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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Focus / December 2004

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TDCi Available in the US?

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matthew russell - 14 Dec 2004 02:03 GMT
Anyone know if it's possible to get a TDCi engine in the US?  And if so,
roughly how much?

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Mojo JoJo - 14 Dec 2004 02:58 GMT
Not currently, there are rumors about Ford bringing it to the states in a
few years though.

Mojo

> Anyone know if it's possible to get a TDCi engine in the US?  And if so,
> roughly how much?
Andy Lee - 14 Dec 2004 09:28 GMT
>Not currently, there are rumors about Ford bringing it to the states in a
>few years though.
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>> Anyone know if it's possible to get a TDCi engine in the US?  And if so,
>> roughly how much?

Most of the first tier suppliers are starting to invest heavily in
Diesel technology in the States. It seems that the rising cost of gas
is finally making US customers look at alternatives. I recently had a
conversation with a colleague from Dearborn whilst travelling in my
TDCi he expressed surprise at the refinement and performance of the
car and was totally shocked when I told him the sort of returns we
routinely get. In his words "We consider anything over 20mpg to be
economical nearly 50mpg is miraculous"
BRibic - 14 Dec 2004 11:39 GMT
> Not currently, there are rumors about Ford bringing it to the states in a
> few years though.

There is no diesel engine to buy in US...?
In Europe diesel engines in new cars are over 60% of total sale.
Mark Olson - 14 Dec 2004 13:13 GMT
>> Not currently, there are rumors about Ford bringing it to the states in a
>> few years though.

> There is no diesel engine to buy in US...?

Not in a Focus, no.  We get the VW TDi, Benz E320 CDI, and you can get
full sized pickup trucks with a diesel engine.

> In Europe diesel engines in new cars are over 60% of total sale.

That's because fuel is heavily taxed in Europe.  It's quite cheap here
in the USA. For example, regular unleaded gasoline is approximately
0.32 Euro/liter ($1.599/US gallon) at my local filling station, diesel
is slightly higher.
BRibic - 15 Dec 2004 17:32 GMT
> Not in a Focus, no.  We get the VW TDi, Benz E320 CDI, and you can get
> full sized pickup trucks with a diesel engine.
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> 0.32 Euro/liter ($1.599/US gallon) at my local filling station, diesel
> is slightly higher.

Diesel is slightly higher ???...in Europe is totaly opposite.
Regular unleaded gasoline is about 1 Euro and diesel is about  0,85Euro per
liter.

Well, I could realy save some money on gas in US with that prices, no wonder
you occupied Iraq....:-).
Neill Massello - 15 Dec 2004 17:57 GMT
> Well, I could realy save some money on gas in US with that prices, no wonder
> you occupied Iraq....:-).

For real information (not Usenet bullshit) about US fuel prices, go to
<http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/gdu/gasdiesel.asp>. The United States
isn't exactly *making* money from the occupation of Iraq. Of course, you
knew that.
BRibic - 16 Dec 2004 12:12 GMT
> > Well, I could realy save some money on gas in US with that prices, no wonder
> > you occupied Iraq....:-).
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> isn't exactly *making* money from the occupation of Iraq. Of course, you
> knew that.

Nope, they are were concerne about  people in Iraq..:-).
Thanks for link.
FanJet - 15 Dec 2004 18:00 GMT
>> Not in a Focus, no.  We get the VW TDi, Benz E320 CDI, and you can
>> get full sized pickup trucks with a diesel engine.
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> Regular unleaded gasoline is about 1 Euro and diesel is about
> 0,85Euro per liter.

Yup. Believe it or not. What a hoot!

> Well, I could realy save some money on gas in US with that prices, no
> wonder you occupied Iraq....:-).

GOD, hope word doesn't get 'round. You'll keep it to yourself, won't you?
BRibic - 16 Dec 2004 12:14 GMT
> > Diesel is slightly higher ???...in Europe is totaly opposite.
> > Regular unleaded gasoline is about 1 Euro and diesel is about
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>
> GOD, hope word doesn't get 'round. You'll keep it to yourself, won't you?

Good one.......
Chris Whelan - 15 Dec 2004 21:54 GMT
> Diesel is slightly higher ???...in Europe is totaly opposite.
> Regular unleaded gasoline is about 1 Euro and diesel is about  0,85Euro per
> liter.

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On the assumption that the UK is part of Europe, diesel is not
cheaper than gasoline everywhere!

Chris
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Stephen F. - 16 Dec 2004 07:54 GMT
>> Diesel is slightly higher ???...in Europe is totaly opposite.
>> Regular unleaded gasoline is about 1 Euro and diesel is about  0,85Euro
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> On the assumption that the UK is part of Europe, diesel is not cheaper
> than gasoline everywhere!

Switzerland is the same.  On the other hand, insurance and road taxes for
diesels are higher in Germany than for petrol cars, so the lower fuel costs
just offset this.  I think the only real winners are Spain and France.

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BRibic - 16 Dec 2004 12:19 GMT
> > On the assumption that the UK is part of Europe, diesel is not cheaper
> > than gasoline everywhere!
>
> Switzerland is the same.  On the other hand, insurance and road taxes for
> diesels are higher in Germany than for petrol cars, so the lower fuel costs
> just offset this.  I think the only real winners are Spain and France.

Pollution with diesel engines is much bigger than gasoline, and thats
why,not only
road taxes, but inssurance also is higher for diesel engines.
Stephen F. - 16 Dec 2004 15:55 GMT
>> > On the assumption that the UK is part of Europe, diesel is not cheaper
>> > than gasoline everywhere!
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> why,not only
> road taxes, but inssurance also is higher for diesel engines.

Road taxes yes, insurance no.  Insurance premiums are probably higher
because the residual value of diesel cars is higher than the equivalent
petrol.  Insurance costs are only based on an aggregate cost per claim and
the chance of a claim.  That's why sports cars are expensive (high chance of
claim) and also some really boring cars can be expensive if they have
something which is a pain in the a.s to repair (like expensive front lights
which drive up the cost of a relatively minor accident) or if the cost to
write off the car is high (residual value).

S.
BRibic - 16 Dec 2004 12:17 GMT
> > Diesel is slightly higher ???...in Europe is totaly opposite.
> > Regular unleaded gasoline is about 1 Euro and diesel is about  0,85Euro per
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> On the assumption that the UK is part of Europe, diesel is not
> cheaper than gasoline everywhere!

Uk is Europe, even you still have pound instead of euro....:-).
In my region, Croatia, Slovenia, Italy, Austria, Germany diesel is cheaper
than gasoline, thats the one of the  reasons
people buy diesel cars.
 
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