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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Focus / August 2008

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Springs Bottoming Out

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Otto - 06 Aug 2008 19:25 GMT
I have a 90 Mitsubishi Eclipse - I think that's the same car as Ford Focus(?).   With 2 people riding or any kind of weight in the back it bottoms out.  Other than replacing the springs, are there any other ways to keep this from happening?  I have heard about putting spacers in the springs, but some folks say that makes the ride too hard.

Thanks in advance for any tips.

Otto
Paul Giverin - 06 Aug 2008 22:56 GMT
>I have a 90 Mitsubishi Eclipse - I think that's the same car as Ford
>Focus(?).

It's not.

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Otto - 07 Aug 2008 06:11 GMT
Right you are, Paul.  Thanks.  I should have checked.  This one is the same as a
Eagle Talon and Plymouth Laser.

> >I have a 90 Mitsubishi Eclipse - I think that's the same car as Ford
> >Focus(?).
>
> It's not.
Bhagat Gurtu - 07 Aug 2008 01:34 GMT
> I have a 90 Mitsubishi Eclipse - I think that's the same car as Ford
> Focus(?).   With 2 people riding or any kind of weight in the back it
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>
> Otto

Hi Otto,

A 90 Eclipse eclipse is a Mitsubishi (Japanese design), it is not a Ford
Focus (German design). Ford might do some silly things, but not even Ford
would dare risk their name by brand engineering a Mitsubishi product.

Putting spacers in the springs will completely change the rates of the
springs and they will mismatch the rate of the dampers even more than
they do now. You will make your car even more dangerous than it is now.

Japanese spring steel is not so good. Your springs will have to be reset.
Remove your springs and take to spring shop and get them reset (heated
reformed and quenched). This will bring them back to the way they were
when the car was new. You will also need to replace the dampers as they
will be off for sure.
Otto - 07 Aug 2008 06:10 GMT
> > I have a 90 Mitsubishi Eclipse - I think that's the same car as Ford
> > Focus(?).   With 2 people riding or any kind of weight in the back it
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> when the car was new. You will also need to replace the dampers as they
> will be off for sure.  

Thanks, Bhagat.  Will call around in the morning.  Any idea on what resetting springs typically would cost?  I'm in the US.

Otto
Otto - 07 Aug 2008 06:12 GMT
> > I have a 90 Mitsubishi Eclipse - I think that's the same car as Ford
> > Focus(?).   With 2 people riding or any kind of weight in the back it
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> when the car was new. You will also need to replace the dampers as they
> will be off for sure.  

I'm not familiar with the term dampers - is that shock absorbers?
Paul Giverin - 07 Aug 2008 07:14 GMT
>A 90 Eclipse eclipse is a Mitsubishi (Japanese design), it is not a Ford
>Focus (German design). Ford might do some silly things, but not even Ford
>would dare risk their name by brand engineering a Mitsubishi product.

They have however collaborated with Japanese manufacturers in the past.
The Mazda 121 was a re-badged Ford Fiesta. And Yamaha designed the Zetec
SE engine used in the Focus and other Ford cars.

Oh and my Focus has a French Peugeot engine :)

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G. R. Woodring - 08 Aug 2008 16:31 GMT
Date: 8/6/2008 2:25 PM, Author: :
> I have a 90 Mitsubishi Eclipse - I think that's the same car as Ford Focus(?).   With 2 people riding or any kind of weight in the back it bottoms out.  Other than replacing the springs, are there any other ways to keep this from happening?  I have heard about putting spacers in the springs, but some folks say that makes the ride too hard.
>
> Thanks in advance for any tips.
>
> Otto

Your shock absorbers are probably of the "Gas Charged" type which adds a little
support to what the springs provide.  Non gas charged shocks only provide
resistance to impact and bouncing.  It is likely that the gas and/or oil has
leaked from the shocks.  I would suggest replacing shocks and checking other
suspension mounting points for wear first.

It is possible that the springs have weakened over time but worn out shocks is
more likely.

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Otto - 10 Aug 2008 19:31 GMT
Will do, thanks. GRW.

> Date: 8/6/2008 2:25 PM, Author: :
> > I have a 90 Mitsubishi Eclipse - I think that's the same car as Ford Focus(?).   With 2 people riding or any kind of weight in the back it bottoms out.  Other than replacing the springs, are there any other ways to keep this from happening?  I have heard about putting spacers in the springs, but some folks say that makes the ride too hard.
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> It is possible that the springs have weakened over time but worn out shocks is
> more likely.
 
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