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UK Focus 1.6 '01, rain or water intruding into passenger footwell

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Robin Smith - 30 Jul 2005 21:53 GMT
Has anyone else seen this before. Since the heavy rain started a couple of
weeks ago the passenger footwell is gathering a puddle of water per heavy
shower.

There is no water entering through the door or window or windscreen. the
only damp path I can find away from the footwell seems to be up towards the
centre console where from the footwell air vents

I has been in for a regular service recently jst prior to the bad weather

Thanks for any help
Chris Whelan - 30 Jul 2005 22:36 GMT
> Has anyone else seen this before. Since the heavy rain started a couple of
> weeks ago the passenger footwell is gathering a puddle of water per heavy
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> Thanks for any help

All together now - Pollen filter cover!

If you Google for this you will find loads of info. Basically, at the bottom
of the windscreen on the NS is a removable cover which gives access to the
pollen filter. Dealers are notoriously bad at refitting this properly. You
need to clean the old sealant off, then apply the proper Ford stuff. Take
it back to whoever did the service and get them to sort it. If the car is
very damp, ask them to dry it out, and suggest that if it still smells you
might be asking them to replace the carpets.

Anyone who has been servicing the Focus for a while should be fully familiar
with this.

HTH

Chris

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Robin Smith - 31 Jul 2005 13:27 GMT
Thanks folks, it would seem the filter is the cause. Service was carried out
end of January, can you indicate my why its taken so long to leak. I ask as
the dealer will say it my fault due to time since service

However, they have had it back in twice to try and remedy a very noisy
auxiliary drive belt, but I don think they would have tampered with the
pollen filter....would they? And no after 5 attempts they still cannot fix
the belt noise

Can anyone point me to a decent link pertaining to the pollen filter fix
please

thanks

> > Has anyone else seen this before. Since the heavy rain started a couple of
> > weeks ago the passenger footwell is gathering a puddle of water per heavy
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Chris Whelan - 31 Jul 2005 17:38 GMT
> Thanks folks, it would seem the filter is the cause. Service was carried
> out end of January, can you indicate my why its taken so long to leak. I
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> thanks

If you Google in the group you will find posts about the pollen filter cover
dating back almost to the release of the Focus. Dealers were originally not
scraping off the old sealant and renewing it. No dealer should be unaware
of this by now - it's been 6 years!

WRT the noisy auxiliary belt, has the tensioner and idler been replaced?
This should stop it, but if your dealer can't fit a pollen filter cover
after all this time, I don't hold out much hope.

Unless you are getting this work done free under a warranty, I would look
elsewhere.

HTH

Chris

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E - 02 Aug 2005 00:22 GMT
Robin Smith has written
>Thanks folks, it would seem the filter is the cause. Service was carried out
>end of January, can you indicate my why its taken so long to leak. I ask as
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>Can anyone point me to a decent link pertaining to the pollen filter fix
>please

Hi Robin

I have found a good US website which you might find useful

http://www.myfordfocus.com/how-to/cabinfilter.htm

The pollen filter is covered by the plastic mesh style panel which sits
against the bottom of the windscreen. As you are in the UK the panel you
are looking for is on the RHS as you are looking from the front of the
car.

The panel should be sealed onto the bottom of the windscreen. On my car
the sealer had come away from the windscreen allowing the water to run
underneath it. I used a sealant gun to fix mine. It only cost a couple of
pounds from a motor accessory store.

Eddie
Robin Smith - 02 Aug 2005 08:22 GMT
Eddie, thx for this.

My panel was not sealed to the windscreen. Its only been sealed prior to the
leak to the filter tray. Are you sure that I should seal it to the
windscreen glass itself? It clearly was not done correctly at the last
service and my carpet stinks and the filter is ruined.

I wont be going back to the dealer (Inchcape Ford UK) as they have been
useless in the past, this example only reinforces their poor performance.
What gets me about this is this company just announced superb annual results
to the markets last week. Obviously they are saving on Operating Expenses,
i.e. Customers

rgds

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Chris Whelan - 02 Aug 2005 09:13 GMT
> Eddie, thx for this.
>
> My panel was not sealed to the windscreen. Its only been sealed prior to
> the leak to the filter tray. Are you sure that I should seal it to the
> windscreen glass itself? It clearly was not done correctly at the last
> service and my carpet stinks and the filter is ruined.

Yes, the bead of sealant should be applied to the cover where it contacts
the glass. It is advisable to use the correct product for this (see my
earlier post) because anything too adhesive my cause problems removing the
cover in the future.

> I wont be going back to the dealer (Inchcape Ford UK) as they have been
> useless in the past, this example only reinforces their poor performance.
> What gets me about this is this company just announced superb annual
> results to the markets last week. Obviously they are saving on Operating
> Expenses, i.e. Customers

My local dealer (Inchcape Wokingham) have been reasonably good. It might
help that I went to school with their Service Manager!

Chris

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oldHemel - 02 Aug 2005 17:54 GMT
No one seemed able to seal my windscreen properly, Ford main dealers,
independent service agents or windscreen replacement companies.
My fix for this problem was to fashion a cover over the pollen filter
that stopped water going on to the filter but did not stop the flow of
air into the filter. The plastic I used was about the thickness of a
business card which could be creased downwards on each side.

>>Eddie, thx for this.
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Chris Whelan - 02 Aug 2005 18:50 GMT
> No one seemed able to seal my windscreen properly, Ford main dealers,
> independent service agents or windscreen replacement companies.
> My fix for this problem was to fashion a cover over the pollen filter
> that stopped water going on to the filter but did not stop the flow of
> air into the filter. The plastic I used was about the thickness of a
> business card which could be creased downwards on each side.

How old is the car? A modified cover was introduced but I'm not sure when.
This has only one screw to secure it instead of the original three. If your
car has the older one, perhaps it might be worth replacing it the next time
the filter is changed?

Chris

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Robin Smith - 03 Aug 2005 14:45 GMT
Yep, it wouldn't look good to take 5 attempts and still failing to fix a
problem for a friend. Maybe you can have a word with him for me (:

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Alan - 30 Jul 2005 23:06 GMT
>Has anyone else seen this before. Since the heavy rain started a couple of
>weeks ago the passenger footwell is gathering a puddle of water per heavy
>shower.

Usually the Pollen/Cabin filter cover being incorrectly fitted causes
this problem.

>There is no water entering through the door or window or windscreen

Check the bottom of the windscreen. The filter cover forms part of the
windscreen seal - on the passenger side. The cabin air intake is under
the cover.

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>only damp path I can find away from the footwell seems to be up towards the
>centre console where from the footwell air vents
>
>I has been in for a regular service recently jst prior to the bad weather

This problem crops up regularly on this group. Usually the person asking
the question has just spent a lot of money on a dealer service.

Change the garage that does the service as they obviously don't
understand anything about routine servicing of  Ford Focus cars.

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Neil - 31 Jul 2005 12:07 GMT
thats just reminded me - whats the best sealant for this?

Had to remove the cover on mine months ago and never did get around to
sealing it properly again. Havent had any dampness inside yet - guess been
lucky! So far.
Chris Whelan - 31 Jul 2005 17:45 GMT
> thats just reminded me - whats the best sealant for this?

I tried to buy some at my dealers. The parts guy knew what I meant but
couldn't find it on the parts computer. He popped in to the workshop and
got me some, no charge.

It is a bead of sticky black sealant, about 3mm dia. It is on a brown papery
backing sheet which is then rolled up. I've never seen anything in a DIY
shop or anywhere that is similar, so you might have to beg some from a
dealer.

> Had to remove the cover on mine months ago and never did get around to
> sealing it properly again. Havent had any dampness inside yet - guess been
> lucky! So far.

ISTR that the problem is worse if you park with the NS front of the car low.

Chris

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Robin Smith - 31 Jul 2005 22:25 GMT
> ISTR that the problem is worse if you park with the NS front of the car low.

Yep , that's the position mine leaked most in!
per - 10 Aug 2005 16:39 GMT
I would guess it is a butyl rubber sealant. A glazier should have it.
/per

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