Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
HomeAnnouncements
Discussion Groups
By Brand
BMWChevroletDodgeFordGMHondaLexusMercedes-BenzNissanPeugeotToyotaVolkswagenOther Brands
By Topic
4x4 CarsRVsDrivingMaintenance & RepairCar AudioCollectible Cars
Country Specific
Australian ForumsUK Forums
ArticlesAuto InsuranceBuyingCars & TechnologyMaintenanceMiscellaneousSafety
DMV Resources
Related Topics
MotorcyclesBoatsMore Topics ...

Car Forum / Ford / Ford Focus / December 2005

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

Winter Tires

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
Roarmeister - 14 Dec 2005 00:34 GMT
Well, I finally broke down and bought myself a Christmas present - new true
winter tires for my Focus ZX5.  Actually, they are on order and will take a
couple of days to get here.  Last year, I made do with the stock all season
P6 but I noticed the traction control coming on all the time, especially
when trying to get moving from an intersection.  The traction control
actually moderates the speed with the ABS brakes so it really wasn't any
faster, just easier to get moving.  And on ice or light snow the Pirellis
were just plain tricky to handle with the occasional fishtailing.  We only
had one heavy snowfall last year (300mm +) and a number of 50-75mm
snowfalls but getting stuck just once during that heavy snowfall was once
too many for my pride!

The tires I settled on were Michelin X-Ice studless in an oddball size
195/55-16.  I could get the 205/50-16 size (same loading) but I figure the
slimmer tire will track through snow a tad bit easier and better still they
are about $13 CDN cheaper than the wider tire!  The Michelin's are
supposedly better than the Blizzak's for snow and better in handling but
not quite as good on the ice.  The Michelin's also are supposed to wear
easier and longer.

The oddball size is about 1.6% larger in circumference than the stock tires
but then again the stock tires are undersized/overspeed for the car.
(Driving 112 kph on the speedo = driving 110 in the real world according to
a radar.)  So the new size will be just about perfect.  The handling
shouldn't change all that much - but then again I won't be "throwing the
car" into corners like I do in the summer on dry pavement.  A handy website
for determining size equivalent is:
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

The X-Ice is Q speed rated vs. the H rating of the existing Pirellis but
then again where I am (-30*C Canadian prairies) the tire won't be
generating enough heat to worry about even on long trips!  More of my
winter driving is around town than highway.

I considered going to a premium All-Season tire like the BFG Traction T/A
or Yokohama AVID V4S for the same price but then what do I do with my
existing Pirellis which still have a decent amount of tread left (27000
km)?  The BFG's would be better but not significantly better in the snow
like a true winter tire would be.

I also considered buying a set of 15" steel rims and downsizing with 195/60
series tires (slightly higher loading - 88 vs the 87) - still with the
Michelin X-Ice.  That size of tire would be cheaper but then I have to buy
another set of rims so the cost would be offsetting and there would be a
greater difference in handling but still within the range of the Focus. The
third option would be to use even cheaper generic winter tires and add
studs to them but I figured that would be even noisier and some
jurisdictions don't permit them.  They aren't designed for prolonged use at
highway speeds either.
Dave Gower - 14 Dec 2005 13:17 GMT
> I also considered buying a set of 15" steel rims and downsizing with
> 195/60
> series tires ... That size of tire would be cheaper but then I have to buy
> another set of rims so the cost would be offsetting and there would be a
> greater difference in handling but still within the range of the Focus.

Offsetting the cost of a second set of rims is the fact that you don't have
to have the tires remounted each spring and fall, plus the fact that you
don't expose alloy wheels to winter conditions. But your choice is an
interesting one. Let us know how it works out for you.

A friend of mine just bought his first Focus, a 2005 SES with 205/16s. On my
recommendation he bought 195/60 15s on steel rims for winter. He thinks the
handling on the 195s is wonderful, but then his previous car was a
Corolla...
Roarmeister - 15 Dec 2005 00:49 GMT
>> I also considered buying a set of 15" steel rims and downsizing with
>> 195/60
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>to have the tires remounted each spring and fall, plus the fact that you
>don't expose alloy wheels to winter conditions.

I really don't have much issue with alloy wheels in the winter.  We don't
use much salt out here because it generally is too cold for it to be
effective, salt works best when it's only a few degrees below freezing.
I've got a much bigger problem in the summer just trying to keep the dust
off them - I would have preferred chrome wheels.

>Offsetting the cost of a second set of rims is the fact that you don't have
>to have the tires remounted each spring and fall

Yeah, I've been thinking about that part.  Maybe next winter when I change
them back on again.  But right now when I am in a 3rd floor apartment and
have to lug the spare tires up to the storage room I'd rather it be just
the tires and not the extra weight of the rims.  Next spring, I'm buying a
house with a stinkin' garage.  :-)

>But your choice is an interesting one. Let us know how it works out for you.

Yeehaa!  We just got 150mm of snow today - when I get the new tires
tomorrow I'll be able to do a direct comparison on our snowy streets (over
freezing rain).  Today, the traction control was kicking in like crazy....

>A friend of mine just bought his first Focus, a 2005 SES with 205/16s. On my
>recommendation he bought 195/60 15s on steel rims for winter. He thinks the
>handling on the 195s is wonderful, but then his previous car was a
>Corolla...

I don't know what the reviewers were smoking when they proclaimed the
Corolla as a great handling car.  I rented one once and drove in the rain
with it - there was ABSOLUTELY no feel to the road, no transmission of feel
through the suspension or steering.  I felt like I could float away and had
to seriously reduce speed whereas the Focus I could push all the way.  The
only person who could think that it was a good handling car is a soccer mom
who like to soak up all the bumps.  Me - I want contact with the road and
instant feedback, this is also why I drive a standard instead of a wimpy
automatic.

Rate this thread:






 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2008 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.