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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Falcon / December 2003Ford Keys, getting them cut?
Need to get another key cut for the Falcon AUII... I've been told by a friend that it would cost serveral hundred dollars to get a key cut with a central locking key-fob. Would I have to get this done through a Ford dealer? Has anyone had one done recently - and how much did it cost? TIA. > Need to get another key cut for the Falcon AUII... I've been told by a > friend that it would cost serveral hundred dollars to get a key cut with a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > TIA. I was told by mates that it's between $30 and $50 from places like Mister Minit etc. (just for the key cut) Rod. It's expensive. I've never bothered with my EL due to the high costs. I bought my EL in 99 from a dealer. Biggest mistake I make was not specifying in the sale contract is two keys and keypads. Brenden > Need to get another key cut for the Falcon AUII... I've been told by a > friend that it would cost serveral hundred dollars to get a key cut with a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > TIA. Last EL key I got was $70 for the transmitter and $15 for the key. Not too bad considering. And you can program the key yourself (read the manual). Pat. > It's expensive. I've never bothered with my EL due to the high costs. I > bought my EL in 99 from a dealer. Biggest mistake I make was not specifying [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > TIA. > Last EL key I got was $70 for the transmitter and $15 for the key. Not > too bad considering. And you can program the key yourself (read the > manual). > > Pat. Where abouts did you get your key and transmitter from Pat? Thinduke >Need to get another key cut for the Falcon AUII... I've been told by a >friend that it would cost serveral hundred dollars to get a key cut with a >central locking key-fob. > >Would I have to get this done through a Ford dealer? Has anyone had one >done recently - and how much did it cost? Havn't had it done but i'm pretty sure the like of Mr Minit do it, I can't see it costing more than a few bucks neither as its only a key, the Commodore uses a combined key/transmitter and is likely to be pricey so maybe your friend is mixing it up? some commode keys are sealed and must be replaced when the battery fails, which was a pretty stupid design, but to be expected of Holden, don't know if they are still like that. > >Need to get another key cut for the Falcon AUII... I've been told by a > >friend that it would cost serveral hundred dollars to get a key cut with a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the Commodore uses a combined key/transmitter and is likely to be > pricey so maybe your friend is mixing it up? G'day, It wont cost you several hundred dollars to cut one key. It will be pricey though. Although its not several hundred dollars, you'll probably be looking at $150-170 to get a key cut and coded. (depending on the Ford dealership.) The key will probably be about $105, because of the chip inside the key, for a genuine Ford key. Cutting of the key will prob be approx $15. This can be done at the dealership if they have the facilities to do so, if they dont any professional locksmith should be able to cut the key. The coding of the key to the vehicle should be done at any Ford service dept. It will probably cost about $45 for coding. You will need both keys present or any other keys so the all respond to the code. (without coding the key and trying to start the car, the car will turn over but will immediately cut out) Hope this will help you as a guide. Swanee > Need to get another key cut for the Falcon AUII... I've been told by a > friend that it would cost serveral hundred dollars to get a key cut with a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > TIA. >G'day, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >The key will probably be about $105, because of the chip inside the key, for >a genuine Ford key. There is no chip inside any Falcon key though, its all on the seperate remote :) >Cutting of the key will prob be approx $15. This can be done at the >dealership if they have the facilities to do so, if they dont any >professional locksmith should be able to cut the key. Yep, a new Tibbe Lock key for a Falcon should be around this price. >The coding of the key to the vehicle should be done at any Ford service >dept. It will probably cost about $45 for coding. You will need both keys >present or any other keys so the all respond to the code. (without coding >the key and trying to start the car, the car will turn over but will >immediately cut out) If you buy a new remote for a Falcon, the instructions for it to learn' your cars codes are in the owners manual All Falcon Tibbe keys, from 6/1999, (not remotes) have to be programmed to the the car. Before this they used the standard keys which is only about $13-15. The PATS (Passive Anti-Theft System) keys are hooked up to the immobiliser (Smart Shield). Its to prevent to vehicle from being hotwired, if it doesn't recognise the signal it wont go. > >G'day, > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > If you buy a new remote for a Falcon, the instructions for it to > learn' your cars codes are in the owners manual >All Falcon Tibbe keys, from 6/1999, (not remotes) have to be programmed to >the the car. Before this they used the standard keys which is only about >$13-15. The PATS (Passive Anti-Theft System) keys are hooked up to the >immobiliser (Smart Shield). Its to prevent to vehicle from being hotwired, >if it doesn't recognise the signal it wont go. How does this work Adam? Looking at my BA key, its just got a hunk of plastic hanging off the shaft and it doesn't look or feel like it contains anyhting electronic, the shaft itself looks the same as any prior Tibbe setup. The way I understand the Falcons immobilizer system works is it uses LED's inside the lock barrel to determine if the correct key is inserted, if so it sends a signal to the EEC and this prevents hotwiring. >>All Falcon Tibbe keys, from 6/1999, (not remotes) have to be programmed to >>the the car. Before this they used the standard keys which is only about >>$13-15. The PATS (Passive Anti-Theft System) keys are hooked up to the >>immobiliser (Smart Shield). Its to prevent to vehicle from being hotwired, >>if it doesn't recognise the signal it wont go. Yep, sounds pretty close. I'm glad someone spoke up :) PATS keys only came in with smartshield - which is AUII onwards. > How does this work Adam? > Looking at my BA key, its just got a hunk of plastic hanging off the > shaft and it doesn't look or feel like it contains anyhting > electronic, the shaft itself looks the same as any prior Tibbe setup. Dont question it - ford says that the key transmits a signal in AUII onwards (Smartshield). I have seen this disproved - but who is to argue with FoMoCo ? > The way I understand the Falcons immobilizer system works is it uses > LED's inside the lock barrel to determine if the correct key is > inserted, if so it sends a signal to the EEC and this prevents > hotwiring. Yeah, youre on the right track. Speaking from Smartlock experience (and i believe smartshield is similar, except the addition of the PATS keys) there is an infrared receiver and transmitter inside the lock assembly, which are placed within range when the correct key is inserted and turned to the ignition position. When they are in range, the unique code stored in the igition barrel is transmitted and reaches the smartlock module (inside the BEM). If the BEM recieves the expected code, it will allow you to start the car. If not, the car will be immobilised as the BEM controls the starter relay and he ECU relies on the BEM being in an mobile state to operate spark and fuel (for those who are running straight gas, this doesnt affect you). There is a procedure for the BEM to learn new ignition codes, which of course would be required if you change your ignition barrel. Slightly related - the keyfobs (remotes) can be added (or removed) from your smartlock modules memory. This needs to be done after relearning new ignition codes. Up to 4 remotes can be programmed. There is plenty of smartlock and smartshield information including procedures and wiring diagrams at www.fordmods.com I'm currently in the middle of fitting EL ECU, BEM and Ingition barrel into my pre-smartlock EB falcon... I can assure you smartlock does quite a good job of stopping your car from being hotwired :D Cheers -Be |
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