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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Falcon / August 2004what the ell is a "falcon?"
X-No-Archie:yes OK ,I've been reading this group a bit because I used to own a 1965 ford falcon v-8.At the risk of sounding like a troll, I can't figure out what this thing is you are talking about.Is there a comparable vehicle in the US with another name?Could someone explain very briefly what this vehicle is,I'd appreciate it.thanks. Brian from Berkeley (Calif,USA) Well, what about a Mercury Comet? The rich man's Falcon. And the Mustang was built on the Falcon chasis, so maybe that counts? I just subscribed because Falcon parts and Mustang parts (some) can be interchanged. So, I don't really have a handle on your question and it's relationship to other postings. Maybe you can enlighten me. It may be I am not in the right group. Dave (in Redding, CA) > X-No-Archie:yes OK ,I've been reading >this group a bit because I used to own a 1965 ford falcon v-8.At the >risk of sounding like a troll, I can't figure out what this thing is you >are talking about.Is there a comparable vehicle in the US with another >name?Could someone explain very briefly what this vehicle is,I'd >appreciate it.thanks. Brian from Berkeley (Calif,USA) V'ger jma(NOSPAM)@snowcrest.net 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 Vintage Burgundy w/ Black Std Interior 289 ci 4v V8 oem A Code Dual Exhaust C4 Auto converted to AODE 8" Trak Lok Vintage 40 wheels BF Goodrich gForce T/A 225/50ZR-16 KDWS tires Built in San Jose, CA on my birthday, May 10th ; ) Restoration by: Cool Mustang Restorations Cool, CA > X-No-Archie:yes OK ,I've been reading > this group a bit because I used to own a 1965 ford falcon v-8.At the > risk of sounding like a troll, I can't figure out what this thing is you > are talking about.Is there a comparable vehicle in the US with another > name?Could someone explain very briefly what this vehicle is,I'd > appreciate it.thanks. Brian from Berkeley (Calif,USA) What is it exactly that you're asking Brian? You used to own a Falcon, but can't figure out what it is? -- Regards, Noddy. I think he owned a '65 model falcon, but cannot go to his local Ford dealer and buy/test-drive an '04 model. I believe this gentleman suffers from a condition known as "LEFT HAND DRIVERITIS". I'm sure he is unaware of his condition, but a visit to www.ford.com.au might help answer his enquiries. When Ford US produced the Falcon for Australia in the '60s it originally came as an import. Australia started producing their own Falcons to compete with Holden's Kingswood and Commodore range. Today a variant of that same vehicle is still produced today - although I don't think you'll find too many similarities between the two. Ford USA tried to cull the Falcon a few years ago and offered us the Taurus - Australia hated it, so Falcon has stayed. Maybe with our "Free Trade Agreement" you might start seeing some Australian Falcons in the US in the future - but not likely in the immediate future. Simon Leonard > > X-No-Archie:yes OK ,I've been reading > > this group a bit because I used to own a 1965 ford falcon v-8.At the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. Re: " I think he owned a '65 model falcon, but cannot go to his local Ford dealer and buy/test-drive an '04 model. I believe this gentleman suffers from a condition known as "LEFT HAND DRIVERITIS". I'm sure he is unaware of his condition, but a visit to www.ford.com.au might help answer his enquiries. When Ford US produced the Falcon for Australia in the '60s it originally came as an import. Australia started producing their own Falcons to compete with Holden's Kingswood and Commodore range. Today a variant of that same vehicle is still produced today - although I don't think you'll find too many similarities between the two. Ford USA tried to cull the Falcon a few years ago and offered us the Taurus - Australia hated it, so Falcon has stayed. Maybe with our "Free Trade Agreement" you might start seeing some Australian Falcons in the US in the future - but not likely in the immediate future. Simon Leonard " ========$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$========= Thank you Simon,that explains it nicely,and should help Dave in Redding Calif. too. I think the last Falcon sold in the U.S. was about 1970 or 71,so it was quite puzzling to hear about sealed transmissions and XC models or whatever. So 17 time-zones away there is still a Ford Falcon ! Wonder if there is still a trim level called "Futura" or "Sprint". Best........Brian > Re: " I think he owned a '65 model falcon, but cannot go to his > local Ford dealer and buy/test-drive an '04 model. I believe this [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > there is still a trim level called "Futura" or "Sprint". > Best........Brian Yep. Falcon, Futura, Fairmont, Fairlane, LTD All the same car, just increased levels of trim. Well except for the Fairlane and LTD which are long wheel base versions :) There was a limited edition falcon in 1994 called an XR8 Sprint. Cheers Did you see the "Mad Max" movies (Mel Gibson) - the car that he drove was a XB Falcon (with a few add-on props). Simon. > ========$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$========= > Thank you Simon,that explains it nicely,and should help Dave in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > there is still a trim level called "Futura" or "Sprint". > Best........Brian > Did you see the "Mad Max" movies (Mel Gibson) - the car that he drove was a > XB Falcon (with a few add-on props). I think they were called "Road warrior" in the US. -- Regards, Noddy. > I think the last Falcon sold in the U.S. was about 1970 or 71,so it > was quite puzzling to hear about sealed transmissions and XC models or > whatever. So 17 time-zones away there is still a Ford Falcon ! Wonder if > there is still a trim level called "Futura" or "Sprint". There was never a Sprint down here unfortunately, and the closest we had to that was the XM & XP hardtops which used US Sprint body shells with local front sheet metal.. They were all 6 cylinder powered, and available here between '64 to '66. Falcon, Futura and Fairmont are still available, as are Fairlane and LTD, although the Fairlane and LTD are based on a Falcon, not a different car as they were in the US. -- Regards, Noddy. I take it these are produced with right hand drive? Any Anglias? say around a 50+ model? ; ) Looks like an old '49 Ford.. That's what we had when my dad was stationed in Scotland... Last time I was in Australia was late 1969. Some blokes I was with in Vietnam were grumpy because a dock strike was keeping their shipments of Aussie beer from flowing... so we took a C47 down, loaded up and took care of our pals. While the plane was being loaded, I flew down to Adelaide for a visit with a lady I met in the states. Then back in time to fly our war supplies.... I must say, that I was treated heartily in both Scotland, and Australia... better than England. People seemed far more reserved there. Guess I won't be running across town to check out what you have.... >> I think the last Falcon sold in the U.S. was about 1970 or 71,so it >> was quite puzzling to hear about sealed transmissions and XC models or [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >although the Fairlane and LTD are based on a Falcon, not a different car as >they were in the US. V'ger jma(NOSPAM)@snowcrest.net 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 Vintage Burgundy w/ Black Std Interior 289 ci 4v V8 oem A Code Dual Exhaust C4 Auto converted to AODE 8" Trak Lok Vintage 40 wheels BF Goodrich gForce T/A 225/50ZR-16 KDWS tires Built in San Jose, CA on my birthday, May 10th ; ) Restoration by: Cool Mustang Restorations Cool, CA > I take it these are produced with right hand drive? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Adelaide for a visit with a lady I met in the states. Then back in > time to fly our war supplies.... Cool :) I've always been inpressed by the American loogistics ability :) We had Anglia's here, and they were quite popular. We had a mix of mostly American and English cars here, with English cars being more popular largely because of the tax concessions they got with us then being part of the English Commonwealth. However, most people found them underpowered and frail for our large distances and rough roads, and American cars started to become more popular in the 1950's. Local production of the Ford Falcon started here in 1960, and it was the exact same car as used in the US, albeit in right hand drive, but the station wagon was around a foot shorter than yours. It basically remained the same as the American car until 1964, when it started to take a local style and moved away from the American version. We also had Chrysler Valiants which followed a similar path to that of the Falcon, and ceased production here in the early '80's. The other mainstream car here is the Holden, and while it's largely been billed as "Australia's own car", it's initial design came from the US, and all subsequent models following it for quite some time had to be approved by GM headquarters. In the late '70's it took on a European flavour with the "Commodore", and has remained that way ever since. > I must say, that I was treated heartily in both Scotland, and > Australia... better than England. People seemed far more reserved > there. Yeah, we hate Pommies too :) > Guess I won't be running across town to check out what you have.... I have a couple of Aussie '66 Falcon hardtops, which look pretty much like a US '63 Sprint hardtop, but with different front sheetmetal and higher tail lights. -- Regards, Noddy. Damn you Noddy, I learn something more about you all the time... I always wondered why you posted in this NG... you seem so anti-Ford, but its more of an anti-new-age-Ford thing? > I have a couple of Aussie '66 Falcon hardtops, which look pretty much like a > US '63 Sprint hardtop, but with different front sheetmetal and higher tail [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. > Damn you Noddy, I learn something more about you all the time... > > I always wondered why you posted in this NG... you seem so anti-Ford, but > its more of an anti-new-age-Ford thing? It's more of an individual model thing really. I think the BA is pretty over rated, and they could have made it a lot nicer car if they put a bit more effort into it. The AU was a fine car mechanically, but just suffered from ugly looks. I loved the EF & EL's, had a nice EFII Fairmont myself and thought they were one of the best (and most attractive) of the recent Falcons. -- Regards, Noddy. >> Damn you Noddy, I learn something more about you all the time... >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >a nice EFII Fairmont myself and thought they were one of the best (and most >attractive) of the recent Falcons. Now gives us a run down on Commodores :) > Now gives us a run down on Commodores :) I've never been a particular fan of Commodores to be honest, and I've never owned one. There's just something about them that I don't like. The overly "Euro" feel perhaps. However, in having said that, I do honestly believe the VY to be a better car than the BA Falcon in many ways, especially in the reliability/quality control stakes, and I also think it's a better looking car with a nicer interior. No matter which way I look at it, the BA is just an AU with a different front and rear to me. V8 versions of the Commodore sh.t on the BA V8's by a country mile, too :) -- Regards, Noddy. Years ago I recall one of the blokes in nam saying that of all the English speaking countries, the US and Australia shared more commonality than the rest, including Canada (must be the French influence). All the people I met there in Australia were really great, and for a long time I thought about immigrating. Dave >> I take it these are produced with right hand drive? >> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >US '63 Sprint hardtop, but with different front sheetmetal and higher tail >lights. V'ger jma(NOSPAM)@snowcrest.net 1965 Mustang Fastback 2+2 Vintage Burgundy w/ Black Std Interior 289 ci 4v V8 oem A Code Dual Exhaust C4 Auto converted to AODE 8" Trak Lok Vintage 40 wheels BF Goodrich gForce T/A 225/50ZR-16 KDWS tires Built in San Jose, CA on my birthday, May 10th ; ) Restoration by: Cool Mustang Restorations Cool, CA >> I think the last Falcon sold in the U.S. was about 1970 or 71,so it >> was quite puzzling to hear about sealed transmissions and XC models or >> whatever. So 17 time-zones away there is still a Ford Falcon ! Wonder if >> there is still a trim level called "Futura" or "Sprint". > >There was never a Sprint down here unfortunately, Yes there was, just not the one your thinking of - ED XR8 Sprint :-) > Yes there was, just not the one your thinking of - ED XR8 Sprint :-) It would be more accurate to call it as "slow" :) -- Regards, Noddy. Careful, that's one car I'd be buying if I had $$$ sitting around doing nothing... 200KW V8, with a light ED body... it certainly isn't a slug... Limited build numbers will make it a collectors item soon I'm sure. > > Yes there was, just not the one your thinking of - ED XR8 Sprint :-) > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. >Careful, that's one car I'd be buying if I had $$$ sitting around doing >nothing... > >200KW V8, with a light ED body... it certainly isn't a slug... > >Limited build numbers will make it a collectors item soon I'm sure. Nods just stirring Simon, he obviously doesn't even know what we are talking about nevermind its performance :) I'm sorry if I let you down, its just that it's one of my favourite Falcons the bait was too big this time... Next time he'll be saying that the XF was designed after a box or something like that! SL > >Careful, that's one car I'd be buying if I had $$$ sitting around doing > >nothing... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Nods just stirring Simon, he obviously doesn't even know what we are > talking about nevermind its performance :) >I'm sorry if I let you down, its just that it's one of my favourite Falcons >the bait was too big this time... > >Next time he'll be saying that the XF was designed after a box or something >like that! You didn't let me down Simon :) PS - hope the familes coming along fine mate :) > You didn't let me down Simon :) You're the most easily amused person I've never met Kieron :) -- Regards, Noddy. >> You didn't let me down Simon :) > >You're the most easily amused person I've never met Kieron :) Simple things amuse me, which is why you do :) > Simple things amuse me, which is why you do :) Haw haw haw haw haw.... That was *funny*, you complete bastard :) -- Regards, Noddy. Apparently they are good, haven't been able to visit since Saturday, damn flu... but both doing well... While I got your attention Kieron, I really miss the up to date news that aus.sport.motor used to provide, but was never interested in webforums - now I am hooked into broadband, and I am getting used to the style of web based format, which web pages do you subscribe for motorsport? Do they cost anything? Simon. > >I'm sorry if I let you down, its just that it's one of my favourite Falcons > >the bait was too big this time... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > PS - hope the familes coming along fine mate :) >Apparently they are good, haven't been able to visit since Saturday, damn >flu... but both doing well... Good to hear mate (except for the flu that is). >While I got your attention Kieron, I really miss the up to date news that >aus.sport.motor used to provide, but was never interested in webforums - now >I am hooked into broadband, and I am getting used to the style of web based >format, which web pages do you subscribe for motorsport? Do they cost >anything? Racetime.com.au provides a free subscription, Steven Rowe gets the media releases from various teams/organisations and redistributes them via email or you can subscribe to the various teams news items for free. For V8SC's, they are also posted on the v8supercar.com.au site. As for discussion forums, I limit myself to three - conrod.com.au, v8central.com and ten-tenths.com. ten-tenths is the best for decent info/discussion, conrod sadly now just a fan site and v8central the same but is more fun if you want to have a stoush with someone, mods are trigger happy there though. For Ford stuff, I used to frequent fordforums.com, you'd often get Polites/Flint in there which was interesting. There are a few ford employees posting in there too, some in the engine plant, a tester, Discovery center historian as well as dealer mechanics and dealer principals. Trouble I find is there a lot of young blokes with the Ford is best/Holden are sh.t atitude, sweet car dude, how many k's she got etc nowadays so I don't go there as often. Still a good site to get owner impressions/problems/tips etc though. |
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