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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Falcon / June 2004Engine Reco
Hi guys the time has come for the big red beast to get a new heart or a full reco. It's an 89EA 5sp man with 300k on the dial. Was just wondering what others here would do. The suspension is nearly all new (12-24months old) and i love driving it heaps and don't wan't to sell the car. What sort of prices would/will people pay for a reco (my engine) or swap for ef/l unit s/hand from a wrek etc... I'm quite handy with a spanner and can get the engine out and in with no worries. I've had the head off before when it cracked two weeks after buying it and re-fit it and i've had no worries with it but now the bottom ebd is getting clunky and knocks a bit at idle and the oil pressure goes right down when at operating temp. I have played a hand in putting an engine together that has had all of the machining done etc etc, would it be significantly cheaper to do it myself or leave it for a pro or just go and get an exchange engine? your opinions and thoughts welcome. If i go the recondition route is there any worthwhile performance tips/tricks to get some extra power from it preferably more torque as i know they don't like to rev hard. Oh i'm in canberra if someone can reccomend a good mechanic to me. > Hi guys the time has come for the big red beast to get a new heart or a full > reco. It's an 89EA 5sp man with 300k on the dial. Was just wondering what [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > preferably more torque as i know they don't like to rev hard. Oh i'm in > canberra if someone can reccomend a good mechanic to me. In the past, I've found second hand engines (Valiant Hemis) that have been checked out properly (try and hear it running if possible in the car it came from) are good value for money,..but then again, a reco was too dear for me at the time. They can be got in relatively large numbers in Sydney. Jason >Hi guys the time has come for the big red beast to get a new heart or a full >reco. It's an 89EA 5sp man with 300k on the dial. Was just wondering what [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >preferably more torque as i know they don't like to rev hard. Oh i'm in >canberra if someone can reccomend a good mechanic to me. With your skills, id be tempted to go for the challenge Matthew, get a EF/L engine from a lowish K wreck. Should be able to pick one up for under 1K, + you get a few extra ponies and can spend the change on extractors/better exhaust/cat. In an comparitevly light EA + manual, that thing would hammer! The swap of course requires a few tricks, from memory your best to keep the EEC IV and the dizzy setup (if you get an EF donk, swap the EA dizzy in, assuming its a MPEFI setup). Reason is the EECV has the Smart shield stff thats s little hard to adpat to the EA, if you do this, the dual plenum butterfly doesn't work though. Check on fordforums.com a few people have done this swap and the butterfly thing may have been solved. OR Rip the engine out yourself, strip it down and give it all to a machine shop, get the head recoed, new pistons pushed onto the rods, new big/mains/rings from this shop, possiblt gasket set and oil pump too and if your good at Meccano sets, chuck it all back together yourself :) at a guess, i'd say all up cost would be around $1K. fordforums.com shold be a good source of modding ideas, Jim Mock has some kits, Herrods dabbles with them too. > The swap of course requires a few tricks, from memory your best to > keep the EEC IV and the dizzy setup (if you get an EF donk, swap the > EA dizzy in, assuming its a MPEFI setup). is there actually a facility to install a distributor on the EF engine? it uses coil pack ignition, the EL went back to distributor though "Uncle Chop Chop" <choppa@bigbong.com> wrote in message news:40adcbf0$0$16585 > is there actually a facility to install a distributor on the EF engine? it > uses coil pack ignition, the EL went back to distributor though The distributor will slot straight in.... Regards, Noddy. Thanks for the info guys. I'll have to wait till i get my mini panelvan back on the road. I like the idea of a D.I.Y reco. Ahh stuff it i'll do that sounds like fun as long as i get a good machine shop to do it all. I'll start getting some prices on monday. Would getting it all fully balanced be worthwhile? > "Uncle Chop Chop" <choppa@bigbong.com> wrote in message > news:40adcbf0$0$16585 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. > Would getting it all fully balanced be worthwhile? Unless it's got a major problem, you more than likely wouldn't notice a difference either way.... Regards, Noddy. i didn't think balancing a long stroke style motor would do terribly much anyways. any pitfalls in the 89 MPFI 3.9lt engine i should be wary of seeing as you have deald with many falcon engines over time (long time reader but rarely post) > > Would getting it all fully balanced be worthwhile? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. > i didn't think balancing a long stroke style motor would do terribly much > anyways. any pitfalls in the 89 MPFI 3.9lt engine i should be wary of seeing > as you have deald with many falcon engines over time > (long time reader but rarely post) Not really other than to say if you could get an EF engine cheap, it'd be a significantly better unit to use. Short of that, make sure every single component of your cooling system is in excellent condition, as it's the one weakness of the EA.... Regards, Noddy. A full rebuild taking the block, head and crank in for machining, plus all the parts with be around $2,200 with you supplying the labour for the tear down and screw back together. I know from experience. Wreckers around here quote $1500 for a used EL 6 cyl. Pat. > >Hi guys the time has come for the big red beast to get a new heart or a full > >reco. It's an 89EA 5sp man with 300k on the dial. Was just wondering what [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > fordforums.com shold be a good source of modding ideas, Jim Mock has > some kits, Herrods dabbles with them too. >A full rebuild taking the block, head and crank in for machining, plus all >the parts with be around $2,200 with you supplying the labour for the tear >down and screw back together. I know from experience. sh.t that wasn't cheap. I did my Windsor in this manner for around $1500, thats new cam, pistons, rods, oil pump, cam/crank bearings, Felpro gasket set, new core plugs, double row roller timing chain, new timing cover bolts, new (good second hand) timing cover, 2 x engine crane hire, oil. Block/inlet manifold/sump even was acid bathed, oil galleries cleaned, 30thou bore, 10 thou on the crank and heads where cleaned up. Slapeed it back together myself and when I sold it after about 15,000k's, compression was 220psi on 7 of 8 pots, one was 215psi, I was gutted :) >Wreckers around here quote $1500 for a used EL 6 cyl. Check the specials on this page - http://www.allpanelsandparts.com.au/ AU donk for $950 inc computer and loom, i've seen them advertise EL engines for circa $650 It seems the way to go but it'll be a bit of a hassle on the computer side of things with the AU motor. don't they have a body module your supposed to have to go with the ECU? I'll ask all the local machine shops how much they charge if i bring it in in bits > >A full rebuild taking the block, head and crank in for machining, plus all > >the parts with be around $2,200 with you supplying the labour for the tear [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > AU donk for $950 inc computer and loom, i've seen them advertise EL > engines for circa $650 >It seems the way to go but it'll be a bit of a hassle on the computer side >of things with the AU motor. don't they have a body module your supposed to >have to go with the ECU? You can use your current ECU/dizzy which doesn't use a BCM/Smartshield. Its been done a few times now, check fordforums.com under the engine section - you might have to do a search. test > Hi guys the time has come for the big red beast to get a new heart or a full > reco. It's an 89EA 5sp man with 300k on the dial. Was just wondering what [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > preferably more torque as i know they don't like to rev hard. Oh i'm in > canberra if someone can reccomend a good mechanic to me. >test Out of interest. I noticed a guy on fordforums wrecking an EA, it has an AU VCT engine! that would be nice except i just threw 2k at rebuilding my mini engine > >test > > Out of interest. I noticed a guy on fordforums wrecking an EA, it has > an AU VCT engine!
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