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AU FALCON MOD QUESTION

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sfrrob - 27 Feb 2005 23:05 GMT
I have a 4L 6 cyl  AU I falcon...
I am stuck with it for a while and i am sick of it...
Anyway i am thinking of doing some stuff under the bonnet to give it a
bit more grunt...

Any suggestions the other thing... which is a negative is that this
thing is on GAS....

So if you could please let me know what the best options are.... LET
ME KNOW!
( i am going to get some new rims and lower the thing soon, then get a
new kit on it.
But before the Exterior stuff i want to Get the engine going good
before i do that. )

also if possible could you please give me a rough idea on how much the
mods would cost that would be ace!
thanks
Rob
sfrrob - 27 Feb 2005 23:05 GMT
HEY SORRY!.......

Another curly one for ya..

OK i have been thinking about gettin a new grill for my au I.
Its plain ugly to be honest! is it possible to get a grill that looks
meshy.. sort of like the xr6 - 8 style ones and whack it on to the AU
I ?
JT - 07 Apr 2005 09:15 GMT
Try taking the grill out and spray painting it black. Very cheap solution
and gives a bit more life to the image. (Black is the colour it was supposed
to be from the start but the marketing guys got spooked just before it came
on the market and they decided to put the futura grill on the forte. poor
decision IMHO.)

John

> HEY SORRY!.......
>
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> meshy.. sort of like the xr6 - 8 style ones and whack it on to the AU
> I ?
mrwinky - 08 Apr 2005 04:14 GMT
> Try taking the grill out and spray painting it black. Very
> cheap solution
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> to the AU
> > I ?

First of all i recon convert taht thing to pure LPG, should be easy as
everything is there for lpg to work. Dun ask me how lol. 100% is alot
better than dual fuel, more power as the tunnin is for LPG not a
mixture, better performance and economy. I should know i have an AU 1
forte on 100% LPG. And have had pass experience with dual fuel cars...
shockin, cant start properly, black smoke loss of power/no power list
goes on, convert it now.
atec - 08 Apr 2005 05:21 GMT
> First of all i recon convert taht thing to pure LPG, should be easy as
> everything is there for lpg to work. Dun ask me how lol. 100% is alot
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> shockin, cant start properly, black smoke loss of power/no power list
> goes on, convert it now.

Is English you're native tongue ?
mrwinky - 08 Apr 2005 06:46 GMT
> > First of all i recon convert taht thing to pure LPG, should
> be easy as
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> >
> Is English you're native tongue ?

heh, neva was good at english, but i do believe he should swap to 100%
LPG he will notice a big difference
Noddy - 08 Apr 2005 23:49 GMT
> Is English you're native tongue ?

Jesus, that's a classic coming from you :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.
atec - 09 Apr 2005 05:32 GMT
>>Is English you're native tongue ?
>
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> Regards,
> Noddy.

why ?
 Im not a native English speaker.. and you are still on the drugs I see.
Vincent - 09 Apr 2005 13:04 GMT
>>>Is English you're native tongue ?
>>
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> why ?
>  Im not a native English speaker.. and you are still on the drugs I see.

why comment on something you know f.ck all about ??
atec - 09 Apr 2005 15:07 GMT
>>>>Is English you're native tongue ?
>>>
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>
> why comment on something you know f.ck all about ??

Thats an asuumption on your part , how do you know otherwise .
Vincent - 10 Apr 2005 01:08 GMT
>>>>>Is English you're native tongue ?
>>>>
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>> why comment on something you know f.ck all about ??
> Thats an asuumption on your part , how do you know otherwise .

I heard stories about you and some other boy in the toilets at school
atec - 10 Apr 2005 01:48 GMT
>>>>>>Is English you're native tongue ?
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> I heard stories about you and some other boy in the toilets at school

I supose you are going to try some other school yard ploy now ?
 as for stories thats like claiming you are NOT homosexual...
Noddy - 10 Apr 2005 02:09 GMT
> why ?
>  Im not a native English speaker.. and you are still on the drugs I see.

You're from New Zealand aren't you?

English is one of the national languages over there.....

--
Regards,
Noddy.
atec - 10 Apr 2005 04:26 GMT
>>why ?
>> Im not a native English speaker.. and you are still on the drugs I see.
>
> You're from New Zealand aren't you?
 sho9w how little attention you pay...

> English is one of the national languages over there.....
 but not where I'm from .... lived and from are different and as you
know my spoken is just fine .

> --
> Regards,
> Noddy.
col - 10 Apr 2005 13:43 GMT
hey dont flame me for this but....
isnt all this childish, imature and nothing to do with the greatest car made
the "Falcon"
could we all please grow up and drop this tit for tat bull sh.t

col

>>>why ?
>>> Im not a native English speaker.. and you are still on the drugs I see.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> Regards,
>> Noddy.
Noddy - 10 Apr 2005 22:24 GMT
> hey dont flame me for this but....
> isnt all this childish, imature and nothing to do with the greatest car
> made the "Falcon"
> could we all please grow up and drop this tit for tat bull sh.t

You're calling the Falcon the greatest car made, and you want *us* to grow
up? :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.
atec - 11 Apr 2005 02:14 GMT
>>hey dont flame me for this but....
>>isnt all this childish, imature and nothing to do with the greatest car
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> Regards,
> Noddy.

Well you really should give it consideration shortstuff .
Noddy - 11 Apr 2005 09:12 GMT
> Well you really should give it consideration shortstuff .

I have, and I don't think the Falcon even comes close to the "greatest car
made".

--
Regards,
Noddy.
atec - 11 Apr 2005 09:59 GMT
>>Well you really should give it consideration shortstuff .
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Regards,
> Noddy.

not my claim ,
col - 11 Apr 2005 17:38 GMT
yes its great that in our free country we can all have opinions......but
then we also have to listen people playing out a battle of wits UNARMED!
can we close this off and help the originator that is of course after you
have the last word noddy (then hopefully you will stick to giving good
advise)

col

>> Well you really should give it consideration shortstuff .
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Regards,
> Noddy.
gb - 11 Apr 2005 23:38 GMT
An answer thats on track;
Painting the grille is one option, there are several replacement grilles
"out there" for AU's.
Which grille is in your AU?
I have a "Classic", which tongue-in-cheek I can say is one of the classic
cars of time.
To improve the looks of my AU1 I have replaced springs with XR spec' springs
and replaced wheels with later and larger XR wheels.
I'm also still looking for another grille, I would like an XR style
bar-grille that would be a bolt-in replacement but I haven't found anything
like that YET.

GB

> > Try taking the grill out and spray painting it black. Very
> > cheap solution
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> >
> > John
Ziggy Switkowski - 28 Feb 2005 11:15 GMT
is it duel fuel or dedicated LPG ?

>I have a 4L 6 cyl  AU I falcon...
> I am stuck with it for a while and i am sick of it...
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> thanks
> Rob
Noddy - 28 Feb 2005 21:41 GMT
>I have a 4L 6 cyl  AU I falcon...
> I am stuck with it for a while and i am sick of it...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Any suggestions the other thing... which is a negative is that this
> thing is on GAS....

Why is gas a negative?

You can do plenty to any engine, but it all depends on how much money you
wish to throw at the thing. The short answer here is that there is no
magical power increase for 20 bucks.

If your budget is limited, a Crow Cams cam & header package will give you
around 25kw at the wheels, and set you back around 1200 bucks. If your
budget is *unlimited*, a turbo or supercharger will work wonders :)

--
Regards,
Noddy.
Damage - 01 Mar 2005 03:57 GMT
> >I have a 4L 6 cyl  AU I falcon...
> > I am stuck with it for a while and i am sick of it...
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Regards,
> Noddy.

Noddy is right, there is no $20 performance increase.

There is a few minor cheap performance mods;
start with upgrading the cold air snorkel to a Tickford one, these are
cheap, ring around as you can pick them up new for under $30 from some
places.

Replace the paper panel filter with a cotton filter like KN air
filter.

Now it gets dearer;

2.5" Sports exhaust, from cat back, unless the catalytic converter is
stuffed just get the openings widened to 2.5", they flow well
standard.

Headers, vary in price, JMM and Pacemaker seem to be the ones to get.

Aftermarket cam, you can get a Wade regrind with shims cheap.

Don?t worry about ECU chips etc, unless you go full house mods, the
EECV ecu is pretty advanced and can adapt, just check Jim Mocks
website to see that 170RWKW can be achieved without touching the ECU.

And if you want one company to do the lot, get in contact with Jim
Mock Motorsport http://www.jimmockmotorsport.com/ , check out what
they can do, there is others but I haven?t seen as good results.

Check Australian Ford type websites and forums for modification ideas.

Reason I am saying this is because there is currently forum sections
just devoted to Australian Ford I6.

PS. What is wrong with LPG!!!
sfrrob - 01 Mar 2005 16:30 GMT
> Noddy is right, there is no $20 performance increase.
>
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>
> PS. What is wrong with LPG!!!

hey thanks fellas!
the car is DUEL FUEL.
ok i will give you my reasons for LPG being crap.....

Since i have had it installed i have had probs with tranny, tuning
probs, stupid thing back firing and blowing my air filter box right
off! hehe   got that problem sorted out... umm not much power,
comparing to petrol.

I also had another problem the coil pack Sh*t it?s self not long ago
but had a mate bang another one in for $50, which i thought was good..

ANY WAY.. i aint up to speed with all the possible mod slang, heard
heaps and heaps about the CATback exhaust.. now can somene explain to
me what it is...
My budget is pretty big, as i was planning on buying an BA xr6t
but.... dont really see the point when i got a perfectly good AU at
the moment that wil be a prick to sell anyway!.........

So say if i went down to JEFFO ford ( used to work there as a courier)
and asked for a tickford air intake thing. Say pay roung $30 and does
it bang straight on... do i have to buy a new perf air filter from
somewhere?

sorry if i have been blabbing on!

thanks alot again guys!
appreciate your help!
PEACE
Rob
Damage - 01 Mar 2005 16:32 GMT
> hey thanks fellas!
> the car is DUEL FUEL.
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> PEACE
> Rob

There shouldn?t be that big a difference in power between ULP and LPG,
the reason most LPG vehicles produce lower power is because gas has
lower BTU (British Thermal Units = energy per volume etc), but gas has
a higher octane rating than PULP, so to get power out of LPG you
require slightly higher compression ratio (Australia gas quality
limits this) and altered timing to suit, normally more initial timing
and less total than what is required for petrol.

You ECU can not adjust to these settings from the factory, and you
don?t want this for petrol because it would only cause the engine to
ping.

Back firing is normally caused by lean mixture and a combination of
leads (most common), plugs and maybe coil. As you will most likely run
LPG more often because of price you are better to replace plugs with
plugs one or two heat ranges cooler, replace leads with the best leads
you can find (Genuine Ford are crap for lasting, I used to work in a
few dealerships), ask around and don?t just believe the first sales
person etc.

Sounds like you AU needs a good LPG tune, the stepper motor between
the converter and mixer is for economy, it works in close loop, it
doesn?t do much for power or idle etc, the rest needs to be adjusted
and many fitters etc stuff it up (including me   )

CAT back exhaust is exactly that, a new exhaust fitted after the
catalytic converter, the converter is normally an expensive item so it
is seldom replaced, but the AU converter flows well and shouldn?t be
replaced unless it is damaged etc.

If you ask for a AU Tick ford snorkel it will fit straight on (slight
mods to fit one to a E series etc), remove the two screws from the top
of the old one, pull the snorkel towards the other side of the car and
do the reverse to fit the new one.

Out of interest, is it a sedan or wagon.

Have I missed something, I am not the best for info on I6, there is
far better than me for this info, I just worked on them for years, my
interest is in Windsor V8s etc.
Noddy - 01 Mar 2005 20:09 GMT
"sfrrob" <UseLinkToEmail@New & Used Cars Forums - AutoForumz.com> wrote in
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> Since i have had it installed i have had probs with tranny, tuning
> probs, stupid thing back firing and blowing my air filter box right
> off! hehe   got that problem sorted out... umm not much power,
> comparing to petrol.

Look for another installer.

I've had lpg powered vehicles for over 25 years, and the performance
difference between gas & petrol should be barely noticable if it's set up
correctly. Backfiring on lpg is a rare problem on Fords, and I'd be checking
your car's ignition system very carefully...

> ANY WAY.. i aint up to speed with all the possible mod slang, heard
> heaps and heaps about the CATback exhaust.. now can somene explain to
> me what it is...

A "catback" exhaust simply means changing the exhaust system for a more
"free flowing" one from the catalytic converter back. This is a *very* low
power mod, to the point that you'd barely notice a difference, as the
biggest changes to be had from exhaust systems are in the front half.

A Catback will probably change the exhaust note, and not much more.

> My budget is pretty big, as i was planning on buying an BA xr6t
> but.... dont really see the point when i got a perfectly good AU at
> the moment that wil be a prick to sell anyway!.........

Well, if you've got that sort of money, put a supercharger or turbo on it.

No other single mod will give you anywhere near the same level of
performance.

> So say if i went down to JEFFO ford ( used to work there as a courier)
> and asked for a tickford air intake thing. Say pay roung $30 and does
> it bang straight on... do i have to buy a new perf air filter from
> somewhere?

Not as far as I'm aware.

All you're talking about here is a slightly larger than stock air intake
"snorkel" that bolts onto the air filter box in place of your standard one,
and it's doubtful that you'd notice any difference in performance by just
doing that alone.

--
Regards,
Noddy.

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