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Big Shoe - 11 Aug 2006 20:44 GMT

I am soon going to purchase a set of new tires for my '05 Limited as
the original BFG's are getting so noisy that I don't want to listen to
it any more. And yes, they have been rotated regularly and front end
alignment checked.

My Ford dealer recommends the GoodYear Fortera Triple Tred over the
Michelin Cross Terrain and LTX M/S. Tire rack ratings show the
GoodYear as superior to the others, but also show the Bridgestone
Dueler H/L Alenza with very good ratings, better than Michelin. My
personal experience with the LTX M/S has been very good, don't have
any experience with the Cross Terrain.

My question is - can anyone comment about their experience with the
GoodYear or the Bridgestone?

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Ron B. - 11 Aug 2006 21:59 GMT

> I am soon going to purchase a set of new tires for my '05 Limited as
> the original BFG's are getting so noisy that I don't want to listen to
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> My question is - can anyone comment about their experience with the
> GoodYear or the Bridgestone?

I have had the Bridgstones and they were quiet but would not stop in
snow. Replaced two front bumpers because of the poor wet traction on the
Dueler HL. Replaced the Duelers with Yokohama's than gave the Explorer
to our son and now we have a Lincoln with Michelins. The Yokohama's were
great tires at half the price of the Dueler and LTX. Super traction in
wet or dry but don't expect to get much more than 40,000 miles out of
them if that much. The Explorer is on it's fourth set of tires and our
son loves it, I have 20,000 on the Lincoln Aviator with Michelins with
no problems. If all the tires were free I would chose any one except the
Bridgstones. Good luck on your choice.

Ron

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Fred 2 - 12 Aug 2006 01:09 GMT

My '96 Explorer V8 came with the Firestone ATX, Replaced them with
Michelin LTX M/S, when they finally wore out, I replaced them with the
current tires, Goodyear Fortera Silent Guard, so far no problems.

The Goodyear Fortera Triple-Tred is a unidirectional tire, the tred
runs in one direction, no cross-tire rotation.

>> I am soon going to purchase a set of new tires for my '05 Limited as
>> the original BFG's are getting so noisy that I don't want to listen to
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>
>Ron

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Big Shoe - 12 Aug 2006 02:57 GMT

Looks like I picked the wrong Fortera. The dealer actually
recommended the SilentArmor, not the Triple Tred.

>My '96 Explorer V8 came with the Firestone ATX, Replaced them with
>Michelin LTX M/S, when they finally wore out, I replaced them with the
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>>Ron

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Herb Kauhry - 12 Aug 2006 04:57 GMT

I got Michelin Cross Terrain via the Firestone debacle. At 40K miles the
firestones were worn out. The Mich'es are still going at 55K. Quiet, good
feel and excellent in snow. They're my choice for the next time I buy
tires.

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Alan Moorman@visi.com - 13 Aug 2006 03:45 GMT

>I got Michelin Cross Terrain via the Firestone debacle. At 40K miles the
>firestones were worn out. The Mich'es are still going at 55K. Quiet, good
>feel and excellent in snow. They're my choice for the next time I buy
>tires.

I got the Michelins as the exchange for the original Firestones.

They're basically OK, although the speedometer reads 3 mph faster,
now. And, sometimes I hear a background jet overhead, and then
realize that is the tires. It's not really noisy, but it is there
on certain concrete pavements when driving at highway speeds.

Alan

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Alan Moorman@visi.com - 13 Aug 2006 13:52 GMT

>>I got Michelin Cross Terrain via the Firestone debacle. At 40K miles the
>>firestones were worn out. The Mich'es are still going at 55K. Quiet, good
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>
>Alan

Actually, the Michelins were Michelin LTX M/S, the same ones Jim
Warman recommends. . .

Alan

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Big Shoe - 13 Aug 2006 14:37 GMT

I took a close look at the original Goodrich tires, which have gotten
very noisy. What I had not noticed before is that many of the blocks
in the tread are worn to a different height than the surrounding
blocks. This has to be defective materials and workmanship. No way
could that happen from balance or alignment problems. Trouble is if I
ask for an adjustment I have to buy new Goodrich tires, so will not do
that.

Thanks for the input, I will most likely go with the LTX M/S because
of my good experience in the past and because of your recommendations.

>>>I got Michelin Cross Terrain via the Firestone debacle. At 40K miles the
>>>firestones were worn out. The Mich'es are still going at 55K. Quiet, good
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>
>Alan

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stevie - 13 Aug 2006 15:46 GMT

I had a similar problem with Michelins. my mechanic (very honest) said the
tire noise and uneven wear were due to tire cupping, possibly caused by bad
shocks. these were Michelins LTX with about 45000 miles.

I had shocks replaced and put on new set of Michelins (same tire that I had
on car).

I like the Michelins. Sears gave me a pretty good credit for the 'cupping'
tires, which still had some good tread on them.
I took a close look at the original Goodrich tires, which have gotten
very noisy. What I had not noticed before is that many of the blocks
in the tread are worn to a different height than the surrounding
blocks. This has to be defective materials and workmanship. No way
could that happen from balance or alignment problems. Trouble is if I
ask for an adjustment I have to buy new Goodrich tires, so will not do
that.

Thanks for the input, I will most likely go with the LTX M/S because
of my good experience in the past and because of your recommendations.

>>On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:57:40 -0400, "Herb Kauhry" <tiptoe@tulip.me>
>>wrote:
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>
>Alan

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shizznick - 01 Sep 2006 04:17 GMT

Tire cupping is caused from not enough balancing, improper alignment, worn
shocks, etc. I know this. I have credentials from Goodyear.
One thing to keep in mind... Any miles over 40k on an SUV or Light Truck on
one set of tires are "bonus" miles. Tire salespersons will sell you 70k
mile tires or whatever the warranty you want - however, few tires will last
that long. The catch on the mileage warranty is this... Let's say you
bought 70k mile tires. But they wore out in under 50k miles. Guess what?
You pay for the tread you used. If you used 90% of the tread (doesn't
matter how many miles), you will pay 90% of the price of the new
replacement. Thats 90% of the RETAIL price of the new. Not the great deal
you got because you shopped and compared and played this dealer against that
dealer. You may have gotten tires at say $50 per, but "retail" could be $80
per. You do the math...

Anyways, I bought some Goodyear Wrangler MTR's 20k miles ago. I purchased
the "Road hazard warranty" (which I always recommend) because it included
free lifetime rotation AND balancing. I use it. Every 3k, I have these
mudders rotated and balanced. No vibration, no cupping. Major road noise
due to the big lugs but that's what ya get with mudder tires. The tires,
brand new have 19/32 of tread on them. After 20k, (because I take care of
this small investment) I am only down to 17/32nds of tread. Phenomenal
considering the type of tire.

Hope this helps.

>I took a close look at the original Goodrich tires, which have gotten
> very noisy. What I had not noticed before is that many of the blocks
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>>Alan

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akheel - 12 Aug 2006 08:19 GMT

I've got the Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revos. The Revo is the best one they
have. Great tire, mud, snow, gravel. A little noisier than the stock
street tires, but not as noisy as the BFG A/Ts I had on another car
(great tires too). If you do anything in the snow, or on boat ramps etc.,
you should get these. Whatever you end up doing, check Costco. If they
don't carry the tire you want, they can usually order it if they carry
that brand and get it in day or two. That's what they did with my Revos
and it was the best deal of any place when you included the mounting,
balancing, stems etc. that are big add on's a most places.

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Big Shoe - 12 Aug 2006 18:40 GMT

You're right about Costco, I shop there a lot. According to their web
site, they stock both Michelins in my size and a set of 4 is about
$100 less than the dealer quoted, including lifetime rotation and
balancing.

>> I am soon going to purchase a set of new tires for my '05 Limited as
>> the original BFG's are getting so noisy that I don't want to listen to
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>and it was the best deal of any place when you included the mounting,
>balancing, stems etc. that are big add on's a most places.

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Jim Warman - 13 Aug 2006 03:34 GMT

Michelin LTX M/S... accept no substitutes. I have had these on many vehicles
and never looked back... good performance, good treadwear, good everything.

My 1994 beater truck is coming due for tires.... this rusty old piece of
crap (that I wont allow my loving bride to drive) will get my tire of
choice....

To paraphrase the woodworking newsgroup - "buy the best and only cry
once...".

>I am soon going to purchase a set of new tires for my '05 Limited as
> the original BFG's are getting so noisy that I don't want to listen to
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> My question is - can anyone comment about their experience with the
> GoodYear or the Bridgestone?

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Bill Hall - 19 Aug 2006 18:39 GMT

Jim
Haven't seen any postings on the woodworking group in quite awhile.
Different sig??

Bill

> Michelin LTX M/S... accept no substitutes. I have had these on many
> vehicles and never looked back... good performance, good treadwear, good
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>> My question is - can anyone comment about their experience with the
>> GoodYear or the Bridgestone?

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