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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Explorer / February 2004

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Brake Life Question

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pray4surf - 14 Jan 2004 02:28 GMT
Front pads shot once again...

It appears I'm averaging 14,000 mile (approx 1 year) between front brake pad
replacements.

Is this typical? (realizing all the variables that go into this ;-))

Prolly a good mix of hwy/city...

I'll google, but any pad recommendations?

Rick
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pray4surf - 14 Jan 2004 04:05 GMT
I know, I know....

91 XLT 4X4

189,000 total miles

Rick
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Mark Barrett - 10 Feb 2004 18:42 GMT
95 XLT 231000 miles and everything works.  I only drive it when I need
the 4WD (lots of snow lately) or I need to tow a utility trailer.  I
last changed the front pads at 90,000 miles and they didn't really need
replacement at that time.  I do mostly highway and it has a 5 speed manual
which means I use the brakes a lot less than if it had an automatic.
Mark

> I know, I know....

> 91 XLT 4X4

> 189,000 total miles

> Rick
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Jim Warman - 14 Jan 2004 06:19 GMT
Even for very dusty or muddy conditions this sounds a bit much (you're not a
"two-hoofer" are you?).

In the past I have used many brands including Raybestos and Wagner with good
results. Most manufacturers have a cheapy, bargain line to attract the
economy shopper.... stay away from these. A good metallic pad should offer
good service life but remember that harder pads cost more and can wear the
rotors more quickly. I still prefer the Motorcraft Premium pads..... they
usually come with the necessaary hardware.

Other areas to consider.... rotor finish and thickness - rotors should have
a non-directional finish and be very smooth (anything else is just a big
rotary file) - they should also be thicker than minimum, the thicker the
better. The rotor handles the same heat load (measured in BTUs) whether it
is thin or thick..... ergo, thin rotors will reach a higher temperature more
quickly since there isn't as much metal to handle the heat load.

Caliper and pad mounting.... pads should be tight enough to not rattle
(causing a squeak later on) and caliper slides should be clean and
lubricated with caliper slide grease (sorry, no part number but it is also a
die-electric compound). Caliper pistons that are sticky in their bores can
also be a problem.

Odd things that can cause grief include faulty brake hoses (GM had a rash of
them on the pick ups around the early '90s) that can hold pressure on the
caliper for too long - also, an improperly adjusted master cylinder pushrod
can hold front brake pressure. Two or three years ago, I flushed the brakes
on my (then fairly "new to me") '79 Yamaha..... the old fluid came out like
molasses.....

Your driving style can do a lot, too. Lift off the throttle early and apply
the brakes gently, designing the stop to keep the same gentle pressure on
the pedal through the whole manoeuver. High pedal pressures equal high pad
wear.

HTH.

Jim Warman
mechanic@telusplanet.net

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John Shoemaker - 14 Jan 2004 13:24 GMT
I always had problems with the front brakes on my '92.  Pad and rotor
life were both short, pad life around 20K - 25K, rotors maybe 40K -
50K.  In contrast, original pads and rotors lasted 85K on my '99.  I
live in the same location and drive the same way - the difference is
the design of the brakes.  Given all that, Jim's comments are on
target that 14K is awfully short.

>Even for very dusty or muddy conditions this sounds a bit much (you're not a
>"two-hoofer" are you?).
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pray4surf - 14 Jan 2004 14:40 GMT
Thanks Jim and John for your responses.

"Two-hoofer" refers to riding the brake pedal while driving?

Primary driver is my wife, while she is cautious, I don't believe that she
rides the brakes, or uses the brakes in any unusual way... But aftermarket
mfrs have been supplying the hardware. I'll take your pad recommendations
with me.

I'm suspecting that the rear shoes (replaced 28,000 ago) are not showing the
wear like the fronts are. I imagine there is some sort of proportioning
valve that divides the braking capability between front and rear. How is
this checked for proper operation? I'm thinking that the fronts are being
asked to perform the majority of the braking. This could lead to faster
brake wear. No?

Rick
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Jim Warman - 14 Jan 2004 19:53 GMT
If the rear brakes aren't working at all, we would expect to see premature
front brake wear....... and, of course, there's always a "but".

Given the (roughly) 60/40 weight distribution having most of the weight
(when empty) on the front wheels and having braking dynamics throwing even
more weight forward. The front brakes need to do much more work than the
rears...... expect 2 or even 3 front brake jobs for one rear brake job. The
tires with the higher weight bias will have better traction than the tires
carrying lower weight.... equalizing the braking forces between front and
rear axles would have the rear wheels skidding long before maximum front
braking force is achieved.

Jim Warman
mechanic@telusplanet.net

> Thanks Jim and John for your responses.
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pray4surf - 15 Jan 2004 01:56 GMT
: If the rear brakes aren't working at all, we would expect to see premature
: front brake wear....... and, of course, there's always a "but".
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: Jim Warman
: mechanic@telusplanet.net

What you've explained is completely understandable. Thank you...

Question (No,they never stop coming <BG>) - Wheels are off. Drivers side
rotor looks great cannot see or feel any rivet damage, pads are thin, due to
be replaced. Passenger side is another story... Some scoring on the outboard
side, major scoring on the inboard sign. I'll be replacing this rotor with
the pads.

To be honest, I always overlook re-greasing the caliper slide pins during
wheel off inspections. Dr. Bob mentions this
http://www.glue.umd.edu/~singletn/web/pages/service.html Can this sort of
preventative maintenance help extend the life of the pads?

Is this procedure a simple matter of pulling the pins, regreasing them and
reinstalling? Or should new pins be purchased each time?

I appreciate all the assistance you have supplied.

Keep grease in your fingernails!

Rick
pray4surf - 15 Jan 2004 02:32 GMT
Addendum

: Is this procedure a simple matter of pulling the pins, regreasing them and
: reinstalling? Or should new pins be purchased each time?

FYI - This procedure seems to be covered in great detail at
http://www.explorer4x4.com/tips2.html#caliper

Rick
 
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