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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Focus / February 2005

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Rockmead - 29 Jan 2005 18:48 GMT
Hi,

What voltage/current should my 1999 X reg 1.8 petrol Zetec focus be in
the region of ? I would like to check myself before helfords (or
similar) charge me for something I do not need.

Thanks Paul
Alan - 29 Jan 2005 19:05 GMT
>Hi,
>
>What voltage/current should my 1999 X reg 1.8 petrol Zetec focus be in
>the region of ? I would like to check myself before helfords (or
>similar) charge me for something I do not need.

12 to 14.5V

However, the terminal voltage could be in this region but the battery
could be incapable of providing the high currents needed to turn over
and start the engine in cold weather.

What problems are you experiencing?

If the battery on your 1999 car is original and you are having problems
starting a prime suspect would be the battery, especially if the car is
left out in the cold overnight.

It may also be worth checking the fluid levels in the battery and
cleaning and re-making the battery terminal connections.
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Alan
mailto:news2me_a_2003@amacleod.clara.co.uk

Rockmead - 30 Jan 2005 15:25 GMT
All,

The problem I am experiencing is the car has a habit of not starting
first time (it used too).

I have checked the battery my self and also the guys at halfords who
deemed it fine (I was expecting a sales pitch), my local (reliable
garage) have cleaned and adjusted the plugs. But the problem still
remians what else can I do to narrow the problem down ?? or fix it ?

Paul
TIA

>> Hi,
>>
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> It may also be worth checking the fluid levels in the battery and
> cleaning and re-making the battery terminal connections.
Tim \(Remove NOSPAM. - 30 Jan 2005 17:54 GMT
> All,
>
> The problem I am experiencing is the car has a habit of not starting
> first time (it used too).

Do you mean it cranks slowly and thus doesnt start, or cranks normally but
just doesnt fire on the first attempt?

Tim..
Rockmead - 30 Jan 2005 21:32 GMT
 The car cranks and does not fire on the first attempt. HTH

Tim (Remove NOSPAM. wrote:

>>All,
>>
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>
> Tim..
newsgroups01REMOVEME@intertainia.com - 31 Jan 2005 04:27 GMT
>  The car cranks and does not fire on the first attempt. HTH

If the ignition system was checked and service, then the next check
should be on your fuel system.  Do you let the car site a min in the
on position, before cranking the engine?  

>Tim (Remove NOSPAM. wrote:
>>
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>>
>> Tim..

imho,

tom @ www.CarFleaMarket.com
Tim \(Remove NOSPAM. - 31 Jan 2005 08:16 GMT
>   The car cranks and does not fire on the first attempt. HTH

Try the 2nd ignition key on its own for a couple of days...
If it then behaves normally and starts first crank- get a new main key.

Tim..
Alan - 31 Jan 2005 19:26 GMT
>>   The car cranks and does not fire on the first attempt. HTH
>
>Try the 2nd ignition key on its own for a couple of days...
>If it then behaves normally and starts first crank- get a new main key.

A duff key would not allow the engine to even start turning over.

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Alan
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Mark Olson - 31 Jan 2005 23:43 GMT
> >>   The car cranks and does not fire on the first attempt. HTH

> >Try the 2nd ignition key on its own for a couple of days...
> >If it then behaves normally and starts first crank- get a new main key.

> A duff key would not allow the engine to even start turning over.

Yep.  As I discovered when I had my most recent key cut.  I tried
it just for yucks to see how the car would behave with the key
'unprogrammed'.  To my surprise, the starter would not even turn.
I had previously read somewhere that without the ECU having learned
the RFID chip in the PATS key, that the engine would start and
run briefly (~ 1s) before shutting down.  Nope.  It won't even
crank, much less start or run.
Alan - 01 Feb 2005 02:21 GMT
>> >>   The car cranks and does not fire on the first attempt. HTH
>
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>run briefly (~ 1s) before shutting down.  Nope.  It won't even
>crank, much less start or run.

When I tried a newly cut key, before I programmed it, I found that
everything was dead. i.e. the  starter motor is not powered.

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Alan
mailto:news2me_a_2003@amacleod.clara.co.uk

Tim \(Remove NOSPAM. - 01 Feb 2005 12:45 GMT
> >> >>   The car cranks and does not fire on the first attempt. HTH
> >
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> When I tried a newly cut key, before I programmed it, I found that
> everything was dead. i.e. the  starter motor is not powered.

Hmm that is most odd, as my 2000 1.8 Zetec with the Siemens-linked PATS
system will crank but not fire. Whilst the PATS like flashes quickly.. I too
tried with an un programmed newly cut key..

Can only assume Ford used either different software or a different breed of
PATS unit which works slightly differently in some cars?

Tim..
Waste - 29 Jan 2005 20:13 GMT
Most Car batteries only last about 4-5 years. I would say that your battery
is just about reached its useful life span.

Its cheap piece of mind to replace them after 4 years.

To check a battery you should really have a load test done on it, most
places generally do not charge for this, it only takes them 5 minutes.

But you can do a little test on it yourself.
The battery voltage car not running should be 12 volts or close to it. If
its 11.0 volts or under, its had it.
When the car is running the voltage across the terminals should be about
13.6 - 14 volts.
If the car is difficult to start or the lights really dim when you operate
the starter this is a sign that the battery is getting weak.
Hope this helps.

"Rockmead" <me@here.com> wrote in message
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Hi,

What voltage/current should my 1999 X reg 1.8 petrol Zetec focus be in
the region of ? I would like to check myself before helfords (or
similar) charge me for something I do not need.

Thanks Paul
newsgroups01REMOVEME@intertainia.com - 29 Jan 2005 20:22 GMT
>Hi,
>
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>
>Thanks Paul

Voltage table from battery faq site: http://www.chopurl.com?570

hth,

tom
newsgroups01REMOVEME@intertainia.com - 09 Feb 2005 21:43 GMT
>Hi,
>
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>
>Thanks Paul

Did anything develope from this?

later,

tom @ www.Love-Calculators.com
 
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