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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Explorer / April 200592 Ford Explorer won't start - battery problem?
Hey there. I have a 92 Ford Explorer that I am having a problem with starting all of a sudden. I bought it last week, and there were no problems the first few days. I bought one of those battery solar panels to keep the battery charged, and plugged it in via the cigarette lighter. The instructions say that it won't drain the battery, but I don't think I believe them anymore - as of yesterday the battery is simply fried, it seems. The battery is almost seven years old (warranty ran out after 6yrs). When I tried to start the car, all I got was a couple of clicks, and the internal light is very dim. The door chime also sort of starting slowing down and slurring. I boosted it from another car, and it started up. I drove it around for about an hour after that, and it seemed fine. Stopped it & started it several times. But after coming back to it a few hours after parking, it was dead, it would only click. Several attempts to get it to start resulted in not even a clicking. So I boosted again! This time the battery had drained so far the clock on the stereo had reset! I assume all this means I need a new battery, but I wanted to check with others and make sure it might not be some other problem. Thanks for your feedback! Tyler (cmaitson AT telus DOT net) > Hey there. I have a 92 Ford Explorer that I am having a problem with >starting all of a sudden. I bought it last week, and there were no [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Tyler (cmaitson AT telus DOT net) It's dead, Jim. Uh, Tyler. I meant Tyler! :-) Six years for a battery is pretty good. Break down and buy a new one, and your problems will probably disappear. Well, the starting problems, anyway! The battery is almost seven years old (warranty > >ran out after 6yrs). For cripes sake... Go to Costco and pry $35.00 out of your wallet !!! If I EVER had a battery last 7 yrs, I'd build a shrine around it and worship it !! And up yours too, j.rk off. If you actually read my post, and thought about what it said for maybe ten seconds, you'd realize I was set to go out and get one. I just wanted others' opinions first to make sure I had the right diagnosis as (as I said) I had just bought the thing and was unsure as to what the problem might be. In fact, I've never owned a vehicle before this week. So kindly blow your attitude out your a.s, keep your nasty insinuations about my character out of my posts, and drop dead while you're at it. Knob. Tyler > The battery is almost seven years old (warranty > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If I EVER had a battery last 7 yrs, I'd build a shrine around it and worship > it !! If I were you, I'd get used to the idea of paying for advice / service. And judging from your personality, you'll probably wind up paying top dollar ! I'd bet the guy who sold you the shitbox is probably laughing his a.s off ! > And up yours too, j.rk off. If you actually read my post, and > thought about what it said for maybe ten seconds, you'd realize I was [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > If I EVER had a battery last 7 yrs, I'd build a shrine around it and worship > > it !! Mmm. Somehow, I am not going to put much faith in a flamer's opinion of my personality and future personal dealings with others. Especially when said flamer has as a sample size of 1. And *particularly* awho doesn't even post his contact information. The guy who sold me the suv thru the edm.forsale group is coming to my going away party next week. His selling me the thing made my whole relocation possible. He gave me an excellent deal on a well maintained vehicle, and paid for everything the mechanical inspection showed needed fixing with no complaint (which was just some bearing greasing). And thus I am going to show my gratitude for his magnaminousness and general niceness in selling me such a fine suv by having him over for my going away wine & cheese. So. He is a sweet old guy, so kindly don't malign HIM either, you obnoxious prat. Keep your nasty thoughts in your head and out of public places; the world is quite ugly enough without people like you making it even worse for no reason. Tyler > If I were you, I'd get used to the idea of paying for advice / service. > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >>>it !! MAN ! What an Arse ! > Mmm. Somehow, I am not going to put much faith in a flamer's opinion > of my personality and future personal dealings with others. Especially [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > > >>>it !! Mmm. Somehow, I am not going to put much faith in a flamer's opinion of my personality and future personal dealings with others. Especially when said flamer has as a sample size of 1. And *particularly* awho doesn't even post his contact information. The guy who sold me the suv thru the edm.forsale group is coming to my going away party next week. His selling me the thing made my whole relocation possible. He gave me an excellent deal on a well maintained vehicle, and paid for everything the mechanical inspection showed needed fixing with no complaint (which was just some bearing greasing). And thus I am going to show my gratitude for his magnaminousness and general niceness in selling me such a fine suv by having him over for my going away wine & cheese. So. He is a sweet old guy, so kindly don't malign HIM either, you obnoxious prat. Keep your nasty thoughts in your head and out of public places; the world is quite ugly enough without people like you making it even worse for no reason. Tyler > If I were you, I'd get used to the idea of paying for advice / service. > > And judging from your personality, you'll probably wind up paying top dollar > ! > > I'd bet the guy who sold you the shitbox is probably laughing his a.s off ! >> And up yours too, j.rk off. If you actually read my post, and >> thought about what it said for maybe ten seconds, you'd realize I was [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >>> it !! Mmm. Somehow, I am not going to put much faith in a flamer's opinion of my personality and future personal dealings with others. Especially when said flamer has as a sample size of 1. And *particularly* awho doesn't even post his contact information. The guy who sold me the suv thru the edm.forsale group is coming to my going away party next week. His selling me the thing made my whole relocation possible. He gave me an excellent deal on a well maintained vehicle, and paid for everything the mechanical inspection showed needed fixing with no complaint (which was just some bearing greasing). And thus I am going to show my gratitude for his magnaminousness and general niceness in selling me such a fine suv by having him over for my going away wine & cheese. So. He is a sweet old guy, so kindly don't malign HIM either, you obnoxious prat. Keep your nasty thoughts in your head and out of public places; the world is quite ugly enough without people like you making it even worse for no reason. Tyler > If I were you, I'd get used to the idea of paying for advice / service. > > And judging from your personality, you'll probably wind up paying top dollar > ! > > I'd bet the guy who sold you the shitbox is probably laughing his a.s off ! >> And up yours too, j.rk off. If you actually read my post, and >> thought about what it said for maybe ten seconds, you'd realize I was [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >>> it !! Mmm. Somehow, I am not going to put much faith in a flamer's opinion of my personality and future personal dealings with others. Especially when said flamer has as a sample size of 1. And *particularly* awho doesn't even post his contact information. The guy who sold me the suv thru the edm.forsale group is coming to my going away party next week. His selling me the thing made my whole relocation possible. He gave me an excellent deal on a well maintained vehicle, and paid for everything the mechanical inspection showed needed fixing with no complaint (which was just some bearing greasing). And thus I am going to show my gratitude for his magnaminousness and general niceness in selling me such a fine suv by having him over for my going away wine & cheese. So. He is a sweet old guy, so kindly don't malign HIM either, you obnoxious prat. Keep your nasty thoughts in your head and out of public places; the world is quite ugly enough without people like you making it even worse for no reason. Tyler > If I were you, I'd get used to the idea of paying for advice / service. > > And judging from your personality, you'll probably wind up paying top dollar > ! > > I'd bet the guy who sold you the shitbox is probably laughing his a.s off ! >> And up yours too, j.rk off. If you actually read my post, and >> thought about what it said for maybe ten seconds, you'd realize I was [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >>> it !! LOL! are you as good at working on you car as you are at posting a simple usenet message !! ha HA HA hee HAAA What a buffoon BTW, if you go back and re-read YOU are the one who started the childish name calling. I merely pointed out that a 7 yr old battery should be replaced ! Maybe I didn't sugar coat it enough for you, but that's all it was. YOU on the other hand, launched a full-bore flame against me, and ANOTHER poster! so don't try to sermon me on what makes the world "ugly " Since you mentioned that it's the first vehicle you owned, you are most likely a 16 yr old snotty know-it-all that is used to your mommy wiping your nose, and fighting your battles for you, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Oh, and you're damn right there is no contact information ! if I want to be contacted by anyone in a newsgroup, I'll post it THEN! This is the last message I'll post in this thread though. Nobody needs another flame-war. > Mmm. Somehow, I am not going to put much faith in a flamer's opinion > of my personality and future personal dealings with others. Especially [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > > > Hardly buffoonery. The message cancels simply haven't propogated to all the mirrors yet. My newsgroup reader posted several times for nonobvious reasons. And I never said anything about name calling, btw; I asked you not to malign the character of the guy who sold me the car (ie, that he was the kind of guy who would laugh over cheating another person). And being an a.shole is hardly the same thing as "not sugar coating it", btw. Being polite and courteous is expected as a matter of course, not a super bonus you hand when you are feeling regal. I haven't launched a flame war, either. I did not post anything derogatory towards others until I was attacked myself, and I feel fully justified in defending myself against a.sholes. And I don't believe in letting jerks simply walk in and do what they like. Tolerating rudeness only encourages it by letting the perpetrators think they're doing something acceptable. I'm not 16, either. I'm 30, and up til now have managed to avoid the economic and environmental stupidity that motorized personal transport has become in North America. I've been pretty happy renting a vehicle when I need one for out of town trips, and biked or bussed the rest of the time. But I've finally come to a point where that is impractical, and it's more economical to own a vehicle for when I need it than not. I'm quite happy if you quit posting, tho. All I ask is an end to the unwarranted abusiveness. An apology would be nice as well, but I sincerely doubt that would be forthcoming. Tyler > LOL! > [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] >> > >> >>> it !! >I'm not 16, either. I'm 30, and up til now have managed to avoid the >economic and environmental stupidity that motorized personal transport >has become in North America. A comment like this is sure to endear Tyler to readers of this newsgroup! <shrug> It's just my opinion. I think that personal motorized transport is very much over-used in North American culture, and it has had hugely negative impacts on many areas of our society. I'm not dissing anyone here in particular - just the attitudes that have become prevalent about automobiles here. If I was slandering anyone who owned a car for any reason, that would be pretty stupid. I'm criticizing a social structure. Tyler >>I'm not 16, either. I'm 30, and up til now have managed to avoid the >>economic and environmental stupidity that motorized personal transport >>has become in North America. > > A comment like this is sure to endear Tyler to readers of this newsgroup! >> Hey there. I have a 92 Ford Explorer that I am having a problem with >>starting all of a sudden. I bought it last week, and there were no [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > and your problems will probably disappear. Well, the starting > problems, anyway! I did, and they did, thanks. I didn't need to break down in order to buy anything, but thanks for implying that I'm some kind of cheap bastard. Nice of you to be thinking of others that way. All I wanted to do was make sure that it WAS the battery by asking other peoples' opinions - I've never owned a vehicle before. Tyler Ain't nothing quite like biting the hand that feeds you, Ty. Seems like you may be a tad thin-skinned for UseNet... In truth, not one soul here owed you any kind of an answer - straight-forward, sarcastic, snide or what-ever...... If I were you, I'd have been happy for any answer I got... -- Jim Warman mechanic@telusplanet.net > >> Hey there. I have a 92 Ford Explorer that I am having a problem with > >>starting all of a sudden. I bought it last week, and there were no [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Tyler Bite the hand that feeds me? What hand that fed me, amigo? If all the hand does is offer a slap, damn right I will snap at it. I'm not particularly thin skinned, but neither do I tolerate pointless rudeness or abuse, in any situation. Simply because usenet is rife with abuse and flame is no excuse to either tolerate it...or indulge childishly in it for it's own sake. Usenet started primarily as a forum for researchers and students to exchange information and ask questions, and so has a long tradition of being a place to discuss various topics and ask & answer questions. But you're right, no one here *owes* me answer. And I didn't get one from anyone here, either. Telling me that it's dead is something that I already knew. What *I* was asking was, why is it dead? just old? a bad alternator? a short circuit? are explorers prone to that? I was hoping to benefit from the experience of others. Such as this helpful respone I got from golfboy on the Ford enthusiast forum: "OK a good thing about explorers is they have a volt gauge do you know what that looks like?? It is to the left of the speedo, the last guage on top should be above the temp guage, when you turn the key to on not starting the vehical the gauge should be in the normal region, then when you start it, it should jump up to over half way but still in the normal area, now if it does that then the alternator is fine and you just need a battery, also you will not be able to drive around with a dead battery and a bad alternator, the car will jump and the min you take it off the jumper cables it would die, but to me it sounds like its you battery an ez do it your self fix, just remember red is positive which goes on the pos side of the battery and black is neg goes on the neg side of the battery" Simply because it is a public place does not entitle me to an answer, tis true. I depend on the good will of others, just like those who depend on my goodwill in answering tech support type questions in other newsgroups. But it being a public place does not entitle YOU to abuse or be rude to me, nor give you any right to complain if I defend myself against such. Grow up, amigo. Politeness and courtesy are hallmarks of a cultured and mature person. And unwillingness to quietly suffer abuse is the hallmark of a free person. Tyler > Ain't nothing quite like biting the hand that feeds you, Ty. Seems like you > may be a tad thin-skinned for UseNet... [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >> >>Tyler What *I* was asking was, why is it dead? B E C A U S E I T I S S E V E N Y E A R S O L D !!!!! Yup. Tres helpful. Very explanatory, and certainly accounts for any other possible causes such as alternator or circuit issues. Which was what I was asking about and others could obviously perceive, as golfboy answered the question quite well in that context. By any measure comparing the two posts, you definitely come out looking like a knob. BTW, wasn't your post prior to this one supposed to be your last? "This is the last message I'll post in this thread though," I believe is what you wrote... Tyler > What *I* was asking was, why is it dead? > > B E C A U S E I T I S S E V E N Y E A R S O L D !!!!! <Sigh>... Tyler, it appears that you live in Edmonton. Here in Alberta, most folks are lucky to get 3 or 4 years out of a battery. Our extremes in weather and some of our more unkempt roads combine to promise our batteries an early demise. There are several reasons why a battery will fail prematurely - since you are in the apparent habit of 'biting the hand that feeds you', i.e. attacking those that offer help, I'll leave it at that. Perhaps, if Edmonton were to lose a few more folks with your temperment, it could become a more pleasant place to visit.... -- Jim Warman mechanic@telusplanet.net > Yup. Tres helpful. Very explanatory, and certainly accounts for any > other possible causes such as alternator or circuit issues. Which was [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > B E C A U S E I T I S S E V E N Y E A R S O L D !!!!! I do live in Edmonton, Jim. Thanks for the mini-info on why the batteries die early, althought that still isn't really what I was asking about originally. I asked if the problem was indeed the battery, as it seemed to be, or if it could be some other problem and the battery was just a byproduct or coincidence. I know the question wasn't asked obtusely, as the people at the Ford Forum were all polite and helpful in advising exactly the question I asked (see my previous quote of golfboy's response). Oddly enough, I feel the same way about you as you do about me - if Alberta was to lose a few more of it's obnoxious and rude people, it would be a much pleasanter place to live. That's probably true of everywhere, tho. I have to say that the majority of people I've met in Edm are pretty pleasant, though. But I do not respond to rudeness with politeness, and never will. I won't encourage that sort of thing, won't tolerate it in my relations with others, and feel socially obliged to discourage it in others when I can. Tyler > <Sigh>... Tyler, it appears that you live in Edmonton. Here in Alberta, most > folks are lucky to get 3 or 4 years out of a battery. Our extremes in [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>> >>>B E C A U S E I T I S S E V E N Y E A R S O L D !!!!! Well, a bad battery can mask other problems - since your car is 12 years old..... If you leave the comfy confines of the city, you will find that Alberta was built by people that call a spade a spade - not by pussies that get their knickers in a knot over little stuff. Having lived in small towns for many, many years, I can assure you that Edmonton is not as friendly as you presume it to be. A quick trip down the Whitemud on Friday afternoon is all you need to see that... -- Jim Warman mechanic@telusplanet.net > I do live in Edmonton, Jim. Thanks for the mini-info on why the > batteries die early, althought that still isn't really what I was asking [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > >>> > >>>B E C A U S E I T I S S E V E N Y E A R S O L D !!!!! Politeness and common courtesy can be used and one can still call a spade a spade. The only people I know who buit Alberta were my grandparents who emigrated from the Ukraine, and they are well mannered and polite. Can't speak for any of the rest, haven't met them nor read of them. But I'm willing to bet that many of the people who helped make Alberta the province it is today were courteous. And I'm sure even people outside of the major metropoli can manage politeness - my cousins, who mostly own cattle & dairy farms, certainly can. I'll certainly agree that Edm drivers suck rocks, tho. But I think that's true of all of Alberta, especially given that the rural accident rate is quadruple the metropolitan rate (according the Edm Journal, anyway). But that's somewhat irrelevant to the kind of courtesy we're discussing here, which relates to direct interpersonal communication. And while I certainy can't do much about obnoxious drivers, I can certainly smack down rude posters online. I'm not getting my knickers in a knot - I'm addressing something I see as a serious social problem. There's no call for such behaviour, and it's totally unacceptable. If you want to offer advice and help, or even constructive criticism, do so. Act like a child? Then expect a spanking. Tyler > Well, a bad battery can mask other problems - since your car is 12 years > old..... [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] >>>>> >>>>>B E C A U S E I T I S S E V E N Y E A R S O L D !!!!! Suit yourself, Ty.... you're the one that got ripped over precious little more than nothing. I can certainly see that you are as right as right can be and no one can show you different. People outside urnan areas deal in truths.... they are candid... even if you don't like what they say or how they say it, it will remain the truth. You are upset with either the truth or the way the truth is presented to you..... You will find that this is not my problem nor the problem of those that you were upset with - it is your problem and yours alone. Though I see that you have received one 'apology' (for what I'm at a loss), I remain adamant... you received replies - you got pissed. You, young sir, will never, ever shape my demeanour and have effectively removed yourself from 30 some odd years of free expertise. I am the way that I am.....I have worked hard and long for the right to be this way and I refuse to capitulate to someone that cannot abide real life in real doses... Good day, young sir -- Jim Warman mechanic@telusplanet.net > Politeness and common courtesy can be used and one can still call a > spade a spade. The only people I know who buit Alberta were my [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > >>>>> > >>>>>B E C A U S E I T I S S E V E N Y E A R S O L D !!!!! <shrug> Your expertise is no loss to me, amigo, seeing as you never addressed the question I posted. You're entitled to think that I should be grateful for any reply, no matter how obnoxious, but the fact remains that I refuse to tolerate rudeness be it from country blokes or from city slickers. You're also free to never change and stagnate all you like; nonetheless, I still feel it necessary to slap down such behaviour whenever I see it. Regardless of whether you've been insulting to others and taken pride in that for thirty years, and fought long and hard to be that way. I'm perfectedly capable of dealing with the truth, and I'm generally grateful for it regardless of how it is presented. However, your original post didn't address my actual question regarding my battery, and in fact was insulting in implying that I was some kind of cheap bastard who had to "break down and guy a new one". So there was no truth presented, and an insult was made - I feel perfectly justified in taking offense. If you can't deal with others politely, or take the time to actually read a post before responding, I suggest you are the one who has a problem. Tyler > Suit yourself, Ty.... you're the one that got ripped over precious little > more than nothing. I can certainly see that you are as right as right can be [quoted text clipped - 148 lines] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>B E C A U S E I T I S S E V E N Y E A R S O L D !!!!! >Though I see that you have received one 'apology' (for what I'm at a loss), Like I said, no offense was intended *or offered." I checked on Ebay - there aren't any senses of humor being offered right now, but I suggest Tyler check there once in a while. > I did, and they did, thanks. I didn't need to break down in order to >buy anything, but thanks for implying that I'm some kind of cheap [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Tyler I'm sorry if you were offended. No offence was intended or offered. Thanks mate - I appreciate the apology. It wasn't that offensive, really, but I'm pretty quick to get riled up - especially on usenet. Tyler >>I did, and they did, thanks. I didn't need to break down in order to >>buy anything, but thanks for implying that I'm some kind of cheap [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'm sorry if you were offended. No offence was intended or offered. >Thanks mate - I appreciate the apology. It wasn't that offensive, >really, but I'm pretty quick to get riled up - especially on usenet. > > Tyler There was no offence intended *or offered.* That you took offence is an agressive act on your part - you *took* offence where none was offered. Yup, I took offense, and that was certainly aggressive. But until someone said so, how could I know none was OFFERED? Telling me that I'm a cheap bastard who has to "Break down and buy a new one" is pretty offensive, I think. Especially when my question had nothing to do with whether or not I could avoid getting a new battery, but rather if it was just the battery alone or if the battery was indicative of another problem. There was no call to be rude like that. Tyler >>Thanks mate - I appreciate the apology. It wasn't that offensive, >>really, but I'm pretty quick to get riled up - especially on usenet. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > That you took offence is an agressive act on your part - you *took* > offence where none was offered. I guess you must be reading a different newsgroup.. I've followed this whole thread, .... I didn't see ANYONE tell you that you are a "cheap bastard". You read a LOT into what isn't there ! I bet you get in a lot of fistfights, huh ? > Yup, I took offense, and that was certainly aggressive. But until > someone said so, how could I know none was OFFERED? Telling me that I'm [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > That you took offence is an agressive act on your part - you *took* > > offence where none was offered. Nope, I never get into fistfights. And I don't think I was reading all that much into the posts. Telling me that I need to break down and buy a new battery, as if I was trying to avoid it & was looking for something else wrong, was insulting. Especially by following it up with "your problems will probably disappear. Well, the starting problems, anyway!", to me implying that I had a problem because I was a skinflint. Plus the second poster's "For cripes sake... Go to Costco and pry $35.00 out of your wallet !!!" To me, the worst part is that they obviously didn't even bother reading the post before blitzing me with garbage. I wrote "I assume all this means I need a new battery, but I wanted to check with others and make sure it might not be some other problem. " So obviously I knew the battery was dead & needed replacing. What I wanted to know was WHY the battery might be failing - if it was symptomatic of something else. These two guys just went immediately on to tell me the battery was dead, & to buy a new one instead of trying to avoid it. Which wasn't what I was asking about at all, and insulted me in the bargain. And I'm certain the post wasn't obscurely worded, as I got excellent help on the same question at the Ford Enthusiasts forum from more than one poster. So I think I've got a fair amount of justification for calling these guys knobs, and for being offended by their implying that I'm some kind of cheap bastard. Tyler > I guess you must be reading a different newsgroup.. > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>>That you took offence is an agressive act on your part - you *took* >>>offence where none was offered. > Nope, I never get into fistfights. And I don't think I was reading >all that much into the posts. Telling me that I need to break down and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Plus the second poster's "For cripes sake... Go to Costco and pry >$35.00 out of your wallet !!!" You *really* need to get a sense of humor! > Yup, I took offense, and that was certainly aggressive. But until >someone said so, how could I know none was OFFERED? If you can't tell when offense is offered, best to assume it's not been offered. >Telling me that I'm >a cheap bastard who has to "Break down and buy a new one" is pretty >offensive, I think. I never called you a "cheap bastard." >Especially when my question had nothing to do with >whether or not I could avoid getting a new battery, but rather if it was >just the battery alone or if the battery was indicative of another >problem. There was no call to be rude like that. > > Tyler When something is common knowledge (like the fact that car batteries don't often make it to 6 years), it's unusual for people to not know it. That *you* didn't know it is unusual. The responces you got were, as I saw them, done in a light-hearted manner. You decided to take offence. You further said that you do this as a matter of course. To then tell others that *they* have a problem after announcing to the world that it's you with the hair trigger only compounds you rproblem. To put it succintly: you *know* you have a problem with taking offence where none is offered. You've admitted that. Use that knowledge wisely. At 30, you should be over that sort of attitude. > If you can't tell when offense is offered, best to assume it's not > been offered. Nope. It seemed quite obvious to me that it was being offered. > When something is common knowledge (like the fact that car batteries > don't often make it to 6 years), it's unusual for people to not know > it. > That *you* didn't know it is unusual. Yup, it is unusual. So why attack someone who doesn't know, instead of offering constructive advice? Obviously I know zip about cars and needed some advice. > The responces you got were, as I saw them, done in a light-hearted > manner. You decided to take offence. You further said that you do this > as a matter of course. Nope. I just said I was think skinned, particularly when I ask for help and get abuse instead. > To then tell others that *they* have a problem after announcing to the > world that it's you with the hair trigger only compounds you rproblem. Nope again. They were definitely rude, and worse, weren't even reading my post before doing so. > To put it succintly: you *know* you have a problem with taking offence > where none is offered. You've admitted that. Use that knowledge > wisely. At 30, you should be over that sort of attitude. <shrug> Your entitled to your opinion. I never said I had a problem with taking offense when none was offered. I only said I was thin skinned, which is not the same thing at all - I am quick to TAKE offense, not to see it where it is not happening. I will continue to confront rudeness when I see it, and to me both posts were pretty rude - especially given that they didn't address the issue I was talking about. All people, of any age, are entitled to a certain basic level of common courtesy. Tyler >> If you can't tell when offense is offered, best to assume it's not >> been offered. > > Nope. It seemed quite obvious to me that it was being offered. Like I said... >> When something is common knowledge (like the fact that car batteries >> don't often make it to 6 years), it's unusual for people to not know [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >of offering constructive advice? Obviously I know zip about cars and >needed some advice. You weren't attacked. You were being subjected to humorous banter. If you see so many people attacking you, you really should adjust your attack-meter. It's too sensiotive. >> The responces you got were, as I saw them, done in a light-hearted >> manner. You decided to take offence. You further said that you do this >> as a matter of course. > > Nope. I just said I was think skinned, particularly when I ask for >help and get abuse instead. See above. >> To then tell others that *they* have a problem after announcing to the >> world that it's you with the hair trigger only compounds you rproblem. > > Nope again. They were definitely rude, and worse, weren't even >reading my post before doing so. See above. >> To put it succintly: you *know* you have a problem with taking offence >> where none is offered. You've admitted that. Use that knowledge [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > All people, of any age, are entitled to a certain basic level of >common courtesy. See above. Are you really 30? > Tyler Bill, having been to Edmonton on too many occasions, and having seen the mindset of the young urbanite western canadian (nothing like class distinctions, right?), we can be reasonably sure that Tyler is indeed 30 or there-abouts, has parents that are more affluent than your average blue collar worker, has never had his hands dirty (not in the normal sense of the word, anyway) and likely has (and probably still is) attending university. He feels that automobiles are " I think that personal motorized transport is very much over-used in North American culture, and it has had hugely negative impacts on many areas of our society." yet chooses to purchase a SUV rather than a "practical pair of shoes". (Notwithstanding that northern Alberta is a land of great distances - if you don't have have a car, you're probably gonna marry your sister). I sincerely hope that Ty reads this and gets a tight enough knot in his panties to have a real hissy fit and crawl back into whatever he came from. On the international scene, he's a poor representative for Canadians and he's quite unlike 90% of real Albertans. Just for spite, I should go outside, start every motor I own and let every last one of them idle for an hour in honour of (drum roll please...some one is going to come out and say it....) "that cheap bastard". There.... now he can qvetch. -- Jim Warman mechanic@telusplanet.net > >> If you can't tell when offense is offered, best to assume it's not > >> been offered. [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Are you really 30? > > Tyler Yup, I am 30. My parents lived below the poverty line while they were alive, tho7 - Dad was a drunk and died of liver failure (come to think of it, a pretty Albertan way of life). I moved out on my own when I was 17, and did a lot of jobs working my way thru University including working construction during the summer. And I've already graduated with two degrees (psych & computing science). I purchased an SUV for entirely practical reasons. I plan to drive it to my new home in Arizona, toting my stuff, and then use it for off road trips to go hiking/biking/camping once or twice a month. I have a nice bike for commuting with in town. And I have no objection to people using cars for their needs in rural areas - living in such an area makes a vehicle necessary. However, personal motorized transport IS hugely overused in NA culture; the vast majority of urbanites certainly don't really need one for in-city travel, and they are pretty wasteful for such. It's why I bike, walk or bus everywhere. If needed, I'll taxi or rent-a-car (usually only two or three times a year). I wouldn't have a 'hissy fit' is response to this post - there would be no point, seeing as you already know my feelings on your style. And actually, I'm quite pleased to not be like 90% of Albertans; they're not really my kind of people. Ultimately, I plan to live in New Zealand. As for being an Alberta representative, that's pretty funny. I've actually been such on a couple panels at international conferences. And it's spelled "kvetch," btw. Tyler > Bill, having been to Edmonton on too many occasions, and having seen the > mindset of the young urbanite western canadian (nothing like class [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] >> >>>Tyler You will definitely need a vehicle if you plan to do much "getting around" here in Arizona. What part are you moving to? > Yup, I am 30. My parents lived below the poverty line while they >were alive, tho7 - Dad was a drunk and died of liver failure (come to [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] >>> >>>>Tyler autozone, walmart will test battery for you. Hey there. I have a 92 Ford Explorer that I am having a problem with starting all of a sudden. I bought it last week, and there were no problems the first few days. I bought one of those battery solar panels to keep the battery charged, and plugged it in via the cigarette lighter. The instructions say that it won't drain the battery, but I don't think I believe them anymore - as of yesterday the battery is simply fried, it seems. The battery is almost seven years old (warranty ran out after 6yrs). When I tried to start the car, all I got was a couple of clicks, and the internal light is very dim. The door chime also sort of starting slowing down and slurring. I boosted it from another car, and it started up. I drove it around for about an hour after that, and it seemed fine. Stopped it & started it several times. But after coming back to it a few hours after parking, it was dead, it would only click. Several attempts to get it to start resulted in not even a clicking. So I boosted again! This time the battery had drained so far the clock on the stereo had reset! I assume all this means I need a new battery, but I wanted to check with others and make sure it might not be some other problem. Thanks for your feedback! Tyler (cmaitson AT telus DOT net) Thanks for the advice mate. I took the battery to Cdn Tire and got a new one. Was mostly just worried that the battery was dead because of some other problem with the car, but the Cdn Tire guy told me that 6yrs is about as long as a battery lasts anyway. Plus got some handy tips from the Ford Enthusiasts forum on how to check for other probs! Tyler > autozone, walmart will test battery for you. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Tyler (cmaitson AT telus DOT net) >the Cdn Tire guy told me that 6yrs is about as long as a battery lasts anyway. Did you launch into a tyrade, and scream at him "I DIDN'T ASK YOU HOW LONG A BATTERY LASTS, I ASKED IF THERE WAS ANOTHER REASON THAT IT FAILED " ?? just curious ;) > Thanks for the advice mate. I took the battery to Cdn Tire and got a >new one. Was mostly just worried that the battery was dead because of >some other problem with the car, but the Cdn Tire guy told me that 6yrs >is about as long as a battery lasts anyway. Plus got some handy tips >from the Ford Enthusiasts forum on how to check for other probs! In my experience, 6 years is very good. Most of the batteries in cars/trucks I've had over the years have lasted about 4-5 years, mostly around 4.  SignatureMike Iglesias Email: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu University of California, Irvine phone: 949-824-6926 Network & Academic Computing Services FAX: 949-824-2069 I hate to start up this nasty thread again after reading every post in it but, does anyone have any suggestions on where to look if you've replaced the battery and now get nothing, not even interior lights? I have a '94 Explorer and have had to have it jumped three times in the last month. After the first time, I took it and had the battery checked and was told that the battery was fine and that the charging system was fine. I had no problems for the next several weeks. The second time was this morning and the third this afternoon. Assuming that it may just be time to change the 4+ year old battery, I bought a new one. After hooking it up though, the interior lights were working for a while, now they don't come on at all. A voltmeter reads 12.5 DC volts across the battery terminals so I assume the battery is OK. It reads -12.5 across the power relay. I don't know where to go from here. If I don't hear anything, I'll be calling AAA again in the morning. Hopefully, Tyler won't be still reading this newsgroup. ;-) Thanks, msforbes@comcast.net SignatureMichael Forbes > Hey there. I have a 92 Ford Explorer that I am having a problem with > starting all of a sudden. I bought it last week, and there were no [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tyler (cmaitson AT telus DOT net) If you check the voltage at your cigarette lighter, what do you get? If you have nothing, then odds are good you have a bad cable. |I hate to start up this nasty thread again after reading every post in it | but, does anyone have any suggestions on where to look if you've replaced [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] | > | > Tyler (cmaitson AT telus DOT net) i had the same kinda problem and did alot of reasearch on it. the positive battery terminal has a serious flaw, and that is it corrodes almost to nothing. the cable may look ok from the outside but the inside is destroyed. this cable runs all the way down to the starter and could have problems that u cant see. if u have not replaced it yet, replace it. u have to get it from a dealership since it is a specialty cable. good luck >I hate to start up this nasty thread again after reading every post in it >but, does anyone have any suggestions on where to look if you've replaced [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> >> Tyler (cmaitson AT telus DOT net) Thanks, I plan to at least have the dealer figure out what's wrong if I can't narrow it down. I have a day off planned tomorrow anyway, but wasn't planning on this. ;-) SignatureMichael Forbes >i had the same kinda problem and did alot of reasearch on it. > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >>> >>> Tyler (cmaitson AT telus DOT net) >Thanks, I plan to at least have the dealer figure out what's wrong if I >can't narrow it down. I have a day off planned tomorrow anyway, but wasn't >planning on this. ;-) You may be able to narrow it down a little; peel back some of the insulation on the positive battery cable. *ANY* corrosion is an indication the cable is corroded, and needs to be replaced. SignatureBill Funk Change "g" to "a" You don't "have to" get it from the dealer, but you will probably end up with a better cable. I got one that fit from Auto Zone but the terminal connector is bronze and it corrodes very easily. I put a bunch of anti-corrosion goop on it and leave the cover off of the positive terminal and that helps. I think the cable from the Zone was about $9 and Ford gets about $45. On my '92 the cable was completely corroded to the point that there was only powder inside the insulation and amazingly the engine started up fine right up to the point where the cable was falling apart. hi i think it is the cable. i replacemy own with the same problem. i replaced both of them. one cable is connectted near the front coil spring which is hard to get to . i did not put it back where ford put it. i nsted conneted it to a good ground on the engie block. i thas been that wat for 72000. miles. i have 189,000 on egine v-6. > You don't "have to" get it from the dealer, but you will probably end up > with a better cable. I got one that fit from Auto Zone but the terminal [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > right > up to the point where the cable was falling apart. Thanks to everyone who offered advice. I have been able to get the engine to start consistently now. I removed the cables from the terminals, cleaned them more thoroughly and made sure to push them onto the terminals firmly and that seemed to do the trick. I did notice a worn area on the positive cable where it passes under the air duct that connects to the top of the engine. I assume that this gets hot and that has caused the insulation to melt over time. I still plan to have these cables replaced but can now wait until the budget will allow for it. Thanks again, Michael SignatureMichael Forbes >I hate to start up this nasty thread again after reading every post in it >but, does anyone have any suggestions on where to look if you've replaced [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> >> Tyler (cmaitson AT telus DOT net) |
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