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Check Engine Light, 97 Ford Explorer

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lblion@verizon.net - 03 Jun 2007 07:36 GMT
The Check Engine Light on my '97 Ford Explorer SOHC has been on for
quite some time. It is 10 years old and has 177K miles. The problem is
that, here in Southern California, of course, you must pass a Smog
Check and obtain a Smog Certificate in order to obtain Registration. I
know that it will not pass the check as is. I had the problem
diagnosed, and the DTC's were several, P1715, P1762, P0455, P0171 and
P0174. I read up enough on these codes to know that a couple of them
are possible transmission problems, an evaporation control system
problem (leak), and two system too lean problems. This vehicle does
not have much more life in it, but it runs well. At this point, I just
want to get my Registration and Tags and replace the car in two years
or less. I know that fixing all of the problems will, more than
likely, be very expensive. I'm not sure if my '97 Explorer has an EEC-
IV or EEC-V system, but I have read some articles that say that it can
be reset by disconnecting the red battery cable for 5 minutes or more,
or by using a scan tool to complete the reset. The question I have is,
even if I reset the EEC-IV or EEC-V system, will it clear out the
codes long enough for me to drive to the nearest testing center and
obtain a Smog Certification. Can anyone help?
Happy Traveler - 03 Jun 2007 08:07 GMT
No, it won't do it. Your vehicle is OBDII. Clearing the codes also sets the
so-called 'monitors' to 'incomplete' status. The monitors are read out when
checking for codes, and you will fail (in fact, there is a code, P1000 if I
am not mistaken, for incomplete monitors). They take a long drive cycle
(city, highway, etc) that can last hours -- perhaps even days -- without any
emission-related issues to complete. Even assuming that all monitors will be
OK (probably not, especially if you have an evaporative system leak), by
that time some of the codes will return. Sorry, this is intentional,
designed exactly to prevent what you are thinking of doing. Your reward will
be breathing cleaner air.

> The Check Engine Light on my '97 Ford Explorer SOHC has been on for quite
> some time. It is 10 years old and has 177K miles.
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> it clear out the codes long enough for me to drive to the nearest testing
> center and obtain a Smog Certification. Can anyone help?
lblion@verizon.net - 04 Jun 2007 06:44 GMT
> No, it won't do it. Your vehicle is OBDII. Clearing the codes also sets the
> so-called 'monitors' to 'incomplete' status. The monitors are read out when
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> > it clear out the codes long enough for me to drive to the nearest testing
> > center and obtain a Smog Certification. Can anyone help?

Thank you very much for taking the time to respond. I appreciate the
help. I was
told that it will cost an additional $200 to diagnose the 5 codes,
hopefully to narrow it
down to what is ultimately causing the problem. Of course, my fear is
that there are multiple
problems that need to be addressed, and with the 177K miles, it may be
very expensive to
solve the problem (if indeed it can be resolved). In your estimation,
do you think I am spinning
my wheels (no pun intended) here, or should I look at cutting my
losses and consider buying
or leasing a vehicle at this point. June 24th is just around the
corner (tag expiration), so I am
struggling with which way to go.
Happy Traveler - 04 Jun 2007 08:31 GMT
I appreciate the trust -- incidentally bestowed upon someone who is not an
in the trade at all. What I know about auto repair comes from tinkering with
my own vehicles over the years -- somewhat assisted by a large pile of books
and a couple engineering degrees (neither in the automotive field). As my
own '98 Expy has the 5.0L engine and the 4R70W transmission, no direct
experience here. Take what I say with a large grain of salt. If you get
lucky and someone like Jim or Tom respond, follow their advice and ignore
what I say...

First, it's worth verifying that all those codes are systematic and not
something random. Not sure what you mean by 'diagnosed'. I am assuming that
they ran on-demand diagnostics, and not just retrieved stored codes. I will
also assume that the vehicle has no significant drivability issues, though
you did not say anything to this effect. So here is the best I can say about
your list of trouble codes:
1) Believe it or not, the most common reason for the 'gross evaporative
leak' code P0455 is a loose or poorly sealing gas cap. Take a look --  
nothing to loose there and you may get lucky.
2) You told us nothing about the history of your vehicle so this is a wild
guess. The 4.0L SOHC had a common problem with intake manifolds, resulting
in 'unmetered air' (vacuum leaks). Those could explain the 'lean' codes
P0171 and P0174. Unless you know that the problem has been taken care of,
it's worth checking. Google the archives of this group for details. This
stuff could also be as simple as a open vacuum hose somewhere or a faulty
fuel pressure regulator - hardly a big deal.
3) I will be on a very shaky ground even trying to say anything about your
transmission-related codes. Assuming that yours is the 5R55E, my book says
that P1715 indicates a 'mechanical' shift solenoid failure. P1762 could be
either a solenoid or a band failure. It should result in losing 2nd or 5th
gear - something that you should have noticed.

I can't really answer your question about dumping the vehicle. It's a matter
of philosophy more than anything else -- I keep a 22 year old LTD with 200K
and it still passes emissions with flying colors. My philosophy is that if
the body is sound, the rest is worth repairing. As I do most of the work
myself (and enjoy it), this philosophy may not suit you.
With the possible exception of P1762, which could (or could not) be a band
failure, I don't see anything here that would require a major teardown of
either the engine or the transmission, though the bill could easily reach
$1000 and beyond - depending on the shop and what exactly they find. Yet
it's an 11 year old vehicle approaching the end of life for its major
components, especially if they have not been meticulously maintained; and
you may be faced with bigger expenses in the not-so-distant future. The
choice is yours. If you decide to go for it and don't have oodles of money
to spend, stay away from the dealer. For the engine-related issues find an
independent that has not been asleep for the last 20 years, understands
OBDII and has a decent scanner - not too much to ask for. I can't believe
that California cares about your transmission selecting gears properly or
not. If they do, find an independent transmission shop that your friends
were happy with. Not every transmission shop is a scam operation. I once had
a problem with erratic shifting that produced no codes. The owner of a small
shop told me that he was too busy to work on my vehicle for the next week,
but "get a good look at the EPC solenoid yourself" - and it was right on.
You know who gets my business next time...

Good Luck!

> Thank you very much for taking the time to respond. I appreciate the
> help. I was
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> corner (tag expiration), so I am
> struggling with which way to go.
 
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