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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Focus / June 2005

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2005 Focus vs older models

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GM - 29 Jun 2005 23:44 GMT
My parents are looking for a higher seating position car than their
Camry. We looked at the Toyota Matrix and they liked it but also like
my Focus. They drive a lot (35-40K/yr) and their Camry has been
unbelievably reliable and cheap to run. So we were leaning towards the
Matrix but we drove a 2005 Focus wagon to compare. As we like my 2001
ZX3 a lot, we were very let down. So much that was standard is now
optional (on the ZX3 too). I would have to get the $500 sport package
to get the alloys, tach, leather wheel, etc that I got with my base
car. Maybe one can't even get the rear sway bar that I got standard.
Add into this, the new blander/generic styling. I know it is subjective
and some may like it better, but we didn't. It lost its unique style
and blends in. Again, some may like this better. I also know that the
recalls are over that the early models had. Mine has had no service
needs so far. Just fluid and filter changes.

THe Focus may have ridden a bit better but they were quite close in
overall performance...maybe the Matrix was smoother. It definitely was
finished much better and felt more expensive. The main advantage of the
Focus was the current $3,000 rebate...otherwise, the prices are close.
The Matrix XR with a sunroof and most other power options is a bit over
$17K. They got a Matrix XR for $15K with their Camry (242,000 miles).

Anyway, these are just my thoughts and I would like to hear yours. I am
glad my ZX3 only has 60,000 miles and I do not have to look for a new
car for myself for a while. I would consider a ZX3 and maybe if I add
all I want, I would like it better (I'd miss my interior though). By
the time I need to buy, I hope that the current European Focus was
here. We need it NOW. Why do we (USA) always get/keep the older
designs? My guess is that small cars are the norm in much of the rest
to the world and Europe and you must have up to date/competitive
designs to make it. Here the small cars are for a relatively few and
the manufacturers CAFE numbers.

Gary
garyz - 30 Jun 2005 03:51 GMT
Some comments:
-You should also compare these 2 to a Mazda 3 Sport.
-Even a fully loaded ZX5 or ZXW version of the Focus will be about $3k
(US) cheaper. This is significant in a car in this price range. The
Japanese makes dont discount much. The SES version has all the features
you like.
- The Matrix has significantly worse handling and poorer rear seat ride
comfort than the Ford or Mazda
- The Matrix will get significantly better fuel economy than the other
two. (Work it out on an annual basis. Given your  parents high mileage,
this may offset the initial cost difference).
- It sounds like resale value (Japanese better than Ford) is not a
factor since they keep their cars a long time.

In summary,
- if they want a sports car and dont care too much about the initial and
fuel cost, go with the Mazda.
- if they want a high quality, versatile vehicle and dont mind the ride
and handling, the Matrix would still be good since I suspect the fuel
savings would offset the intial cost difference.
- if they want the best 'value' in a terrific handling /riding car (but
with only avg fuel economy), the Focus ZX5 or wagon is a great deal in a
now reliable car.

-Garyz

> My parents are looking for a higher seating position car than their
> Camry. We looked at the Toyota Matrix and they liked it but also like
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> Gary
Stephen F. - 30 Jun 2005 07:05 GMT
> Some comments:
> -You should also compare these 2 to a Mazda 3 Sport.
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> -Garyz

Good summary. Much as I like my Focus (here in Switzerland), I recommend the
Matrix/Vibe twins to a lot of people, and if I were back in North America,
this would be the car at the top of my list.  The Focus is the better
driver's car, but probably not profoundly so in everyday life, and the other
pluses of the Toyota product make it a much more compelling buy.

The new Focus here is certainly nice, but I prefer my 2003 model.

Stephen
jt - 30 Jun 2005 22:53 GMT
> The new Focus here is certainly nice, but I prefer my 2003 model.

I have a 2004 ZX5 with the 2.3L engine, I drove a bunch of 2005 cars,
Focus, Subaru, Mazda 3, Hyundai, and both Hondas.

The 2003/2004 Focus withe the 2.3L engines just gets up and walks all
over them. I Paid 11,900 as a factory certified used car with the 6
year 75,000 mile warantee. Now if the dealer network wern't so bad.....

anyone no a good dealer in the New York Metro area?

jt
Scott Mardon - 30 Jun 2005 14:34 GMT
We just traded in a 2000 LX on a 2005 SES. The 05 has about 20 more hp than
the 00 and with the larger tires rides and handles much better.
> My parents are looking for a higher seating position car than their
> Camry. We looked at the Toyota Matrix and they liked it but also like
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> Gary
jt - 30 Jun 2005 22:47 GMT
One thing I noticed is that adding packages to a less expensive model
was WAYmore expensive than getting the better equiped model. The price
difference between an SE and an SES is hundreds of dollars less than
adding the appearance group and convienience groups to an SE

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