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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Explorer / March 2005Customer Satisfaction Program 04B22
Has anyone had the Ford dealer add the "magic" ingedient to there transmission? Did it make any difference in the shifting? Ed Ed, this stuff isn't supposed to make your transmission shift differently..... it is supposed to keep it from shifting differently at a later date. > Has anyone had the Ford dealer add the "magic" ingedient to > there transmission? Did it make any difference in the > shifting? > > Ed Something I havent figured out yet. If I take the car in and have the secret sauce added to the transmission, and then at a later date change out the transmission fluid with the owner's manual specified Mercon V fluid, do I need to go back and have the secret sauce added again? To answer your question, I havent had it done yet. dickm >Has anyone had the Ford dealer add the "magic" ingedient to >there transmission? Did it make any difference in the >shifting? > >Ed I had the additive put in a couple weeks ago and have noticed no difference in shifting. I also wondered about the fluid change question. Don't know the answer to that one. It seems plain to me that Ford would have a reason not to honor the warranty if the transmission fails and the additive was not put in, so feel it is really necessary to have them add it. >Something I havent figured out yet. If I take the car in and have the >secret sauce added to the transmission, and then at a later date [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >>Ed The "secret sauce" in the case of my 2003 XLT was not to add something to the transmission, but to reprogram the shift control program in the computer. This so totally changed the shift charactistics of the vehicle that it seemed to be a different transmission. Shifts now are so smooth and timely that they are almost unnoticeable. SY Cohen I haven't seen any TSBs on updated fluid for these transmissions. Safe to say that Fords major concern is making sure these units get past the warranty period. As dealer techs, we are expected to know that these models require this so-called "secret sauce". If someone reminds mr, I'll check the March DVD manual for any reference when it becomes available. I would expect a note on this additive in the fluid spec sub-section of the auto trans subsection of the driveline subsection of the manual. The directions are mistaken... when they say shake well, they mean shake the ever-lovin' p*ss out of the product before use. Side note to Ed... if you are having shifting concerns, e-mail me your VIN off-list and I'll run OASIS for you. > Something I havent figured out yet. If I take the car in and have the > secret sauce added to the transmission, and then at a later date [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > >Ed One possibility here is that Ford got hold of a batch of fluid that did not meet specifications. I wondered about that when I got the letter. If that is the case, then fluid changes in the future should not be a problem (assuming the new fluid meets spec). >I haven't seen any TSBs on updated fluid for these transmissions. Safe to >say that Fords major concern is making sure these units get past the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> > >> >Ed > I haven't seen any TSBs on updated fluid for these transmissions. Safe to > say that Fords major concern is making sure these units get past the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Side note to Ed... if you are having shifting concerns, e-mail me your VIN > off-list and I'll run OASIS for you.1FAHP60A44Y105325 Jim, I actually have a 2004 Thunderbird, not an Explorer. I bought it used earlier this year. At that time it only had a around 3500 miles. It now has around 7000 miles. The transmission shifting is OK as far as I know, although it is a little harsher than my Expedition. I do not know what is normal. My VIN is 1FAHP60A44Y105325. Thanks and regards, Ed White Ed.... our PTS website seems to be having difficulty and I can't get to OASIS right now.... Joggle my memory tomorrow and I'll check again for you. We only ever sold one of the last model T-Birds and I never did get the chance to drive it so I'm a poor comparison. If anything, I would expect the car to shift smoother than the Ex.... Once oasis is back up and running, we can check and see if there is anything regarding harsh shifting concerns. All I can tell you at this point is that the fluid additive isn't designed to intentionally alter shift feel. OK, Ed... I found what we need. SSM (Special Service Message) 18208..... sorry I can't do a cut and past - copyright laws and such.... Mercon V will still be the fluid of choice but the packaging date must be AFTER May 10, 2004. Mercon V was refomulated to meet the requirement of the later transmissions. The production line came "out of step" with itself for a short period. If the reformulated oil had arrived first, we wouldn't even know of the reformulation. As for your car.... it was built 11/06/2003.... no warranty history at all but 04B22 is still outstanding. There is one SSM (17852) that deals with transmissions without the SportShift feature but it mentions having an E displayed for gearshift position and DTCs in memory. Being that my stock in trade is mostly trucks, I am unfamiliar with the SportShift feature but if your car is equipped with this feature I would turn it off and see what happens. HTH > > I haven't seen any TSBs on updated fluid for these transmissions. Safe to > > say that Fords major concern is making sure these units get past the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Ed White Sounds like the answer to some of the questions about the additive. If fluid was reformulated after May 10, 2004, then it is highly possible that some of the old formulation was still around and was installed in new vehicles. That would explain the need for the additive and also would say that fluid changes would cause no problem if the reformulated fluid was used. >OK, Ed... I found what we need. > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >> >> Ed White That's it in a nutshell..... > Sounds like the answer to some of the questions about the additive. > If fluid was reformulated after May 10, 2004, then it is highly > possible that some of the old formulation was still around and was > installed in new vehicles. That would explain the need for the > additive and also would say that fluid changes would cause no problem > if the reformulated fluid was used. > OK, Ed... I found what we need. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > SportShift feature but if your car is equipped with this feature I would > turn it off and see what happens. Thanks Jim. I'm dropping off the Tbird tonight to get the secret sauce added. Ed "cewhite3" wrote: > > OK, Ed... I found what we need. > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Ed Hello, I scheduled my service appointment too far out for this week. And all of a sudden I noticed about a week 2 weeks ago I started to experience delays in shifting. I am curious whether getting the "special sauce" will correct any issues or just prevent them from getting worse. The letter says "over time, may cause delayed/harsh reverse engagements", does this mean that once the shifting problems start that they are irreversible? I had a problem scheduling the service appointment with work and everything and now I am scared that I did damage to my explorer. Thanks this thread has been very helpful! kevin > Hello, I scheduled my service appointment too far out for this > week. And all of a sudden I noticed about a week 2 weeks ago I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Thanks this thread has been very helpful! > kevin I got married on 12/31/04 and moved in with my husband putting my house up for sale. Because of mail delay I received a letter from Ford dated in January 2005 to my old address about 04B22 that I need to have in the shop by March 31, 05. I have noticed trouble in the shifting especially in reverse. Even though I bought the Total care warranty program, I am being told they will not cover rental car expenses but the dealership is telling me it will take about 5 days to fix my car and they haven?t even looked at it yet. Guys help, am I being ripped off here? > > Hello, I scheduled my service appointment too far out for this > > week. And all of a sudden I noticed about a week 2 weeks ago I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >fix my car and they havent even looked at it yet. Guys help, am I >being ripped off here? Unless someone promised you, in writing, a rental car, the answer is no.  SignatureBill Funk Change "g" to "a" Because of mail delay I received a letter from > Ford dated in January 2005 to my old address about 04B22 that I need > to have in the shop by March 31, 05. I have noticed trouble in the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > fix my car and they haven't even looked at it yet. Guys help, am I > being ripped off here? Not enough information to know whether you are being ripped off, or not. It certainly wouldn't take 5 days to add 6 ounces of fluid supplement to the transmission. So, it appears that they intend to do more than the 04b22 recall, but you don't say what. If a new trans is planned, a competant shop should be able to do it in much less than 5 days, IMO. As far as a rental is concerned, you need to *carefully* read your service contract to see what is and isn't provided. I wouldn't just take their word for it. Good luck H btw, the secret sauce tastes great!! Has anyone had the Ford dealer add the "magic" ingedient to there transmission? Did it make any difference in the shifting? Ed
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