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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Explorer / June 2007

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Ten per cent ethanol

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Charlie Bress - 13 Jun 2007 02:01 GMT
My 92 Explorer has chronically been fussy about starting. We have blamed
various brands of gasoline as well as things like winter/summer blends and
off brand stations.

The symptom has been that a cold engine took two tries before it would fire
up. experiments like waiting with the key in the run position, changing air
filter, cleaning IAC, etc. have shown no difference. Problem might go away
for a while but always returned.

Recently I filled up with an off-brand that was a few cents cheaper and the
SUV started nicely every time.  At the second fill up at the same station, I
noticed a sticker on the pump that advised that he fuel contained 10 %
ethanol.

My limited search on the internet found that the ethanol raised the octane
rating of the gas. There was nothing I could find regarding starting
effects. I understand that the higher the octane, the harder it is to ignite
the fuel air mixture. This is why higher octane gas inhibits engine knock.
This makes it counter intuitive that the ethanol would enhance starting. It
ought to make it harder to start. The 92 service manual when addressing hard
starting complaints advises that the use of higher octane fuels may be the
cause and that the user is advised to stick with 87 octane.

So what I have is a contradiction. ethanol, raising the octane should make
starting more difficult. In practice it almost seems as if the ethanol acts
like a starting fluid.

What is the experience of other users, especially those with the older 6
cylinder engines?

Charlie
Ashton Crusher - 13 Jun 2007 06:01 GMT
>My 92 Explorer has chronically been fussy about starting. We have blamed
>various brands of gasoline as well as things like winter/summer blends and
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>
>Charlie

I have had similar variations in starting ability that sometimes seem
related to the gas being used.  As to the question of octane and the
relationship to ethanol... There is more to gasoline properties then
the octane rating.  There is also the volatility of the gasoline. From
info I've read in the past, if you are just dealing with gasoline and
comparing an 87 to a 92 octane GAS, the 92 octane will not be quite as
volatile and will consequently the vehicle will be a little harder to
start.  But, when you throw some alcohol in you raise the octane
rating even though it doesn't necessarily change the volatility of the
gas.  So an gasohol won't necessarily act like "high octane" gas even
though it has a higher octane.
Charlie Bress - 13 Jun 2007 14:33 GMT
>>My 92 Explorer has chronically been fussy about starting. We have blamed
>>various brands of gasoline as well as things like winter/summer blends and
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> gas.  So an gasohol won't necessarily act like "high octane" gas even
> though it has a higher octane.

But is the ethanol acting like a starting fluid because it is more volatile
than gasoline?

Charlie
Ashton Crusher - 14 Jun 2007 06:17 GMT
>>>My 92 Explorer has chronically been fussy about starting. We have blamed
>>>various brands of gasoline as well as things like winter/summer blends and
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>
>Charlie

Interesting question.  I always thought starting fluid was much more
volatile then alcohol.  I thought they used ether for starting fluid.
Kenneth J. Harris - 14 Jun 2007 15:08 GMT
Ethanol does raise the octane rating a bit, but is less volatile than
gasoline.  So the 10% ethanol mix will be lower in volatility but higher
in octane.  But in addition, the ethanol acts as a dry gas--it absorbs
any water(from condensation etc.) that is in your gas tank.  This alone
may make an engine start better in hot as well as in cold weather.  In
my area (New York) the 10% ethanol mix is the only thing allowed to be
sold for about half of the year in order to meet emissions requirements.
So my Mountaineer V6 only gets that and has never had a starting problem.

Ken

> My 92 Explorer has chronically been fussy about starting. We have blamed
> various brands of gasoline as well as things like winter/summer blends and
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Charlie
 
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