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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Explorer / January 2005

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Need Help with 2002 Ford Explorer

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forddrivr - 24 Jan 2005 04:04 GMT
Hi,
I have a 2002 ford explore 2 door sport.  i have 500 miles left on my
36,000 mile warrenty.  Within this time my check engine light has come on
3 seperate times, and when I am ideling (sp?) there is a clicking noise in
the engine.  The ford co. has had it twice, three weeks once, and can not
find the problem.  They tell me that it will have to get worse so they can
find the problem.  I know this is a run around from them, but I am running
out of time on my warrenty.  So if anyone has had this problem or knows
what may be wrong please, please, respond.  Thank you in advance for any
information.
Jim Warman - 24 Jan 2005 13:15 GMT
<SIGH>... Glad to see that you automatically KNOW you are getting the
run-around. You're car is an extremely complicated electronic device and
intermittent problems occur. If it ain't gonna act broken, what on earth is
someone going to fix? If the information you are giving your dealer is
anything like the information you have posted here, there is little wonder
you are not finding any satisfaction.

If the noise at idle is constant, make sure that it is listed on the work
order as one of your concerns. We are not supposed to upsell warranty. Fords
position is that if you don't complain about it, it isn't bothering you and
if it isn't bothering you they wont fix it. If the noise at idle is
intermittent, make sure that you supply the tech with enough information so
that he/she can recreate the problem... remember that your car is the single
most complicated device you will encounter in your life. Ditto the CEL
(check engine light).... without knowing what code(s) is being set, I can
offer little advice nor can I offer any diagnostic opinions.

I can't speak for other dealerships... ours tries to be sure that we form
some sort of continuity with a vehicle... that is, if I am the first to work
on a new vehicle, they try their utmost to assign any subsequent repairs on
that vehicle to me... doesn't always work out but if I am familiar with the
vehicle, it can help with diagnosing any concerns. Additionally, I know
nothing of your dealer nor their techs... whether they are availing
themselves of the resources tha manufacturer has supplied them... the
technical hotline is not the magic bullet some seem to imagine but they can
usually offer up something that should help a semi-talented tech find the
right track. For some repeat concerns that are difficult to recreate, I have
been known to replace the most likely component - bear in mind that this has
been known to backfire on techs.... how do you spell CHARGEBACK?

Bottom line.... when you take your car in for service, supply the dealership
with enough information that will allow them to recreate your concern(s).
Like I said, if it ain't going to act broken we can't act like we're fixing
it. Be courteous dealing with the dealerships staff... these people are
human beings... they are doing their best to serve you at a time when you
may be frustrated or distraught..... they didn't build the damned thing and
they certainly didn't break it..... the staff that deals with the public
have a very stressful job and if you give them attitude, you will likely get
attitude right back. Like any other business there are good places to deal
and places we don't like. If you don't like the place you are dealing with,
find a place that you do like. Even bad employees would like to fix your
problem and I don't know of anyone (other than government employees) that
can hope to get paid by offering "the run around" as a service.

HTH

Oh, yeah..... some codes would help if I am to offer any diagnostic
advice..... As for the noise at idle, I can only say that your 2000 should
have the updated tensioner for the timing chain. A little more info about
what happens when we rev the motor, if it happens cold/hot/all the time,
service history, type and weight of motor oil *might* help...

> Hi,
> I have a 2002 ford explore 2 door sport.  i have 500 miles left on my
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> what may be wrong please, please, respond.  Thank you in advance for any
> information.
forddrivr - 24 Jan 2005 15:35 GMT
Thank you for your comments.  I have been very courteous to the maintence
staff.  I take my car out of town because they are better.  I posted so
maybe someone else has had the same problems and can tell me what their
cause was.  So maybe I can past it on to them.  They have heard the noise
while ideling but just can't pinpoint it.  It will rattle when it is hot,
cold or warm, but not all the time. My explorer also started making a
humming sound like it is straining, this happens when it is going 45 mph
or any other speed usually when it is cold outside, but not just then and
not all the time.  The transmission seams to be changing just fine. My oil
gets changed every 3000 miles. I use 5-30 valvoline oil.  Hope this helps
in the more info department.
Jim Warman - 26 Jan 2005 07:12 GMT
While some noises may telegraph horribly, constant noises should be
relatively easy to pinpoint (relatively being the catch phrase). While it
may be inconvenient, I can only suggest allowing the dealer to keep the car
long enough to resolve the problem so as to have an RO open in case it does
go beyond the warranty period. If you have a history of ROs regarding the
problem , you *should* be able to get the repair AWA'd.

Your dealership should... let's change that to "must" avail themselves to
OASIS and hotline for any concerns they can reproduce but not diagnose.
Neither is a cure all, but one or the other can set the tech in a direction
that may lead to resolution of the concern. I'll temper that with the
indication that your servicing dealer may not be your selling dealer.

Here comes a real cruncher.... this isn't supposed to happen but it does...
and it happens everywhere. If you are having your car repaired at anything
other than your selling dealer, you will not get service as good as if you
had. Many dealerships can't make their shops pay their own way.... the only
way they can survive is to increase sales volume and the only way they can
do that is give better deals. Dealerships with good service departments
offer red carpet treatment - this costs money - the money has to ome from
somewhere. The dealer with the good service department has spent the money
to hire good people..... I am well recompensed.... there are many other
techs out there making half what I do (this is not a boast... this is a
wake-up call). Why is there a difference in pay scale? For the same reason
that the french fry kid at McDonalds earns 6 bucks an hour and Bobby Flay
makes a wee bit more than that.

There are ever so many gloats over a cheap purchase price displayed on any
automotive NG.... these are usually followed by a "shitty service" tirade
when a problem happens. The selling dealer couldn't fix his way out of a wet
paper bag and the other dealers don't appear to care. If our warranty costs
are out of line with our sales, we get stuck under a microscope.

The only advice I can offer to anyone is to find a dealer that rates high in
after sales service, bite the bullet and buy from him. In most cases,
customers are their own worst enemy...

> Thank you for your comments.  I have been very courteous to the maintence
> staff.  I take my car out of town because they are better.  I posted so
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> gets changed every 3000 miles. I use 5-30 valvoline oil.  Hope this helps
> in the more info department.
forddrivr - 26 Jan 2005 14:45 GMT
I have bought all my vehicles from this dealership, and given a loaner car
when mine has been in the shop, even for the 3 weeks they kept it. They
just can't find the problem, soo I will take it back and hopefully we can
find the solution together.  Thanks for the help.
 
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