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How can I disable the ABS brakes on my EB Falcon? I'm sick to death of hitting small bumps in the road (or twigs) under braking and almost rolling on into the car in front. It's only a matter of time before I roll into another car. Any help would be appreciated. Regards John On 24/9/03 1:21 AM, in article 3f706319$0$20475$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au, "John" <knight_js.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote: > How can I disable the ABS brakes on my EB Falcon? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > John Have you considered using the 2 second rule? I hear it increases your safety margin. Yours in Christ, Serialpest. If you are an extremely experienced driver, you can brake slightly better than the ABS brakes BUT there are only a very few race drivers can do it and even fewer non-race drivers. The ABS is a good system for the masses and provided optimum braking under most conditions and also retains steering under heavy braking. ABS does have its limitations in gravel only. If you disconnect the ABS and you have a brake related accident, I think that you will find that you have insurance company problems. As suggested before, drive to the 2 second rule and look way ahead by more than a couple of car lengths to see what is going on and you will not have to use the ABS function. By looking way ahead and scanning from the horizon to close up frequently, you will see problems ahead that will give you time to do something about without emergency braking.  SignatureSteve Subritzky Bribie Island Queensland Australia 2001 V6 Landrover Freelander 2000 Landcruiser 78 series pop-top camper Web site http://steveandchris.netfirms.com > On 24/9/03 1:21 AM, in article > 3f706319$0$20475$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au, "John" [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Yours in Christ, > Serialpest. ABS is general is probably great. We had a hire car in the USA with ABS and it was sensational. But the system fitted to the EB Falcon is an absolute piece of garbage. When you hit the smallest bump in the road (or a twig) while breaking even modestly hard, the ABS releases ALL wheels, the brake pedal sinks towards the floor, and the car races forward. It takes a long time for it to "reapply" braking, by which time you have already paniced and pressed the pedal deeper toward the floor. If you are going fast enough the cycle repeats itself... The ABS we had on the hire car in the USA pulsated the brakes on/off very very rapidly. This system was excellent. > If you are an extremely experienced driver, you can brake slightly better > than the ABS brakes BUT there are only a very few race drivers can do it and [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Yours in Christ, > > Serialpest. > ABS is general is probably great. We had a hire car in the USA with ABS and > it was sensational. But the system fitted to the EB Falcon is an absolute [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > pressed the pedal deeper toward the floor. If you are going fast enough the > cycle repeats itself... Sounds like you have a problem with your brakes that needs looking at, the amount of time that the ABS "releases" the brakes should only be long enough to prevent lockup, not long enough for the car to "race forward". Disabling the ABS may be a simple as removing a fuse but I would only do this as a temporary measure. Daryl > > ABS is general is probably great. We had a hire car in the USA with ABS and > > it was sensational. But the system fitted to the EB Falcon is an absolute [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Daryl Ok. Thanks Daryl. "John" <knight_js.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message > ABS is general is probably great. We had a hire car in the USA with ABS and > it was sensational. But the system fitted to the EB Falcon is an absolute [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > pressed the pedal deeper toward the floor. If you are going fast enough the > cycle repeats itself... Definitely something wrong. My bro-in-law has an EB XR6 and it certainly doesn't do that! Get it looked at before you have an accident. > The ABS we had on the hire car in the USA pulsated the brakes on/off very > very rapidly. This system was excellent. As are most ABS systems. > "John" <knight_js.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > As are most ABS systems. Okay. That's interesting. I will get Ford to check it. I've read other posts of people complaining of similar behaviour to mine, so maybe it's a common problem. > > "John" <knight_js.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > of people complaining of similar behaviour to mine, so maybe it's a common > problem. Probably because the ABS system on the Falcon is a complete piece of sh.t if it can cause that sort of behaviour on the road. That could never happen on a Commodore or any other vehicle that has a proper ABS implementation, ever. Regards, Clockmeister. > > > "John" <knight_js.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Clockmeister. I agree "Clockmeister" <no-one@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:3f730517$0$95044 > Probably because the ABS system on the Falcon is a complete piece of sh.t if > it can cause that sort of behaviour on the road. Agreed. The Falcon's ABS has never been great, but it does sound like this one's got problems. I'd be getting it looked at if I owned it. Regards, Noddy. > Probably because the ABS system on the Falcon is a complete piece of sh.t if > it can cause that sort of behaviour on the road. > > That could never happen on a Commodore or any other vehicle that has a > proper ABS implementation, ever. It wouldn't happen on a Commodore because you wouldn't be silly enough to bother with the brake pedal because you would know that it does stuff all except feel like you have put your foot into a bucket of sh.t:-) I've driven most model Commodores and the only one whose brakes don't feel very dodgy is my mates VX Acclaim. Daryl "D Walford" <walfordns@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message > > Probably because the ABS system on the Falcon is a complete piece of sh.t if > > it can cause that sort of behaviour on the road. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I've driven most model Commodores and the only one whose brakes don't > feel very dodgy is my mates VX Acclaim. But most people don't notice because they don't have a point of reference. I never thought Commy brakes were that bad until I got the Vectra. > > It wouldn't happen on a Commodore because you wouldn't be silly enough > > to bother with the brake pedal because you would know that it does stuff [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > But most people don't notice because they don't have a point of reference. > I never thought Commy brakes were that bad until I got the Vectra. My first experience driving a VT was on the day they were released for sale. It was a V8 Berlina and as it was a GMH owned car it was "tested" properly despite only having 200klms on the odo. At the first serious braking test the pedal went straight to the floor, the car stood on its nose and stopped OK but a pedal that goes to the floor does not inspire confidence. My VK always suffered excessive pedal travel and Holden's technical people said that it was normal and nothing can be done to fix it. VX seems to be OK, it only took them 20+yrs to fix the problem of poor pedal feel. Daryl > It was a V8 Berlina and as it was a GMH owned car it was "tested" > properly despite only having 200klms on the odo. > At the first serious braking test the pedal went straight to the floor, > the car stood on its nose and stopped OK but a pedal that goes to the > floor does not inspire confidence. Not a nice feeling isn't it. I remember driving an old Datsun E20 van. Oh yeah a steepish hill im gonna go down i'll apply some of the brakes hmmm sink sink getting faster by the second. I just kept calm at the same time and used the gears and the hand brake to slow down. Finally got to a stop and got the hell out of the van. :-) > > Probably because the ABS system on the Falcon is a complete piece of sh.t if > > it can cause that sort of behaviour on the road. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I've driven most model Commodores and the only one whose brakes don't > feel very dodgy is my mates VX Acclaim. Standing still, yes the pedal feels soft but on the road where it counts the stopping power is good. Falcon brakes have always been shoddy. Regards, Clockmeister. > Standing still, yes the pedal feels soft but on the road where it counts the > stopping power is good. > > Falcon brakes have always been shoddy. Please define "shoddy". Of the Falcons I've owned (3) or had as company cars (10) the only one that had sub standard brakes was a 1969 XW with drums all round. No problems with stopping or servicablity. I've only owned one Commodore (VK) and the brakes were hopeless. Daryl ... >>Falcon brakes have always been shoddy. ... > Please define "shoddy". > Of the Falcons I've owned (3) or had as company > cars (10) the only one that had sub standard > brakes was a 1969 XW with drums all round. > No problems with stopping or servicablity. ... He could be referring to feel; with The Parents overseas, I'm borrowing their cars in rotation & leaving the Volvo at their place. Dad's ED's brakes have always felt realy "blearch" compared to the 12-years-older Volvo & the Liberty; I'm pretty sure in the front of my mind that they're going to pull me up as desired & required, but they still feel unsettlingly firm & unresponsive. Signature-- Forg! -DUH#6=- (Y1) "... this crazy Forg surrounds me ..." [Live - "When Dolphins Cry"] > ... > >>Falcon brakes have always been shoddy. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > they're going to pull me up as desired & required, but they > still feel unsettlingly firm & unresponsive. I recall the days that GM 'redesigned' the braking system of their Holdens. Can't remember the model, but they blathered on for ages about it. And the redesign? Getting the brake pedal somewhere close to the height of the accelerator. as if it was some new and revolutionary feature. I guess it was, if you believed, like they had for ages, they it was OK to lift your foot 100 MM from throttle idle position before you could move it across to get to the brake pedal. Idiots. I wonder if Ford is still featuring that with their F series trucks? SignatureToby quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur In aus.cars Toby Ponsenby <lord_ponsenby@operamail.com> wrote: > I recall the days that GM 'redesigned' the braking system of their Holdens. > Can't remember the model, but they blathered on for ages about it. > And the redesign? > Getting the brake pedal somewhere close to the height of the accelerator. > as if it was some new and revolutionary feature. That'd be the HK/HT/HG. The low pedal option was only available on drum brakes with a booster. There was a bracket between the firewall and the booster with a pivot shaft. The pedal pushrod pushed on a lever on the shaft and the pushrod into the booster was on a different length lever. The disc brake booster was different, having the high pedal, a different mounting bracket and a pushrod direct from the pedal into the booster. SignatureAthol <http://cust.idl.com.au/athol> Linux Registered User # 254000 I'm a Libran Engineer. I don't argue, I discuss. > He could be referring to feel; with The Parents overseas, > I'm borrowing their cars in rotation & leaving the Volvo at > their place. So they'll come back to find property values in the street down 25%? :) SignatureJohn McKenzie tosspam@aol.com abuse@aol.com abuse@yahoo.com abuse@hotmail.com abuse@msn.com abuse@sprint.com abuse@earthlink.com fraudinfo@psinet.com sweep.day@accc.gov.au uce@ftc.gov admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com president@whitehouse.gov vice.president@whitehouse.gov abuse@iprimus.com.au abuse@cia.gov abuse@fbi.gov abuse@asio.gov.au abuse@federalpolice.gov.au ... >> He could be referring to feel; with The Parents >> overseas, I'm borrowing their cars in rotation >> & leaving the Volvo at their place. ... > So they'll come back to find property values in > the street down 25%? :) ... It's quite a nice street ... you've cottoned onto my little real-estate investment plan ... [Now, dammit, why couldn't it be hot this weekend so I can enjoy the fact of driving a car with A/C?!] Signature-- Forg! -DUH#6=- (Y1) "... this crazy Forg surrounds me ..." [Live - "When Dolphins Cry"] > ... > >>Falcon brakes have always been shoddy. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > they're going to pull me up as desired & required, but they > still feel unsettlingly firm & unresponsive. Maybe its a question of choice but I've always prefered the firm pedal feel of the Falcon to the mushy feel of the Commodore. Daryl >Probably because the ABS system on the Falcon is a complete piece of sh.t if >it can cause that sort of behaviour on the road. > >That could never happen on a Commodore or any other vehicle that has a >proper ABS implementation, ever. LOL > >Probably because the ABS system on the Falcon is a complete piece of sh.t if > >it can cause that sort of behaviour on the road. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > LOL ? >> >Probably because the ABS system on the Falcon is a complete piece of sh.t >if [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >? thought you where talking tongue in cheek and making a typical cap backwards VL driving Holden fan statement :) > >> >Probably because the ABS system on the Falcon is a complete piece of sh.t > >if [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > thought you where talking tongue in cheek and making a typical cap > backwards VL driving Holden fan statement :) he he Regards, Clockmeister. > ABS is general is probably great. We had a hire car in the USA with ABS and > it was sensational. But the system fitted to the EB Falcon is an absolute > piece of garbage. When you hit the smallest bump in the road (or a twig) > while breaking even modestly hard, the ABS releases ALL wheels, the brake > pedal sinks towards the floor, and the car races forward. Two things... 1. Make sure your shock absorbers are ok. A faulty one will affect braking distances alot. It could cause your abs to activate if it can't maintain the tyres grip on the road. 2. The EB ABS is three channel. It controls each front wheel independently and the rear two as a pair. Therefore it should only release the actual wheel that has lost grip. So there may be a problem with your brakes/abs. > > ABS is general is probably great. We had a hire car in the USA with ABS > and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > So there may be a problem with your brakes/abs. Thanks Richard. I'm going to get it checked out. I would not recommend this but if you REALLY want to disable the ABS just pull the harness from the ECU. That will do the trick. However your car will have spongy brakes as the ABS hydraulic modulator introduces some 'slack' into the hydraulic system. Therefore your car with the ABS deactivated will not brake the same as a non ABS equipped Falcon. Again I do not recommend that anybody does this. FF > How can I disable the ABS brakes on my EB Falcon? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > John Thanks FF > I would not recommend this but if you REALLY want to disable the ABS just > pull the harness from the ECU. That will do the trick. However your car will [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > > John pull the fuse or relay. It's in the engine bay near the battery. Brenden > How can I disable the ABS brakes on my EB Falcon? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > John Thanks Brenden > pull the fuse or relay. It's in the engine bay near the battery. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > > John > How can I disable the ABS brakes on my EB Falcon? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > John Get the Brakes checked as there is something wrong with them.... I drove a EB Falcon for 3 years and had no problems at all with the ABS (and yes on some fairly banged up roads too) I would not go messing with the breaking system, as if something goes wrong and you do hit and kill someone, you could be up for serious charges... And you insurance would be nul and void.. Would you want the death of someone one your hands, just because you could not be stuffed getting the system fixed and just disabled it??? I know I would not..... > > How can I disable the ABS brakes on my EB Falcon? > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > I know I would not..... Thanks. I'll get it checked out. "John" <knight_js.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message > How can I disable the ABS brakes on my EB Falcon? > > I'm sick to death of hitting small bumps in the road (or twigs) under > braking and almost rolling on into the car in front. It's only a matter of > time before I roll into another car. I remember years back some farmers in brand new Landcruisers hitting gates and fences because on mud the ABS wouldn't let the wheels stop rotating. It wasn't calibrated to work on mud. In your case however, the ABS should certainly be calibrated to work on rough road surfaces, so I'd get it checked out. I noticed on my 1993 NC Fairlane that it is very sensitive to the disk, pad brand, tyre combination. The pads that were on when I got the car did this but fitting bendix premium and new tyres (the old ones were wide pricey ones but I can't recall the details) have fixed it. I also hear slotted disks work. The first Australian Ford ABS systems were less than perfect in this regard. I would try new pads first. SignatureRegards Blue Remove Z from email address to reply directly. I already have Bendix pads and good tyres (Dunlop LM901's) > I noticed on my 1993 NC Fairlane that it is very sensitive to > the disk, pad brand, tyre combination. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Remove Z from email address to reply directly. > How can I disable the ABS brakes on my EB Falcon? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > John Personally I think it's a bad idea to get rid of the ABS. Also, if you're hitting a small bump (or twig!) in the road and just about hitting the dude in front of you... surely that makes you think, 'Duh, maybe I'm a bit close to the folks in front.' Gaining or losing features doesn't make a good driver. I think you're blaming the car for your own driving abilities. Just my piece. daryl > > How can I disable the ABS brakes on my EB Falcon? > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > daryl How about this scenario Mr Daryl (which happened the other day). I was travelling downhill on a steep driveway which had a speedbump. I braked for the speedbump, but the wheel ran over a twig, ABS kicked in, brakes released, next thing I accelerate downhill into the speed bump!!! Not very nice... Anyway, from what everyone else says, it's clearly a problem specific to my car, and I'm going to get them checked. "John" <knight_js.nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3f75c4c9$0$10355 > How about this scenario Mr Daryl (which happened the other day). I was > travelling downhill on a steep driveway which had a speedbump. I braked for > the speedbump, but the wheel ran over a twig, ABS kicked in, brakes > released, next thing I accelerate downhill into the speed bump!!! Not very > nice... Your car's got problems that need to be addressed pronto, before you kill yourself or someone else... Regards, Noddy.
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