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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Focus / February 2006ABS and Traction Control Warning Lights
The manual says that when ignition goes to pos 2 the ABS and Traction Control lights should come on briefly to confirm they are operational. Just bought a second hand one 1.8 zetec estate which they said had both the above, but neither light flashes on, like the manual says, when ignition goes to position II Is there a problem with the systems? "Grassy Knollington" <magicbullet@seethroughthe.con> wrote... > The manual says that when ignition goes to pos 2 the ABS and Traction > Control lights should come on briefly to confirm they are operational. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Is there a problem with the systems? I'm not sure where you are but here in The States, at least in the 2001 models like mine, both items were optional. If so, it's possible that the car has neither and therefore no lights upon startup, either. Plan B is that both items discussed are working but the bulbs burned out. Plan C is that the seller knew that both systems were bad (where at least the ABS light will stay on--not sure about traction control) and rather than fix the problems, they just removed the bulbs. One test would be to take the car onto an empty dirt or icy road and hit the brakes hard and see if the ABS system kicks in. If not, either the car has no ABS or the ABS has failed and needs service. Re: Traction Control; don't Foci with Traction Control have a switch to turn it on or off? If so, do you have such a switch? if not, the Focus came without the feature. Craig > "Grassy Knollington" <magicbullet@seethroughthe.con> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Craig Ta for that, I'll check what u said! In alt.autos.ford.focus Craig <wpyr@removemeworldnet.att.net>: > "Grassy Knollington" <magicbullet@seethroughthe.con> wrote... >> The manual says that when ignition goes to pos 2 the ABS and Traction >> Control lights should come on briefly to confirm they are operational. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Is there a problem with the systems? > I'm not sure where you are but here in The States, at least in the 2001 > models like mine, both items were optional. If so, it's possible that the > car has neither and therefore no lights upon startup, either. Strange all Focus seem to have different equipment optional and out of the box, depending were the car was sold/bought. My 1999 2l has both ABS + traction control out of the box. Iirc all Focus over here (Germany) have ABS, the traction control might be only default with the 2l engine. > Plan B is that both items discussed are working but the bulbs burned out. > Plan C is that the seller knew that both systems were bad (where at least > the ABS light will stay on--not sure about traction control) and rather than > fix the problems, they just removed the bulbs. > One test would be to take the car onto an empty dirt or icy road and hit > the brakes hard and see if the ABS system kicks in. If not, either the car > has no ABS or the ABS has failed and needs service. > Re: Traction Control; don't Foci with Traction Control have a switch to > turn it on or off? If so, do you have such a switch? if not, the Focus came > without the feature. At least mine has a small lighted switch to turn traction control off, near the gearshift, meaning the orange bulb will stay on all time and you'd have to switch if off always after restarting the engine again.  SignatureMichael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94) mail: echo zvpunry@urvzvat.qr | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/' #bofh excuse 442: Trojan horse ran out of hay > Strange all Focus seem to have different equipment optional and > out of the box, depending were the car was sold/bought. My 1999 > 2l has both ABS + traction control out of the box. Iirc all Focus > over here (Germany) have ABS, the traction control might be only > default with the 2l engine. Do the lights come on before starting then extinguish (ignition pos 2)? >> Re: Traction Control; don't Foci with Traction Control have a switch to >> turn it on or off? If so, do you have such a switch? if not, the Focus came [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > time and you'd have to switch if off always after restarting the > engine again. no switch, so.. possibly no traction control If I remember correctly uk model 1.8 does not have TC and ABS was an option. that's y I went for the 2.0 as u get TC , ABS and ESP (esp on some 2.0 models) + a few other goodies. HTH MC. > The manual says that when ignition goes to pos 2 the ABS and Traction > Control lights should come on briefly to confirm they are operational. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Is there a problem with the systems? > If I remember correctly uk model 1.8 does not have TC and ABS was an option. > that's y I went for the 2.0 as u get TC , ABS and ESP (esp on some 2.0 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > MC. Ta, So does the ABS warning light come on (briefly) b4 you start (when ignition in pos 2) to indicate system is operational. >> The manual says that when ignition goes to pos 2 the ABS and Traction >> Control lights should come on briefly to confirm they are operational. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Is there a problem with the systems? In alt.autos.ford.focus Grassy Knollington <magicbullet@seethroughthe.con>: >> If I remember correctly uk model 1.8 does not have TC and ABS was an option. >> that's y I went for the 2.0 as u get TC , ABS and ESP (esp on some 2.0 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> MC. > Ta, So does the ABS warning light come on (briefly) b4 you start (when > ignition in pos 2) to indicate system is operational. Think so, but can't tell for sure, there are about a dozen or so light bulbs if you switch on ignition. Could double check tomorrow, if I remember it. Albeit you can easily test if there's a working ABS, just get onto some wet, *empty* and large enough parking lot and stamp onto the brake pedal with force. You don't need to be fast 30-40 km/h should be enough to let you know. [..] SignatureMichael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94) mail: echo zvpunry@urvzvat.qr | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/' > In alt.autos.ford.focus Grassy Knollington <magicbullet@seethroughthe.con>: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > [..] tried that and it did skid, but not wildly so doesnt rule out partially working with fault and light/warning suppressed. >> Albeit you can easily test if there's >> a working ABS, just get onto some wet, *empty* and large enough [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > so doesnt rule out partially working with fault > and light/warning suppressed. If the ABS is functioning, you'll feel the brake pedal pulsate during a hard stop on a slippery surface. The ABS and Traction Control instrument bulbs light briefly when I turn the key to P2. Don >>> Albeit you can easily test if there's >>> a working ABS, just get onto some wet, *empty* and large enough [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Don Ta Dude, thats what I wanted to know, mine don't so I think there is a fault or not fitted... In alt.autos.ford.focus Grassy Knollington <magicbullet@seethroughthe.con>: >>>> Albeit you can easily test if there's >>>> a working ABS, just get onto some wet, *empty* and large enough >>>> parking lot and stamp onto the brake pedal with force. You don't >>>> need to be fast 30-40 km/h should be enough to let you know. >>> >>> tried that and it did skid, but not wildly It shouldn't at all with ABS. >>> so doesnt rule out partially working with fault >>> and light/warning suppressed. >> >> If the ABS is functioning, you'll feel the brake pedal pulsate during >> a hard stop on a slippery surface. The ABS and Traction Control >> instrument bulbs light briefly when I turn the key to P2. Indeed. > Ta Dude, thats what I wanted to know, mine don't so I think there is a > fault or not fitted... Sounds as if it wouldn't be fitted at all, perhaps you have been ripped-off? You could ask the next Ford dealer, he should be able to check in a second. SignatureMichael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94) mail: echo zvpunry@urvzvat.qr | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/' >> Ta Dude, thats what I wanted to know, mine don't so I think there is a >> fault or not fitted... > > Sounds as if it wouldn't be fitted at all, perhaps you have been > ripped-off? You could ask the next Ford dealer, he should be able > to check in a second. Indeed, the dealer placed a misleading/false advert which specified that it had ABS and Traction, but in fact when I went back there today the salesman calmly explains neither were fitted and their advert has a disclaimer... Chuffin Eck... Bloody con men, they seem in the ascendant in this country (UK) Flippin' think they are operating a snake oil / medicine show or something. And I have parted with the cash now... I also think they swapped the wheels for a duff/well scraped up set between me viewing and taking the car.. In alt.autos.ford.focus Grassy Knollington <magicbullet@seethroughthe.con>: >>> Ta Dude, thats what I wanted to know, mine don't so I think there is a >>> fault or not fitted... >> >> Sounds as if it wouldn't be fitted at all, perhaps you have been >> ripped-off? You could ask the next Ford dealer, he should be able >> to check in a second. > Indeed, the dealer placed a misleading/false advert which specified that > it had ABS and Traction, but in fact when I went back there today the > salesman calmly explains neither were fitted and their advert has a > disclaimer... Chuffin Eck... Fraud, a professional car dealer should be able to advertise a car probably. > Bloody con men, they seem in the ascendant in this country (UK) Flippin' > think they are operating a snake oil / medicine show or something. > And I have parted with the cash now... > I also think they swapped the wheels for a duff/well scraped up set > between me viewing and taking the car.. Again fraud. Sounds bad, TC isn't really needed (for me), though on snow it's nice. ABS on the other hand can be worth the money quite fast even if you get into a situation you can utilize it only once. If you aren't used to ABS a security training helps tremendously to take full advantage of the system. With ABS cars behave different during full braking and you need to handle things accordingly. Haven't been in a situation were it came into action, despite by provoking it on snow, just to see it's working as expected. But the security training with my Focus some ages ago really helped me to get used to ABS, more then I thought before. ;-) SignatureMichael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94) mail: echo zvpunry@urvzvat.qr | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/' > In alt.autos.ford.focus Grassy Knollington <magicbullet@seethroughthe.con>: >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Again fraud. yeah difficult to prove the latter but next time I buy a car (if) I will take a camera and get plenty of detail photos for evidence. But the lack of ABS and Traction control I was well annoyed at, the salesman had a nerve saying there was a disclaimer on the advert "Every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the above information but errors may occur. Please check with a salesperson." but they obviously had not made any effort to check the correctness of the advert as it was a simple job for him to tell me it did not have either when i took it back today. Gits! and its a pain to try and get anything done about it, I'll visit trading standards sometime this week see what they say, but I bet it will cost me solicitors fees etc. to get anything done. I'll also write the garage a letter saying I'll accept a further £300 off the (overpriced) price to compensate. > Sounds bad, TC isn't really needed (for me), though on snow it's > nice. ABS on the other hand can be worth the money quite fast [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > the security training with my Focus some ages ago really helped > me to get used to ABS, more then I thought before. ;-) Tested ABS out on a quiet road in a hire car I had once, and its cool! Like you say could save you a fortune and possibly save a life or few. Was wondering what traction control was like, guess I'll have to wait to find out.... when i get an ST... dream on... In alt.autos.ford.focus Grassy Knollington <magicbullet@seethroughthe.con>: [ Used bought Focus missing advertised ABS + TC ] > yeah difficult to prove the latter but next time I buy a car (if) I will > take a camera and get plenty of detail photos for evidence. > But the lack of ABS and Traction control I was well annoyed at, the > salesman had a nerve saying there was a disclaimer on the advert > "Every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the above > information but errors may occur. Please check with a salesperson." > but they obviously had not made any effort to check the correctness of the > advert as it was a simple job for him to tell me it did not have either > when i took it back today. > Gits! and its a pain to try and get anything done about it, I'll visit > trading standards sometime this week see what they say, but I bet it will > cost me solicitors fees etc. to get anything done. > I'll also write the garage a letter saying I'll accept a further ?300 off > the (overpriced) price to compensate. Ah see, thought from the thread you would have returned the car already? You should mention optional stuff in the sales contract, would be fairly easy to prove now that both ABS + TC are missing but listed. [..] > Was wondering what traction control was like, guess I'll have to wait to > find out.... when i get an ST... dream on... TC is standard with the 2l engine. The best idea was to get a suspension set: http://www.zf-trading.com/brand_sachs_gb (Racing Technology for the Road) SignatureMichael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94) mail: echo zvpunry@urvzvat.qr | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/' > In alt.autos.ford.focus Grassy Knollington <magicbullet@seethroughthe.con>: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Ah see, thought from the thread you would have returned the car > already? Not keen on returning it as I have already spent time and money on it and I need a car... > You should mention optional stuff in the sales contract, would be > fairly easy to prove now that both ABS + TC are missing but [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > http://www.zf-trading.com/brand_sachs_gb > (Racing Technology for the Road) Is that for the 2l ghia you mean. In addition to TC? >> In alt.autos.ford.focus Grassy Knollington >> <magicbullet@seethroughthe.con>: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > "Every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the above > information but errors may occur. Please check with a salesperson." Just talking to the salesman and then purchasing the car means you have fulfilled your part of the bargain. You HAVE checked with the salesperson. Just tell them that you are going to picket their sales lot with an enlarged pic of the Advertisement. Believe me that is worth a lot more than 300 to them. GO GET 'EM > but they obviously had not made any effort to check the correctness of the > advert as it was a simple job for him to tell me it did not have either [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Was wondering what traction control was like, guess I'll have to wait to > find out.... when i get an ST... dream on... "Michael Heiming" <michael+USENET@www.heiming.de> wrote... > In alt.autos.ford.focus Grassy Knollington > <magicbullet@seethroughthe.con>: >>>> Ta Dude, thats what I wanted to know, mine don't so I think there is a >>>> fault or not fitted... [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > the security training with my Focus some ages ago really helped > me to get used to ABS, more then I thought before. ;-) Even ignoring the benefits of ABS and TC (I've never had a vehicle with TC but like my ABS), both items add greatly to the value of a vehicle. So buying a vehicle claiming to have both and finding neither lowers the value of the car a lot. I bet this "dealer" would be quick to point out its lower trade-in value if you went to sell it to them or trade it in on another. Craig > Even ignoring the benefits of ABS and TC (I've never had a vehicle with TC > but like my ABS), both items add greatly to the value of a vehicle. So [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Craig Yeah, you are exactly right, talk about fuming... I am cross. >> Even ignoring the benefits of ABS and TC (I've never had a vehicle with TC >> but like my ABS), both items add greatly to the value of a vehicle. So [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yeah, you are exactly right, talk about fuming... I am cross. Don't get cross, get even. You have been sold something that is not as advertised. This purchase should be covered by the sale of goods act (SOGA). I woulds suggest a quick google for SOGA and a word with Trading Standards. You might also get advice from the uk.legal.moderated newsgroup and the Ford Focus UK owners club (www.ffoc.co.uk/forum). Whilst the seller is 'allowed' to get the advert wrong, when they do, you are entitled to compensation. You have been mis-sold the car and I would have thought that if nothing else you are entitled to return it for a full refund. There have been a number of cases of dealers 'accidentally' selling Focus 1.8 TDdi's as 1.8 TDCi's. They should not be allowed to get away with dodgy practices like these - at the very least you should name and shame them. Chris SignatureCut along the dotted line to reply >>> Even ignoring the benefits of ABS and TC (I've never had a vehicle with TC >>> but like my ABS), both items add greatly to the value of a vehicle. So [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Chris I'll give them a chance to sort it out first. But yeah I agree, getting mad is counter productive. Dont want to return the car, insured for it now, so that would cost me money to cancel or change and I have spent time and money on the car already... Will defo speak to trading standards! >> If the ABS is functioning, you'll feel the brake pedal pulsate during >> a hard stop on a slippery surface. The ABS and Traction Control >> instrument bulbs light briefly when I turn the key to P2. > > Ta Dude, thats what I wanted to know, mine don't > so I think there is a fault or not fitted... My understanding is that the ABS and Traction lights on the dash indicate that these are installed options. No lights = No ABS or TC. So if you've got the ABS and TC warning lights, then you should have these options, but they aren't working. Check the Vehicle Certification Label on the driver-side door jamb. The brake type is indicated in the extreme lower-left of the VCL. BRK 2 indicates ABS is installed. If this is incorrect for the UK, someone will correct me. Don In alt.autos.ford.focus Don McC <DonMcC@adelphia.net>: >>> If the ABS is functioning, you'll feel the brake pedal pulsate during >>> a hard stop on a slippery surface. The ABS and Traction Control >>> instrument bulbs light briefly when I turn the key to P2. >> >> Ta Dude, thats what I wanted to know, mine don't >> so I think there is a fault or not fitted... > My understanding is that the ABS and Traction lights on the dash indicate > that these are installed options. No lights = No ABS or TC. Another pretty important reason they are on with ignition so you can see they are working. A broken control bulb won't help if the car would like to tell you something went wrong. > So if you've got the ABS and TC warning lights, then you should have > these options, but they aren't working. Iirc the OP already double checked with the dealer and they acknowledged his Focus would miss ABS+TC. [..] SignatureMichael Heiming (X-PGP-Sig > GPG-Key ID: EDD27B94) mail: echo zvpunry@urvzvat.qr | perl -pe 'y/a-z/n-za-m/' :>>> Albeit you can easily test if there's :>>> a working ABS, just get onto some wet, *empty* and large enough [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] :> :>Don Also to confuse the issue, at least on my '04 SVT Focus, the TC is ON by default when you start the car. If you turn it OFF using the button on the console then the light on the dash turns ON. Yep, you read that right. If the light is ON the TC is OFF. WTF?? me/2 > :>>> Albeit you can easily test if there's > :>>> a working ABS, just get onto some wet, *empty* and large enough [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > me/2 thats typical... LOL, one of the university placement students doing the design got a wire crossed....? :>On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:43:25 +0000, me/2 wrote: :> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] :>thats typical... LOL, one of the university placement students doing the :>design got a wire crossed....? Yeah, it was pretty embarrassing at the first SVT chapter Solo event I entered. I couldn't figure out why I was doing so bad, especially in the flat out corners. It kept jerking and chugging really bad. I finally dug out the owner's manual and found out I was turning the TC on when I thought I was turning it off. Did a lot better with the TC disabled, even managed to turn better times than some of the Cobras. me/2 > :>On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:43:25 +0000, me/2 wrote: > :> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > me/2 Cobra + Corners = problems? :>On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:52:37 +0000, me/2 wrote: :> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] :> :>Cobra + Corners = problems? For some of them yes. Not for some of the highly modified ones that are owned by some of our chapter members. On some of them one tire is close to twice the width of the ones on my SVT Focus (215x45x17). Add to that a competition suspension and well over 400HP to the wheels and you get a pretty strong competitor on the small road course we use for our events. It's not a traditional "parking lot" type solo event that we run. BTW, one of the guys in the chapter is running an '03 Cobra with over 600HP on the ground. I was there at the Dyno Day when he got those numbers. I've had a chance to drive a few of them and for pure fun factor I still prefer my SVT Focus. me/2
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