Car Forum / Ford / Ford Falcon / February 2005
Wanted XA GT sedan
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Andrew P - 16 Jan 2005 01:21 GMT Guys, i am after an XA GT sedan. Looking for a genuine matching numbers car, any colour.
let me know if you know of any for sale
thanks Andrew
Peter - 18 Jan 2005 10:28 GMT They'll be a bit hard to find one mate, as the numbers decrease yearly. Plus i dont think many were made, as for the phase 5 think only 2 or 3 exist, but good luck
Peter
> Guys, > i am after an XA GT sedan. Looking for a genuine matching numbers car, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thanks > Andrew George W. Frost - 18 Jan 2005 23:49 GMT > They'll be a bit hard to find one mate, as the numbers decrease yearly. Plus > i dont think many were made, as for the phase 5 think only 2 or 3 exist, but > good luck Plenty of XA GT's made Never made a phase 5 XA Phase 4 was the highest, purportedly 200 made but only 4 accounted for, 3 still in existance and one was written off smashed, There had to be 200 come off the production line to enable them to race them at Bathurst, but nobody is sure where the rest of the 200 went to, maybe to the police department as pursuit cars, that is IF they were made. There was a great stack of what was called junk in the shed at Ford Broadmeadows which was destined for the phase 4 cars, but it went missing bit by bit and was installed into private cars
There was a phase 5 XD private build I think,
Murray Carter built an XE which was called a phase 6
Hidiho - 19 Jan 2005 01:00 GMT > There was a phase 5 XD private build I think, Yeap, just bought a book off ebay with XD-E-F's and the XD phase 5 GTHO is shown and manufactured by Phase Autos of Laverton, Melbourne..
Hidiho
Kieron - 19 Jan 2005 01:27 GMT >> They'll be a bit hard to find one mate, as the numbers decrease yearly. >Plus [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Broadmeadows which was destined for the phase 4 cars, but it went missing >bit by bit and was installed into private cars I've never heard of any more than the original 4 Phase 4's being built. There was componentry such as engines with the winged sump floating around, but they made there way to various V8 Fords from memory. I believe you could find the in some Fairlanes, but mostly XA GT's of course.
>There was a phase 5 XD private build I think, > >Murray Carter built an XE which was called a phase 6 Murray Carter wa sinvolved in the homolgatin of the Phase 5 body kit for the XD.
Noddy - 19 Jan 2005 04:59 GMT > I've never heard of any more than the original 4 Phase 4's being > built. There was componentry such as engines with the winged sump > floating around, but they made there way to various V8 Fords from > memory. I believe you could find the in some Fairlanes, but mostly XA > GT's of course. 4 was indeed the correct number of Phase IV's actually built, with three still surviving today. The fourth was totalled and wrecked for it's parts. All four were hand built at the Ford Special Vehicles workshop in Thomastown using regular GT's taken from the assembly line as donor cars, and all four carried the Ford Australia Sido number (3999 if I remember correctly).
After the program was stopped, the various parts that were stockpiled to use on the limited run of Phase IV Falcons were thrown directly onto the assembly line to be used in whatever Cleveland powered vehicle was being built at the time, and these parts found their way into Falcons, Fairlanes, LTD's and F series trucks without any consideration being given to preference.
A small number of parts, namely Holley Carburettors, camshafts and HM Headers, were set aside for use on the RP-083 option XA GT, but again no preference was given to exactly what each RP version GT actually got. Some got the carb, some got a cam, some got headers and some got the works. You couldn't order them with anything "extra" in particular, and some GT buyers got an RP-083 car without even knowing. The use of these parts on the RP GT's was totally dependent on what was in the parts bin at the time, and the primary purpose of fitting them was to get rid of them.
Incidentally, no 4 bolt Cleveland block was ever intended to be used in any Australian built Falcon GT, and none of the Phase IV's ever had one, despite the sometimes outlandish claims of a notable classic car collector.
Another point worth noting is that the "winged sumps" intended for use on the Phase IV were fabricated "in house" at the FSV workshop simply by splitting a Victa lawn mower fuel thank in half and welding the halves onto the sides of an otherwise standard oil pan :)
-- Regards, Noddy.
George W. Frost - 19 Jan 2005 11:34 GMT > > I've never heard of any more than the original 4 Phase 4's being > > built. There was componentry such as engines with the winged sump [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. It wasn't you who sold me the stockpiled stuff Noddy ?? carby, cam, alternator, starter..etc......................
Noddy - 19 Jan 2005 20:31 GMT > It wasn't you who sold me the stockpiled stuff Noddy ?? > carby, cam, alternator, starter..etc...................... Not unless it was some time ago.
I've wrecked a couple of GT's, but haven't had any stuff for quite a while.
-- Regards, Noddy.
George W. Frost - 19 Jan 2005 21:00 GMT > > It wasn't you who sold me the stockpiled stuff Noddy ?? > > carby, cam, alternator, starter..etc...................... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Regards, > Noddy. Talking 20 years ago and the stuff was direct from the stockpile at the factory
Noddy - 06 Feb 2005 21:59 GMT "George W. Frost" <frosty@iceworks.org> wrote in message news:CTzHd.124928$K7.8247@news-
> Talking 20 years ago and the stuff was direct from the stockpile at the > factory Definitely wasn't me then :)
-- Regards, Noddy.
Kieron - 20 Jan 2005 02:53 GMT >4 was indeed the correct number of Phase IV's actually built, with three >still surviving today. The fourth was totalled and wrecked for it's parts. IIRC, Bruce Hodgson was rallying it and wiped it out. He did keep the compliance plates, I assume with the intention of rebuilding it with a new shell but I never heard what happend to them.
Peter - 20 Jan 2005 04:41 GMT I thought out of 5 produced, at teh time or near abouts, the govt gave the 3 main companies the order not to produce high powered cars, so the XU-2, phase 4 and the RT charger were scrapped, that left 5 phase 4's. One was stolen and burnt out, one is still being used, owned by a plumber in N.S.W and is red, the other 3 have vanished, but some production vehicles made it thru the factory gates, that could have been classified at a GT.
Peter
George W. Frost - 20 Jan 2005 10:34 GMT > I thought out of 5 produced, at teh time or near abouts, the govt gave the > 3 main companies the order not to produce high powered cars, so the XU-2, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Peter Don't know that much about the stolen and burnt one, but there were only 4 phase VI's made fully assembled, one was supposedly wrapped around a tree on a rally and totalled, others will tell you that there were more and there should have been more as to compete at Bathurst, 200 had to come off the assembly to comply with the rules. They were all prepared to assemble them when the Government of the day did what you said, or so it was widely told, the true reason is not known, but if you read back, you will see what Noddy has said, the parts were shifted around the assembly line with some parts going into some cars and not others, a case of lucky dip. I got some of the parts that were meant for the phase 4's, they were bloody cheap by todays standards, but then, even through the back door, they had a really high price on the days standards
Kieron - 21 Jan 2005 01:19 GMT > I thought out of 5 produced, at teh time or near abouts, the govt gave the >3 main companies the order not to produce high powered cars, so the XU-2, >phase 4 and the RT charger were scrapped, that left 5 phase 4's. One was >stolen and burnt out, one is still being used, owned by a plumber in N.S.W >and is red, the other 3 have vanished, but some production vehicles made it >thru the factory gates, that could have been classified at a GT. 4 where built. 3 hand built for racing which where all red. Another was also built but to production line spec and painted green.
Bowden owns one of the race ones - http://www.fouronthefloor.com.au/garage/phase4.html
another race one was written off in a rally as previously mentioned.
The other two exist but the owners are guarded about them. IIRC, a Sydney dentist owns the green one.
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