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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Explorer / May 2005

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'02 XLT windows intermittent

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Bob - 13 May 2005 21:18 GMT
This problem comes and goes. The two left side windows don't always work.

The left front seems the most intermittent. It mostly works, then it won't
open (I usually keep all the windows closed).

Once, when the left rear wasn't working (from the driver's control switch),
I tried its control, too. It didn't work. So, it sounds like the problem is
in the controller (computer?).

1) Has anyone had this problem?

2) Does anyone know where the controller for the windows is?

Thanks much for any help.

Bob
Bill Jeffrey - 14 May 2005 17:12 GMT
Bob -

I posted about the same problem three or four weeks ago.  Not much help
was forthcoming.  In my case, it was the left rear-seat window.  I
pulled the trim panel off the door so I could get to the mechanism.  I
confirmed that power was reaching the motor from either switch, and that
the motor tried to turn but couldn't.  I concluded that something was
jammed in the reduction gear mechanism, probably a broken tooth chipped
off a gear, but I didn't get a chance to open it up and confirm. The
window suddenly started working again, and I concluded that by clonking
around inside the door, I had probably jostled the obstruction enough to
clear it.  Probably only temporarily, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Anyway, I'm not sure I'd jump right into replacing the "computer",
whatever and wherever that is.

Bill Jeffrey
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> This problem comes and goes. The two left side windows don't always work.
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Bob - 14 May 2005 18:29 GMT
Bill,

I've done a little more research and here's what I've learned:

If power is getting to the motor, but it's jammed, then the lights in the
car should dim (you must turn on the interior lights to see this,
obviously). Also, if you look on ebay and search for -- explorer window
motor repair -- (without any quotation marks) then you'll see some repair
kits for sale. They all have these little plastic gizmos, and they're really
inexpensive. I'm not sure what they're supposed to fix, but they claim that
"usually the motor is okay", and it's these little plastic hoopajoos that
are the culprit.

When you say that the motor has power, did you measure across the motor, or
just from the chassis to one side of the motor? I've found some wiring
diagrams, and there doesn't seem to be any type of controller or computer
(my bad for suggesting there may be). What the diagrams do show is that the
master control switch (driver's control) feeds the slave motor its path to
the minus side of the battery (aka chassis or ground). The +12V is available
locally at each door panel's switch. So, if the master driver's side switch
can't feed its ground connection to the rear then the rear switch won't work
either -- however one side of the motor will still get +12V (but of course
the motor wont turn).

Here's a link to the wiring diagram. It's for an older Explorer, but it's
probably the same as the newer ones:

http://autorepair.about.com/library/faqs/bl070f.htm

Unfortunately, my windows don't fail that often. I may have to solder wires
to the motors and bring them out as test points so that I can truly see if
the failing motor is getting both +12V and its return (gnd/chassis) when
it's not working.

I'll keep you (and the group) posted on any new info.

If you decide to get those little plastic thingy-ma-bobs from ebay, then let
us know how they work.

Bob

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Bill Jeffrey - 15 May 2005 15:58 GMT
Hey, that's good info about the repair kit, Bob.  Thanks.  I'll look for
one.

In my case, I didn't see the lights dim.  However, that may be because I
tried it only a few times with the interior lights on, then turned them
off at the dashboard switch since I had the door open for hours at a time.

With the trim panel off the door, I found that there is a connector that
runs down to the motor/circuit breaker.  I was able to stick my meter
probes into the back side of the connector, onto the wires that run down
to the motor, and see voltage as well as seeing the polarity reverse
when I hit the Down switch as opposed to the Up switch.  Your diagram
shows the same connector.

Just for yucks, I also pulled this connector apart, and measured the
resistance of the motor/circuit breaker.  About one or two ohms, as I
recall, confirming that the c/b was closed and the motor has continuity.

It was shortly after that when I discovered that I could hear the motor
make a short clunk when I hit either the Up or Down button - the motor
was trying to run, but there was no motion.  In addition, the motor did
NOT hum and run freely - it truly was not turning.

It was shortly after that when I discovered that if I used a mirror to
see into the door cavity, there was a small motion of a big white
(nylon) gear the first time I hit the Up or Down button.  The gear moved
a tiny bit - one way for Up, the other way for down - and then wouldn't
move any further when the same button was pressed again.

Not knowing what else to do, I gave up and reassembled the door.  I was
actually driving to the mechanic when I absently pushed the Down button.
 And it worked!  And still works, a few weeks later.  I have no idea why.

You are right - the diagram hasn't changed much, except for wire
numbers, connector numbers and so forth.  The new diagram also shows the
little LEDs that glow green under the switch.

Bill
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syclone - 15 May 2005 17:51 GMT
I had (have) the same problem with my left passenger door window on my
03XLT.  It would work for a while and then stop for a while.  I has
scheduled to go to the dealer for the rear hatch window fix when it
stopped again. While I was on my way to the dealer, I jiggled the
window lock out switch, and the window started to work.  I got to the
dealer and told service about the problem. When I picked up the
vehicle,  they said that the problem was in the master switch, which
they replaced.  Great - it worked for 2 weeks.  Now it's back to not
working again.  I'm going to call service and have them look at it
again.  Stay tuned!
Cedartown Electronics - 16 May 2005 16:36 GMT
'03 XLT .  Had and still have the same problem with the left rear passenger
window on mine also.  I never tried to take it apart myself (warranty) but
my dealer replaced the motor and that "fixed" it for about a week or so.  I
carried it in for the hatch repair and the window was working that day and
of course two days latter it quit again......

/Richard

> I had (have) the same problem with my left passenger door window on my
> 03XLT.  It would work for a while and then stop for a while.  I has
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> working again.  I'm going to call service and have them look at it
> again.  Stay tuned!
Bob - 17 May 2005 03:14 GMT
It looks like my left rear has stopped working permanently. I *WILL* find
the problem, now. I listened carefully for any motor noise but didn't hear
anything. So, hopefully it's just the driver's switch assembly that has
failed.

Stay tuned. Film at 11.

Bob

> '03 XLT .  Had and still have the same problem with the left rear
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>> working again.  I'm going to call service and have them look at it
>> again.  Stay tuned!
 
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