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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Falcon / February 2005

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Wanted XA GT sedan

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Andrew P - 16 Jan 2005 01:21 GMT
Guys,
   i am after an XA GT sedan. Looking for a genuine matching numbers car,
any colour.

let me know if you know of any for sale

thanks
Andrew
Peter - 18 Jan 2005 10:28 GMT
They'll be a bit hard to find one mate, as the numbers decrease yearly. Plus
i dont think many were made, as for the phase 5 think only 2 or 3 exist, but
good luck

Peter
> Guys,
>     i am after an XA GT sedan. Looking for a genuine matching numbers car,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> thanks
> Andrew
George W. Frost - 18 Jan 2005 23:49 GMT
> They'll be a bit hard to find one mate, as the numbers decrease yearly. Plus
> i dont think many were made, as for the phase 5 think only 2 or 3 exist, but
> good luck

Plenty of XA GT's made
Never made a phase 5 XA
Phase 4 was the highest, purportedly 200 made but only 4 accounted for, 3
still in existance and one was written off smashed, There had to be 200 come
off the production line to enable them to race them at Bathurst, but nobody
is sure where the rest of the 200 went to, maybe to the police department as
pursuit cars, that is IF they were made.
There was a great stack of what was called junk in the shed at Ford
Broadmeadows which was destined for the phase 4 cars, but it went missing
bit by bit and was installed into private cars

There was a phase 5 XD private build I think,

Murray Carter built an XE which was called a phase 6
Hidiho - 19 Jan 2005 01:00 GMT
> There was a phase 5 XD private build I think,

Yeap, just bought a book off ebay with XD-E-F's and the XD phase 5 GTHO
is shown and manufactured by Phase Autos of Laverton, Melbourne..

Hidiho
Kieron - 19 Jan 2005 01:27 GMT
>> They'll be a bit hard to find one mate, as the numbers decrease yearly.
>Plus
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>Broadmeadows which was destined for the phase 4 cars, but it went missing
>bit by bit and was installed into private cars

I've never heard of any more than the original 4 Phase 4's being
built. There was componentry such as engines with the winged sump
floating around, but they made there way to various V8 Fords from
memory. I believe you could find the in some Fairlanes, but mostly XA
GT's of course.

>There was a phase 5 XD private build I think,
>
>Murray Carter built an XE which was called a phase 6

Murray Carter wa sinvolved in the homolgatin of the Phase 5 body kit
for the XD.
Noddy - 19 Jan 2005 04:59 GMT
> I've never heard of any more than the original 4 Phase 4's being
> built. There was componentry such as engines with the winged sump
> floating around, but they made there way to various V8 Fords from
> memory. I believe you could find the in some Fairlanes, but mostly XA
> GT's of course.

4 was indeed the correct number of Phase IV's actually built, with three
still surviving today. The fourth was totalled and wrecked for it's parts.
All four were hand built at the Ford Special Vehicles workshop in Thomastown
using regular GT's taken from the assembly line as donor cars, and all four
carried the Ford Australia Sido number (3999 if I remember correctly).

After the program was stopped, the various parts that were stockpiled to use
on the limited run of Phase IV Falcons were thrown directly onto the
assembly line to be used in whatever Cleveland powered vehicle was being
built at the time, and these parts found their way into Falcons, Fairlanes,
LTD's and F series trucks without any consideration being given to
preference.

A small number of parts, namely Holley Carburettors, camshafts and HM
Headers, were set aside for use on the RP-083 option XA GT, but again no
preference was given to exactly what each RP version GT actually got. Some
got the carb, some got a cam, some got headers and some got the works. You
couldn't order them with anything "extra" in particular, and some GT buyers
got an RP-083 car without even knowing. The use of these parts on the RP
GT's was totally dependent on what was in the parts bin at the time, and the
primary purpose of fitting them was to get rid of them.

Incidentally, no 4 bolt Cleveland block was ever intended to be used in any
Australian built Falcon GT, and none of the Phase IV's ever had one, despite
the sometimes outlandish claims of a notable classic car collector.

Another point worth noting is that the "winged sumps" intended for use on
the Phase IV were fabricated "in house" at the FSV workshop simply by
splitting a Victa lawn mower fuel thank in half and welding the halves onto
the sides of an otherwise standard oil pan :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.
George W. Frost - 19 Jan 2005 11:34 GMT
> > I've never heard of any more than the original 4 Phase 4's being
> > built. There was componentry such as engines with the winged sump
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> Regards,
> Noddy.

It wasn't you who sold me the stockpiled stuff  Noddy ??
carby, cam, alternator, starter..etc......................
Noddy - 19 Jan 2005 20:31 GMT
> It wasn't you who sold me the stockpiled stuff  Noddy ??
> carby, cam, alternator, starter..etc......................

Not unless it was some time ago.

I've wrecked a couple of GT's, but haven't had any stuff for quite a while.

--
Regards,
Noddy.
George W. Frost - 19 Jan 2005 21:00 GMT
> > It wasn't you who sold me the stockpiled stuff  Noddy ??
> > carby, cam, alternator, starter..etc......................
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Regards,
> Noddy.

Talking 20 years ago and the stuff was direct from the stockpile at the
factory
Noddy - 06 Feb 2005 21:59 GMT
"George W. Frost" <frosty@iceworks.org> wrote in message
news:CTzHd.124928$K7.8247@news-

> Talking 20 years ago and the stuff was direct from the stockpile at the
> factory

Definitely wasn't me then :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.
Kieron - 20 Jan 2005 02:53 GMT
>4 was indeed the correct number of Phase IV's actually built, with three
>still surviving today. The fourth was totalled and wrecked for it's parts.

IIRC, Bruce Hodgson was rallying it and wiped it out. He did keep the
compliance plates, I assume with the intention of rebuilding it with a
new shell but I never heard what happend to them.
Peter - 20 Jan 2005 04:41 GMT
 I thought out of 5 produced, at teh time or near abouts, the govt gave the
3 main companies the order not to produce high powered cars, so the XU-2,
phase 4 and the RT charger were scrapped, that left 5 phase 4's. One was
stolen and burnt out, one is still being used, owned by a plumber in N.S.W
and is red, the other 3 have vanished, but some production vehicles made it
thru the factory gates, that could have been classified at a GT.

 Peter
George W. Frost - 20 Jan 2005 10:34 GMT
>   I thought out of 5 produced, at teh time or near abouts, the govt gave the
> 3 main companies the order not to produce high powered cars, so the XU-2,
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>   Peter

Don't know that much about the stolen and burnt one, but there were only 4
phase VI's made fully assembled, one was supposedly wrapped around a tree on
a rally and totalled, others will tell you that there were more and there
should have been more as to compete at Bathurst,  200 had to come off the
assembly to comply with the rules.
They were all prepared to assemble them when the Government of the day did
what you said, or so it was widely told, the true reason is not known, but
if you read back, you will see what Noddy has said, the parts were shifted
around the assembly line with some parts going into some cars and not
others, a case of lucky dip.
I got some of the parts that were meant for the phase 4's, they were bloody
cheap by todays standards, but then, even through the back door, they had a
really high price on the days standards
Kieron - 21 Jan 2005 01:19 GMT
>  I thought out of 5 produced, at teh time or near abouts, the govt gave the
>3 main companies the order not to produce high powered cars, so the XU-2,
>phase 4 and the RT charger were scrapped, that left 5 phase 4's. One was
>stolen and burnt out, one is still being used, owned by a plumber in N.S.W
>and is red, the other 3 have vanished, but some production vehicles made it
>thru the factory gates, that could have been classified at a GT.

4 where built. 3 hand built for racing which where all red. Another
was also built but to production line spec and painted green.

Bowden owns one of the race ones -
http://www.fouronthefloor.com.au/garage/phase4.html

another race one was written off in a rally as previously mentioned.

The other two exist but the owners are guarded about them. IIRC, a
Sydney dentist owns the green one.
 
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