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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Explorer / March 2005'96 Explorer XLT: Best location for tube subwoofer?
I just installed a Bazooka EL8A 8" amplified sub in my 1996 Ford Explorer. Does anyone have any recommendations on the best location for it? Now I have it just behind the rear seat facing back towards the rear hatch due to wire length restrictions, but I'm willing to extend the wires if there is a better location for it. Thanks. Why not use it for a headrest? I TOTALLY enjoy jamming those with the loud booming stereos! it works GREAT, sometimes blows up the amp or pops the speakers. All we do is key up TWO high power VHF or UHF transmitters at the same time, on the same frequency. The resulting squeal comes thru their system AT FULL VOLUME hahaha.Since it gets directly into the amp and cabling the head end volume controls DONT WORK. I wish i had a picture of some of the looks we get :) Yeah..use the boomtube for a headrest..that will work. > I just installed a Bazooka EL8A 8" amplified sub in my 1996 Ford > Explorer. Does anyone have any recommendations on the best location [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks. He's kidding, Bob. You ARE kidding....aren't you Doc? :) Actually, a better answer would have been to disconnect the thing, take it back to the store and get your money back. Your fellow drivers will thank you now for your consideration. Most of us would rather not have our cars vibrate as if they were at the epicenter of an earthquake that registers 9.7 on the Richter scale. If you really must do this, be considerate and do it when you're all alone on the road, and NOT when stopped at a traffic light. Thank you in advance. Also, your ears will thank you 20 years from now when all your friends are deaf, but you can still hear frequencies above 8 kHz. Trust me on this one. I know that you think it's cool. It isn't; it's stupid and makes you look like an idiot. Trust me on this one, too. When I was 16 I had a Firebird Formula 400. I thought that I was soooo cooool doing my 20-second burnouts. I wasn't; I was screaming to the world that I was an immature brat who needed to have his car taken away and his a.s spanked. > Why not use it for a headrest? > I TOTALLY enjoy jamming those with the loud booming stereos! it works [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> Thanks. My reasons for installing a sub are very simple. There is no way even good quality 5x7 speakers (I have Boston Acoustics) in the doors can reproduce anywhere near *natural* bass. I am not into playing my system so loud to cause hearing damage or bother other drivers. I also did not do it to "look cool"...I am well past that point in my life. It's very simple...I did it because I enjoy good sound. Now, does anyone have any suggestions for placement of the sub without a lecture attached? :-) Sorry Bob...looks like you're gonna get lectured from everyone here! :) > My reasons for installing a sub are very simple. There is no way even > good quality 5x7 speakers (I have Boston Acoustics) in the doors can [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Now, does anyone have any suggestions for placement of the sub without > a lecture attached? :-) I think the you should return that tube crap, there is no way to get "good" sound from it no matter where you place it. What you can do is lose any 2 or 3 way speakers that you have. The only way to get good quality sound is to go with seperates. Yea, you can put seps in your doors. I have done it, I got one 8" one 5.25" and one tweet in my doors on my Toyota Tac. You have to custom make a door panel but it can be done. I put 1000 wats to Boston Acs from a Rockford fos, I also had mids and tweets in the dash. I had superb quality sound without the distraction for others. I too went through the phase with boom cars, I had an 85 Z28 that pushed the envelope at 3500 watts (RMS) with and SPL level of 158. It was of course a show car that won highest SPL's with quality. All this was back in the late 80's. Thats why remote control stereos came out, you really could not be in the car for SPL testing. But, now I have ":grown up" I have extreme quality without the SPL's, Oh I could drown out the road hmmmmmm, but I don't I have a child now and I love to hear him wisper! Trust me guys and no lectures here, I am now in your shoes I cannot stand pulling up to a light with that dumb a.s blasting foul mouthed music while my son is in ear shot. You should hear disney tunes @ 1000 watts not loud but quality sound! You can really pick out just about every instrument. Searcher1 I don't think location for subwoofers is particularly critical as those freqencies are non-directional and penetrate through things pretty well (hence the less helpful comments on the installation concept). I don't know the dimensions of your "tube", but one option might be to locate it under the rear seat. Careful placement might not even interfere with the ability to lower the seat, and you will save the space in the rear for cargo. I mounted my CD changer under the seat early on, positioned to fit between the seat frame members when the seat is folded up, and have been quite happy with that. =Vic= Bear Gap, PA > My reasons for installing a sub are very simple. There is no way even > good quality 5x7 speakers (I have Boston Acoustics) in the doors can [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Now, does anyone have any suggestions for placement of the sub without > a lecture attached? :-) THanks Vic. Putting it under the rear seat is a good idea, but the tube is about 9" diameter and it won't fit there. :I don't think location for subwoofers is particularly critical as those :freqencies are non-directional and penetrate through things pretty well [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] :> Now, does anyone have any suggestions for placement of the sub without :> a lecture attached? :-) > THanks Vic. Putting it under the rear seat is a good idea, but the > tube is about 9" diameter and it won't fit there. I had a large Pioneer bazooka type tube also, and I got broken into and the window destroyed because some mexican wanted it and took it. It got stolen because I too couldn't fit it under my rear seat. So this time I made my own subwoofer and fit it under the seat, and now I sleep a lot easier and it actually sounds better. Total cost? $20.00 one cardboard flat box 1/4 can of spray paint. some wires. two used 10" bass speakers a tiny bit of solder an exacto knife 12 plastic screws, nuts and two washers each. Simply put your speakers on top of your box and trace out the inside diameter. then cut out the two or one circles. Use a filleting pointy knife, start 12 holes with the speaker still held down as a template. Hold speaker now under/in the box, and push plastic bolt with washer through. Secure from top with another washer and nut. Do for all 12/2 speakers. Run split wire from amp and solder two wires to each end so you have now a total of four wires coming off of two. Run the two postives to the two positives of the speakers and the two grounds to the two grounds. Spray paint your cardboard box whatever color you want after using strapping tape to secure it securly on all edges and sides. Sit back and rock on! msm OMG! A cardboard box? The difference between a good subwoofer and loud bass "noise" is the box. There is a whole field of acoustics dedicated to speaker box design. The critical factors include volume, porting, damping, resonance and rigidity. At least the Pioneer tube has been engineered to include some of these factors. If you're going to use a cardboard box, you might as well just stick the speaker driver magnet to the underside of the seat. Cost (excluding speaker) = $0. > I had a large Pioneer bazooka type tube also, and I got broken into and the > window destroyed because some mexican wanted it and took it. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > msm I've read this string with much interest. I have a Bazooka 8" bass tube (likely an older model than yours) in my car, and it gives me just enough bass without being overpowering. However, the car its in is a hatchback, so I have it placed against the rear seat to one side. My installer played around with positioning before securing it in place, and this location was the most unobtrusive while maximizing bass effect. He told me that, in my case, the angle of my rear hatch would help "deflect" the bass forward towards me. In my opinion, a bass tube such as the Bazooka, amplified or not, is best suited for smaller spaces. I also own a 96 Explorer, and given the distance between the driver and any reasonable location of the tube, among other factors (road noise for example) subs of this kind will make little impact. I'm a 40 year old who spent over a dozen years selling stereo equipment, including mobile audio. My recommendation, if you can allow the space, is to get a good sealed box for a 10" sub, and amplify it externally. A sealed sub will give you the "tightest" response for your bass, rather than just boom. The box size, at most, might take up a cube area about 12" behind your rear seat. I realize theft may be a concern. Does your Explorer have the factory tint? Mine has factory tint, but I wanted aftermarket tint also. The result is an almost mirror-like effect from outside on all but the front door windows (which are only darker because they had no factory tint). Its all but impossible to see inside from anywhere but the front doors and windshield, yet my tint is not darker than legally allowed. I apologize for the length of this reply, but since I have first-hand experience with both the vehicle and the sub I wanted to weigh in. Best wishes on whatever you do. Randy We're living in a world that's been pulled over our eyes to blind us from the truth. Where are you, white rabbit? "DR RASTIS FAF00FNIK" wrote: >Why not use it for a headrest? >I TOTALLY enjoy jamming those with the loud booming stereos! it works [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> Thanks.</font> I?ve never heard of two VHF transmitters jamming boom cars. Where did you discover this intriguing technique? I'm a tech, and I've never heard such a thing. I have seen EMP devices deployed that work wonders though. | "DR RASTIS FAF00FNIK" wrote: | >Why not use it for a headrest? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] | I've never heard of two VHF transmitters jamming boom cars. Where did | you discover this intriguing technique? > I'm a tech, and I've never heard such a thing. I have seen EMP devices > deployed that work wonders though. > | I've never heard of two VHF transmitters jamming boom cars. Where did > | you discover this intriguing technique? Try it..it works. You can simulate it with two hand held radios and a boom box. Simply put the two handhelds on the same channel, key them both and listen to what it does to the boombox. The resulting "beatnote" will be detected in the boombox. ...but then, with the amount of wattage necessary to accomplish this feat, won't it be in violation of FCC regulations? I believe it does, since it would interfere with radio and television reception. You see, the very nature of what you propose dictates that it must violate those regulations, and I certainly hate paying fines, particularly large federal ones. | > I'm a tech, and I've never heard such a thing. I have seen EMP devices | > deployed that work wonders though. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | listen to what it does to the boombox. | The resulting "beatnote" will be detected in the boombox. > ...but then, with the amount of wattage necessary to accomplish this > feat, won't it be in violation of FCC regulations? I believe it does, since [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > | listen to what it does to the boombox. > | The resulting "beatnote" will be detected in the boombox. Oh jeez..give me a break! it doesnt take thousands of watts. It's about as bad as doing 40 in a 35MPH zone. I suppose your 100 % honest on your income tax right? I bet if they make a mistake in your favor at the store you point it right out don't you? Did you ever operate a CB set without a license when it used to be required? Do you have a FRS/GMRS radio, and if so what is your FCC issued Callsign? I doubt the FCC is going to bother with you if you rip up some Hip-Hop's piece of sh.t stereo. Your NOT going to "decimate" radios and TV's for miles..just one a.sholes boombox..... What kind of a "Tech" are you, that you can't figure this out? Nope, in only takes screwing up someone's reception to be in violation, and *I am* 100% honest on my income tax...so much the IRS wants to send me more money (go figure ). Yes, you might get a ticket the first time, but subsequent noncompliance could land a person in jail for a year in addition to a fine....techs get it worst of all, because we know better. Sorry, Charlie. | > ...but then, with the amount of wattage necessary to accomplish this | > feat, won't it be in violation of FCC regulations? I believe it does, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] | miles..just one a.sholes boombox..... | What kind of a "Tech" are you, that you can't figure this out? > My reasons for installing a sub are very simple. There is no way even > good quality 5x7 speakers (I have Boston Acoustics) in the doors can [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Now, does anyone have any suggestions for placement of the sub without > a lecture attached? :-) No need to place it anywhere for better sound. Like the subwoofer in a 5.1 surround system at home, anyplace you put it is fine. Bass sounds are non-directional. I made my own subwoofer out of 2 10" base speakers, two of the wired in together and just put them under my rear seat, out of sight, out of mind. I found tweaking my amp to include a little of the midrange in hrtz makes the sound just right as the door speaker do high and middle high perfectly. On another note, I absolutely am amazed and astounded that a simple little subwoofer is not standard on all cars. Cost in bulk is nothing to car companies yet sound and tunes are enhanced 100%. msm. I can't remember where I saw it, but someone makes an 8" or 10" sub that goes into the little netted cubby in the back. You can probably Google it. > My reasons for installing a sub are very simple. There is no way even > good quality 5x7 speakers (I have Boston Acoustics) in the doors can [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Now, does anyone have any suggestions for placement of the sub without > a lecture attached? :-) The high priced talent makes music the way they think it should be played. The recording engineer adjusts the sound so it reflects his taste and maybe that of the talent. The folks make the play back equipment take pains to reproduce the sound without distorting it or coloring it. Them along comes somebody without a ounce of talent and screws it up beyond belief and says "listen to how great this is" Charlie > Why not use it for a headrest? > I TOTALLY enjoy jamming those with the loud booming stereos! it works [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> Thanks. > The high priced talent makes music the way they think it should be > played. The recording engineer adjusts the sound so it reflects his [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Charlie You're missing one obvious point. Every human hears sounds slightly diferent and women and other races hear sounds diferent from men and other races. Also, there are large variation in hearing due to genetics and life experiences that change the way you hear, like loud sounds, too much use of headphones and more. Everyone needs to adjust music to their own tastes and hearing because while I might not hear bass as well as you do, high sounds drive me crazy. A truly talented engineer makes the sound even across the board, and you can always adjust your stereo or tv for your own hearing. See? try placing it at an angle towards one of the back corners instead of directly perpendicular to the back hatch. how far away is the driver from the back hatch? :try placing it at an angle towards one of the back corners instead of :directly perpendicular to the back hatch. : :how far away is the driver from the back hatch? Thanks Wabbitslayer. The driver seat is probably about 7 feet or so from the back hatch. that's a pretty good distance for the waves to bounce off of...you could try moving it closer to the back, too, which I've heard helps (no personal experience with tube subs), but then you've got this huge thing right in the middle of your cargo area. you might try turning it sideways and firing it towards the side of the vehicle. Wabbitslayer 01 GT vert 01 Mountaineer >that's a pretty good distance for the waves to bounce off of...you could try >moving it closer to the back, too, which I've heard helps (no personal [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >01 GT vert >01 Mountaineer This is a subwoofer we're discussing. Non-directional.  SignatureBill Funk Change "g" to "a" > This is a subwoofer we're discussing. Non-directional. "we" are? I'll stand by what I said. >> This is a subwoofer we're discussing. Non-directional. > >"we" are? I'll stand by what I said. Yes, we. It's in the thread, and it's specifically what you responded to. Right there in the subject, even. Subwoofer puts out bass; bass is non-directional. That's why the location of a subwoofer isn't critical. SignatureBill Funk Change "g" to "a"
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