to tell you no. Does it make sense that they will allow Mazda Navajo and Mercury Mountaineer owners (who of course are driving Explorers with different trim and badging, but essentially the same underpinnings) to rent trailers, but not Explorer owners? No. But blame their legal beagles who think that by banning rentals to Explorer owners they can decrease their potential liability for lawsuits when inexperienced drivers make their rigs turn turtle in the median, or worse.
> While all the comments are valid and there equipment is as one person put > it "CRAP" I still think it is discriminatory towards owners of Explorers. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > month without any problems. I guess I will get of my soapbox now. > Thanks Mike Gordon S. Hlavenka - 04 Feb 2005 07:14 GMT > ... blame their legal > beagles who think that by banning rentals to Explorer owners they can > decrease their potential liability for lawsuits when inexperienced > drivers make their rigs turn turtle in the median, or worse. An interesting side effect of this might be: Somebody driving an SUV that's _not_ an Explorer (or Navajo, etc.) has a wreck while pulling a U-Haul trailer. They sue, claiming that there was a fundamental mismatch between their vehicle and the trailer, and since U-Haul bans Explorers for safety reasons they have assumed the duty of vetting all tow vehicles.
In other words, by taking all comers U-Haul has a certain amount of "plausible deniability" -- they can claim that they're not responsible for your vehicle. But as soon as they ban ONE class of vehicles they demonstrate that they believe they have special expertise. Therefore it becomes their legal duty to check out all the vehicle models on the road.
Now we just need a non-Explorer driver to have a U-Haul wreck and be a test case :-)
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Big Bill - 04 Feb 2005 18:18 GMT >> ... blame their legal >> beagles who think that by banning rentals to Explorer owners they can [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Now we just need a non-Explorer driver to have a U-Haul wreck and be a >test case :-) Not to insult you, but... I honestly believe that there are a *LOT* of lawyers out there who have thought of this angle, and rejected it. Why? Because, for example (and I'm no lawyer), U-Haul *hasn't* taken on the job of vetting all vehicles for comaptibility with their trailers. What they've done is to take the advice of their lawyers (who, Im sure, have thought of the same line of thinking you have). In short, you would need to come up with a legal theory for a suit that actually has some basis that a court would entertain as being viable. As much as we like to characterize businesses as being incredibly stupid (and I've sometimes considered certain company policies as such), usually, they aren't. Sorry.
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Jim Warman - 05 Feb 2005 07:07 GMT The horse is dead..... beat on it as much as you like.
Big Bill - 05 Feb 2005 16:02 GMT >The horse is dead..... beat on it as much as you like. Why, Thank You, Jim! Sorry. I'm that way, I guess. :-(
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Jim Warman - 05 Feb 2005 20:19 GMT I guess we all have our pet peeves.... you guys let me have mine so I guess I should allow you yours...
I can be a dork since my Ex is my second vehicle and I can usually borrow a trailer if my own proves too small.
> >The horse is dead..... beat on it as much as you like. > > > Why, Thank You, Jim! > Sorry. I'm that way, I guess. :-( Richard Ray - 07 Feb 2005 02:04 GMT When the U-Haul company made their asinine decision to ban me from renting one of their precious trailers, I went to one of the local custom trailer manufacturers here in town and had one built to my specifications. In the ten trips I have made to Orlando and back, it has paid for itself. Screw 'em.
> I guess we all have our pet peeves.... you guys let me have mine so I guess > I should allow you yours... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>Why, Thank You, Jim! >>Sorry. I'm that way, I guess. :-( Anthony Giorgianni - 07 Feb 2005 20:20 GMT Excellent. Way to go!
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> When the U-Haul company made their asinine decision to ban me from > renting one of their precious trailers, I went to one of the local > custom trailer manufacturers here in town and had one built to my > specifications. In the ten trips I have made to Orlando and back, it has > paid for itself. Screw 'em. <snip>
Davenandee - 07 Feb 2005 20:22 GMT May I borrow it for a day?
Dave
> When the U-Haul company made their asinine decision to ban me from > renting one of their precious trailers, I went to one of the local [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>> Why, Thank You, Jim! >>> Sorry. I'm that way, I guess. :-(
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