Hi all, i'm kind of looking for some help , i brought a 92 EB 3 weeks
ago, and did a lot of running around in the city before i came home. It
was raining for the 600kms drive and i lost power in the car and it
refused to start.
We first thought that it was simply water in the dizzy, but have blowen
it out with air, left it to air and put it back on and still no start,
it's been turning like it normally would, but just wont start , if that
makes sence.
We have also checked the spark plugs and leads, air blowen the relays
near the battery and
what i'm asking is does anyone have any idea what may be causing this ?
Dh is a good backyard machanic.. so long as the car is OLDer lol.
Reggy - 05 Jan 2006 12:45 GMT
> Hi all, i'm kind of looking for some help , i brought a 92 EB 3 weeks
> ago, and did a lot of running around in the city before i came home. It
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> Dh is a good backyard machanic.. so long as the car is OLDer lol.
check at the radiator if the fans spin for a moment when ignition is
activated , if not then replace the main power relay . ( the fuel pump
should then work ok as well.)
aussieblu - 06 Jan 2006 00:31 GMT
The fans will only spin if the are electric thermo fans not the
mechanical clutch fans originally fitted to EBs

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Kieron - 06 Jan 2006 01:08 GMT
>Hi all, i'm kind of looking for some help , i brought a 92 EB 3 weeks
>ago, and did a lot of running around in the city before i came home. It
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>what i'm asking is does anyone have any idea what may be causing this ?
Commn problem with them is the ignition module on the side of the
dizzy failing.
Have you checked for spark at the end of the plug leads?
Reggy - 06 Jan 2006 03:23 GMT
>>Hi all, i'm kind of looking for some help , i brought a 92 EB 3 weeks
>>ago, and did a lot of running around in the city before i came home. It
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> Have you checked for spark at the end of the plug leads?
could be , then you can buy an aftermarket dizzy for slightly more than
the moduale from ford however I would be checking the fual pump and
thermo fans as I suggested because this is a common failure of the main
power relay ..
aussieblu - 06 Jan 2006 04:30 GMT
Try swapping the fuel pump relay with one of the others. Also
how long since the fuel filter was changed?

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Niz - 06 Jan 2006 05:35 GMT
okay 3 try let see if it shows up this time.
well there is spark coming from the leads.. but not a lot.. put a diff
lead and that on still same thing.
so we replaced the coil, as we were lead to belive that this was the
problem from talking to close mach friend.
well Coil ISNT the problem, as we have got the same thing now as we did
yesterday.. nothing zip nada.
we've been ringing around here to see if we can get a dizzy here.. were
not city like so may take a few days to get hold of one.
aussie, we have only JUST brought the car.. it's like 3 weeks old.. so
we havent carried out any repairs to it ourselfs, apart form the ones
we are doing atm to try and get it running.
not sure if it's the same with this sort of car, but a clogged fuel
filter would give you trouble in general running?.. didnt have a prob
with it until it just died on the drive home. it wasnt running ruff or
anything prior to dying.
Reggy - 06 Jan 2006 07:38 GMT
> okay 3 try let see if it shows up this time.
>
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> with it until it just died on the drive home. it wasnt running ruff or
> anything prior to dying.
Try one listening at the fuel tank and turn the ignition on , the pump
should run for about 5 or 6 seconds then stop , if this doesnt happens
its a relay
Niz - 06 Jan 2006 04:32 GMT
okay well.. lastnight after some bright spark searching on the internet
we found that if the coil got wet could still spark but not in where it
goes. so off we went and brought a new coil.. still wont start.
there is spark at the end of the leads..but even after changing the
coil the spark isnt real huge. we did put a different lead and plug on
the car to also check to ensure it wasnt the plugs and leads.. but got
the same thing.
it's not a thermo fan.
i was told about the module lastnight by my dad, but the person he was
quoting was saying it was on the coil.. but it's on the dizzy.. maybe
thats why Dh couldnt find it lol.
Reggy - 06 Jan 2006 11:09 GMT
> okay well.. lastnight after some bright spark searching on the internet
> we found that if the coil got wet could still spark but not in where it
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> quoting was saying it was on the coil.. but it's on the dizzy.. maybe
> thats why Dh couldnt find it lol.
if you have spark then I doubt its the module
most everything on the car is relay driven , when you turn the key he
main power relay energises the fuel pump and primes the fuel system and
injectors , on later models it also spins the thermo fans , so are you
sure its getting fuel at the injectors ?
try clamping the fuel return line if you are as it may have a failed
return pressure regulator which allows cranking but wont start .
Niz - 06 Jan 2006 04:43 GMT
> Hi all, i'm kind of looking for some help , i brought a 92 EB 3 weeks
> ago, and did a lot of running around in the city before i came home. It
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> Dh is a good backyard machanic.. so long as the car is OLDer lol.
okay first reply went missing lol.
we were lead to belive by a freind that it was the coil, replaced
coil.. and still not starting.
we were told about the module lastnight, but was lead to belive it was
on the coil.. dh couldnt find it.. no wonder because it sounds like
it's on the dizzy.
the fan isnt thermo.. and dh is having problems locating the fuel pump.
OMG now we sound a bit sad... honestly we do know what were doing to a
extent.. our latest model car was from the 80s a few things have
changed on the cars since that year lol
Reggy - 06 Jan 2006 11:10 GMT
>>Hi all, i'm kind of looking for some help , i brought a 92 EB 3 weeks
>>ago, and did a lot of running around in the city before i came home. It
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> extent.. our latest model car was from the 80s a few things have
> changed on the cars since that year lol
open the boot and remove the spare , that should expose the fual lines
and the pump will be under the tank top , if its running then turning
the ignition on will illicit a wwrrr noise from it . ( last about 4
seconds )
aussieblu - 07 Jan 2006 10:18 GMT
To locate and test the ignition module see
http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/TFI_Diagnostic.html
(while this is a US site the module specs and resistances are
identical on your car.

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aussieblu - 07 Jan 2006 10:24 GMT
PS the modules can be very susceptible to water ingress. Unplug
and clean with a electrical contact cleaner lubricant spray
(Jaycar, Altronics or Dick Smith) then apply heatsink paste to
the plug (Unick in a tube from Jaycar, Altronics or Dick Smith).
While you are at in use the contact cleaner lubricant on all the
relays in front of the plastic coolant recovery tank Unplug and
spray the contacts on each one).

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aussieblu - 07 Jan 2006 10:27 GMT
Also try and chase the spark from the coil to the plugs. Test
the coil by using a noid light (cheap test lights use to test
fuel injectors). Fit the noid light to the coil lead and see if
it flashes when you turn the engine over. Then put and old spark
plug with the gap opened slightly at the distributor end of the
HT lead that comes from the coil and see if it flashes when you
turn the engine over. Then do the same at the plug ends of the
HT leads. See at what point the spark at the plug weakens. If
the noid light flash is weak also check for a loose plug in the
wiring loom or water in a loom plug.

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aussieblu - 07 Jan 2006 10:40 GMT
Also use the noid light to test that each injector is getting an
electrical pulse (unlikely but possible cause).

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aussieblu - 07 Jan 2006 10:45 GMT
The self diagnosis feature of the car may even be able to tell
you what is wrong. See
http://www.corral.net/tech/maintenance/eecivtest.html and
http://www.ford-tech.com/articles.php?articleId=32

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aussieblu - 07 Jan 2006 10:54 GMT
Also see
http://www.turbotbird.com/techinfo/In_Car_Codes/In-CarCodes.htm

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Niz - 11 Jan 2006 01:55 GMT
thankyou all for your invaluable help.
we have FINALLY fixed the problem.
was a loose wire in the fuel pump. all i can say is the car got a good
service for the wire lol.
thankyou all for you help.. without it we would probrobly still be
looking at it wondering what the was wrong with it.
. - 13 Jan 2006 12:35 GMT
Hello, Niz!
go to www.fordforums.com.au for your answer
N> what i'm asking is does anyone have any idea what may be causing this ?
With best regards, .. E-mail: lyonsbuckley@optusnet.com.au